Nishi Drew: Kudos for doing something different, making an interesting design with what looks like a nice grip. It's on the crazy and weird side, and yes it's super expensive too. But what bothers me is the NEX mount... srsly wat? The NEX cameras are great in every way except the underwhelming performance of the lenses, unless one adapts legacy lenses to this thing it's certainly not worth what it's trying to be.
Some of the NEX lenses are very good. Fully agree on the "crazy and weird" bit.
I just wish they had been able to retain the dimensions of the M3,2,4, 6 or MP. They already added some fat on the M7, back when. Then much more fat on M8-9. I had the M8 and M9, and still have a M6. It is only millimeters and grams here and there, but there is a world between the handling of a M6 and the handling of the M9. I grew to hate the M9, partly for that reason: it tried to look like my lean and mean M6, but handled like a brik. The new M is even thicker and even heavier than the M9. Still disguised as a Leica M, but is a whole different beast. Bloated. I wish them well but this one makes me sad.
iudex: Like everything in life this lens can be viewed at from different sides: on one hand it is a welcome addition to poor Nikon 1 lens offer, both the speed and the standard focal lens are fine and make it the best lens choice for the 1 system. On the other hand, taking into account tha latest releases in CSC segment, Nikon 1 with it´s tiny 1" sensor seems even more funny and cannot be taken as a serious camera (especially when the prices are similar to much larger-sensored CSCs). And adding a first serious lens after the second generation (J2) was introduced seems a bit late. However I would still not erite the Nikon 1 off, with some price drop and some new lenses it may still be an interesting alternative to enthusiast compacts like LX7, EX2 or X10.
The whole debate, and associated negativity, around Nikon 1 format/range is quite odd to me. It is what it is and does quite a few things very well. I find it better than anything else that I have tried with that type of footprint in terms of reactivity, speed and AF performance. It is really cool in terms of "capturing the moment", especially when things are moving around. The 1" sensor performs really well, and the increased DoF is a blessing in many cases. It is a great step up from "compact" sensors, not a replacement for FF, APS or even m4/3. It is also a fantastic focal length "mutiplier", bringing very good quality for angles of view that were only achievable with super expensive or superbad tele alternatives, especially when you bolt on Nikkor AFS lenses/zooms: the 100mmm f2.8 VR macro becomes an extremely good 270mm f2.8 VR macro for example!Inversely there is low capability on the WA side. The interfaces, etc, could be improved. But the system is far from a dud overall.
JacquesBalthazar: I agree with others this is going to be a hard sell, as both Nikon and Canon have really excellent AF alternatives at that same focal length and aperture.
CZ's 100mm f2 Makro-Planar is more unique, and makes more sense.
But I do not agree that manual focus is that difficult even with current high res DSLRs. Would be better with a proper ground glass screen, but it is not that hard, and, in Nikon's case anyway, the electronic rangefinder is not as useless as some seem to think. A bit quirky, but there are "tricks". I do not find I need Liveview for conistent focus.
Indeed, peaking is the new ground glass! Unfortunately I do not get along with EVFs for a bunch of other reasons....
I agree with others this is going to be a hard sell, as both Nikon and Canon have really excellent AF alternatives at that same focal length and aperture.
Unclear to me: are ALL AF improvements of the XE-1 also delivered by v2 of XP1 firmware, or are there other differences (hardware or otherwise) to the XE-1 that would further increase its AF performance ("X-E1 uses a new autofocus algorithm and different sensor drive mode") ?
When I buy stuff, I look at the price/performance ratio like everyone else, and price is important. But I try and add another dimension to the value equation, and put a high weight on the sustainability/CSR side of things. I am prepared to pay a higher price for items that carry brands that belong to companies who have a publicised policy on those matters. That includes production conditions, fair employment, sourcing policies, environmental impact, etc.
I try and avoid giving my money, directly or indirectly, to sweatshops and environmentally irresponsible producers.
Nikon has a CSR policy. The Nikon point of view is here:
I tried to find information on Pixel's supply chain and CSR policies, and found nothing. They might be a good outfit (their management is proud of their production lines) or they might be pirates, I do not know at all, but if I purchase a grip for my D800, I'll buy it from Nikon, partly for that reason.
Pootle2: I don't understand the hate... this is THE best value camera if you have kids. The speed of focusing and shooting is amazing.
I just wish the pancake lense was more compact so that the camera could be a bit more pocketable and that we had some F2-ish lenses.
