tongki: Maybe information is not correct,But Sony acquire Zeiss and Minolta, right ?Zeiss lenses and Minolta with G series lensesSo, the new G master is adopted from Minolta technology ?
Sony never acquired Zeiss. There are complex arrangements between Sony and Zeiss regarding the production and branding of some E, FE and A mount lenses.
Sony acquired the Minolta SLR legacy when Konica-Minolta abandonned the photography market back in 2006. The A-mount was created by Minolta in 1985.
These sure look sweet, in design as well as specifications! They do beg for a larger flagship FE body, designed to balance with such lenses, with better ergonomics than the A7II line (I just hate the haptics of those cameras anyway).
These G lenses would make Minolta proud... :-)
It is also interesting to note that, in the FE world, the Zeiss brand suddenly becomes a "mid-range" option from a price perspective. Shows a lot of confidence from Sony !
If I were starting from scratch, I'd seriously consider FE now....
Digitalis32: The fact that so much controversy has been sparked over digital alteration of this image shows how far photography has evolved over they decades = not at all.
Is correcting a slanted horizon in PP manipulation: yesIs correcting a lenses distortion and CA manipulation: yes, it wouldn't be there at all if lens designers were doing their job properly.
Puritanism has no place with digital photography, go back to wet collodion.
One could argue that the ease of digital manipulation completely destroyed the credibility of photography as a means of capturing an objective "slice" of reality.
That said, manipulation exists ever since photography was invented. Even wet plate collodion allows a small degree of darkroom manipulation.
I liked the old photjournalism process of joining the full contact sheet of a complete roll of negatives to the proposed enlargement, or the requirement to work with slides only.
I guess the equivalent now is to join the RAW file, and let the editor make the judgement calls, according to published criteria.
Yep, more Leica III than Olympus Pen F. More forties than sixties. Silhouette looks great, but some of the detail finish maybe not where it wanted to be. In particular, horrid fonts on PASM dial. Wonder if it gives the same "hollow" feeling as the X100? It looks heftier, which would be nice. There is nonetheless something a bit sad with this retro quest in the sense that it indicates more appetite for nostalgia than for bold innovation (in design). The original Pen F was sleek. The XA was creative. Interesting that Leica designers appear to be more innovative than the others at the moment: Leica T, Leica SL, Leica S....
JacquesBalthazar: Tempting! Deserves weather resistant and upgraded AF versions of the original set of primes, launched for XP1. Modernised 23mm in particular.
Agree on greatness and agree a f2 WR would be welcome. It would not optically hurt the original to be weatherproofed and gain faster AF motors though...Same for 60 macro, etc.
Tempting! Deserves weather resistant and upgraded AF versions of the original set of primes, launched for XP1. Modernised 23mm in particular.
Best wishes to all of you!
Pity it does not behave as an extension to Apple Photo.
Nice! Now WR for 23mm and 56mm WR or 60mm macro WR and the "rainy day" line-up is complete. Nice to be able to have this one in the small bag with the 16