I like the Nikon 1 format and the system. It is a great compromise bringing together features that you cannot find together elesewhere. It will not be an alternative "do-it-all" system for keen photographers, as bigger sensor ILCs try to be, but complements a Nikon FF or APS system really well. As it is a very small package with great IQ and a long native reach (the 30-110 lens) I have been able to use it for concert shoots for example, without any hassle with organisers or fellow watchers (tks to V1 EVF), and am delighted by results. It also brings tremendous low cost/high quality extra reach for Nikon users who own long glass. It is fast in operation. Very snappy. So, for Nikon DSLR users, it does have its advantages and a place in gear bags. It is weak on the wide end though (nothing wider than 28mm eq) and has no native fast lenses. For pure amateurs who want to go beyond P&S without "drowning" in "scary" systems, it works very well. J2 is a bit of a yawn though.
marike6: The Pentax K-30 just received a "Highly Recommended" from ePhotozine today.And they don't once mention the Lumix G3 or any other ILC preferring to not compare oranges to apples as this review does liberally and somewhat puzzlingly.
Agree with panilopez: this is about OVF vs EVF mainly. A bit about phase detect AF vs contrast detect AF as well. But from the point of view of a user looking at improving the quality of his/her pictures vault, both architectures offer a viable path. I find it therefore perfectly ok to compare the 3200 to the MiLCs from the IQ and performance point of views, as they provide very similar services.
Personally, after genuinely trying to move to an EVF-based system (nex7), I am now completely convinced I am an OVF guy. EVF causes me too much grief, due to my vision, the complex corrections I require, and the type of glasses and sunglasses i wear, which interfere with sensors and reduce ability to see the scene on sunny days.
Based on that fundamentalI design preference, if I was restarting this costly journey from scratch now, the 3200 would certainly be in my short list even after reading the DPR review. It is a pretty fair review.
Katsunami: I can perfectly understand why Voigtländer makes M-mount lenses: they are noticably cheaper than Leica and Zeiss with (most of) their offerings, and they've got stuff that both of the other two don't have, such as a 50mm f/1.1 for €975, a, 12mm f/5.6 and a 15mm f/4.5.... if you want that stuff, Voigtländer is the only choice.
But why would someone want a manual focus 28mm f/2.8 for DSLR's from Voigtländer? It's just nothing special. It's 28mm. It's f/2.8. It has no AF. While people talk about a Zeiss or Leica "look", I've never heard them talk about Voigtländer; not much anyway. That's the brand you buy if you want one of their special lenses such as the 15mm, or don't have enough money (or don't want to spend it) to buy Zeiss or Leica.
Where Voigtländer is a "special" brand with cool and/or cheap(er) stuff for M-camera's, they don't add anything extra, better, or special to DSLR's, IMHO.
Could be that I'm missing something of course.
Cosina design and manufacture very cool lenses. They use the Voigtlander brand for their own in house designs, and there are real gems in there. The range is great for users who like traditional build and manual focus in small sizes, coupled with current electronic interface. This gives complete EXIF information to Nikon users for example, something not provided by Nikkor AIS lenses. Each of the Voigtlander lenses provides a wonderful combination of optical quality, small size, great build and affordable price. I own the 20mm, the 40mm and the 58mm in Nikon mount, and will probably purchase this 28mm, and the 75mm when it comes out. They are as much at ease on the D800 as they are on a FM2 or a FM10 or a FA. I am immensely grateful to Cosina for catering to this niche, and, yes, I would be just as happy having a proud Cosina logo on those lenses rather than the Germanic ghost of Voigtlander.
Best review yet of the amazing duo. I ended up with the D800 because that is what was available in the shop the day I stepped in. Had it been the "e", I would have purchased the "e", just to generate that feeling that there is no way of getting more detail in any given shot, all other circumstances remaining equal. But then, I would have also generated a constant FUD regarding moiré, false colours, etc, that would have ended up in pixel peeping sessions and fastidious slider tweaking "just to be sure". Coz that is the way I am, and probably quite a few others as well.
So, at the end, with the D800, unless I print at maximum size for a gallery exhibition with "e" owners or pixel peep in comparative sessions with a "e" body, I know I will have an absolutely marvelous result when I do things right.
Regrading ease of use: I've learned many things since packing that D800, by the way. One of them is that it can also be used as the ultimate point & shoot.
Am I the only one to think apps such as these are making so called "creative photography" increasingly easy, trivial, gimmicky, lazy, boring, repetitive and ultimately irrelevant?
At least PS and the like require some training and knowledge, and benefit from an understanding of the mechanics of photography. But the new generation of apps are too brilliant for our own good.
Basically, within 6 months from now, nobody will raise an eyebrow for any similar output, and, unless you live on a desert island with no Internet, the only reaction facing a "creative" image will be to yawn and deride the Snapspeed filter that was used. Even if the picture is in fact truly a 19th century wet plate print or a 40s Kodachrome slide retrieved from a sunken ship or the outcome of a complex experiment at sophisticated cross processing.
I might be overly elitist, but the only way forward for meaningful photography might be in going back to the basics.
Looks good. I am surprised and happy with the "return of the prime", across all brands. For quite a few years,if not a couple decades, zooms had taken over and seemed to be squeezing primes out of the game. The current trend shows that new generations of users have driven the market full circle, and brands are developing great new propositions on the primes front. Both "high end" like this one, or the CZ for NEX or the new f1.4 range for Nikon. And "affordable" like the new f1.8 range from Nikon or the 50mm for NEX. Pentax is not alone anymore. The Oly primes are cute and tempting. Not so sure about the whole chrome/pseudo vintage trip though. I' d buy this one if I was a m4/3 user. Good focal length for outdoor portraits and low light events photography (jazz or rock concerts, individuals in crowd portraits at weddings and large parties, etc).
photo perzon: The X1 has many advantages over the Fuji X100:-better colors-Leica "pop" 3D effect-no distortion -much more accurate focus-30% lighter and 30% smaller-Steve Huff wrote 5 articles comparing the X100 and the X1.
It is a different camera. My only problem is the LCD resolution, it begs the question...how can they justify that?
Aww... What an anti-climax on this one. Basically, the body is a Sony NEX5n in retro garb (with nice "analog" control dials), without the great video, without manual focus aids, without a proper LCD and without the functionality gadgets.. Or a wildly under-speced Fuji X100 with a 16MP sensor. The lens is more than a full stop slower (but much smaller) than Nex's CZ 24, with absolutely no quality advantage and no near macro focus (30cm at that FL is not "macro"). I loved the X1 design though, and owned one, and this is the same but "uglied" by that additional slab beneath the flash mount to accommodate ugly EVF. Good that they upgraded AF a bit and stiffened up the dials and flash.The price hike is absolutely unjustifiable though. Still, apart from the X100, it remains the only really compact APS option with a 35 equiv focal length. If Sony or Sigma produced a f2.8 24mm "pancake" for Nex, or if Ricoh launched a A16/35 GXR module, this X2 would have absolutely zero justification.
After reading this thread, it seems clear that the M9 still benefits from the aura of last century's "golden age", and people believe in sweet lies such as "it will keep its value" or "CCD obviously beats CMOS".
The only things that keep their value for Leica these days are binoculars, the lenses, and the film bodies. The M8's resale value is bad and getting worse each day, and the M9's is on the brink depending if Leica announce the M10 on Thursday or in September. Very soon a second hand M8 will be worth less than a standard 1956 M3, and the M9 will trade at M6 prices. A current film body such as the MP is likely to keep its value in the long term.
That will be the ultimate proof of the pudding. The M9 sensor just sucks in 2012. it was already borderline in 2009. The superb body is becoming a "vintage" toy, for those who crave a bit of RF experience. In good light, it'll be fine.
I prefer to grab my M6 and a roll of film when I get that nostalgic itch....
I have been using Ms since the early Nineties (M6), and l lusted for one for 15 years before that. It was really "outdated" at the time. Objectively, the Leica M was seen by many as "outdated" already in the Sixties... So you either look at it that way, or accept that the M's concept is in a place and time of its own. I accept that. The big problem with the M these days is not its "outdated" core design, as that design (optical rangefinder, mechanical precision, modus operandi) is precisely why people love it, but the big problem is the sensor.
In the film days, the M's excellence was upgraded every time Kodak, Fuji or Agfa came out with a new film. From the Tri-X of the early days to the Velvia or Portra of the end of the millennium, things just got better and better, even if you were using a 1956 M3.
In this century, the M's superb construction and wonderful mechano-optical engineering is plain overkill in view of sensor obsolescence.
marike6: A Silver Award for the Canon G1X and nothing for the Nikon V1, with it's revolutionary features like Phase-Detect AF on the sensor and high fps, and much better manual video mode and viewfinder? Puzzling indeed.
Agreed marike6. DPR's review of Nikon 1 missed the point. The V1 with kit zoom(s) gives the G1X a run for its money at so many levels ( speed of use, video, AF, EVF, etc). On the IQ front, the Nikon 1 is in fact very good and the results contradict dominant assumptions on sensor size. It is likely that the G1X will allow larger prints at 3200 ISO and above, but for 90% of real life situations, the V1 is probably a better proposition. One day there will be f1.4 native lenses for V1. That is impossible for G1x. For those reasons, I also disagree with DPR's rating in both cases.
I quite like the looks. in yellow of course. In choosing 100% compatibility with the K bayonet, Pentax is forced to produce a body as thick as a DSLR, as the dsitance from flange to sensor is a given. That precludes from the compacity advantage usually brought by the mirrorless idea.
So this K-01 variation on the idea is pretty cool I think, in the way it turns the constraints into an unconventional modern design. But am not sure the idea itself of a K-mount mirrorless has real mileage to it.
Add an EVF, and you have the volume/weight of a K-r or K5.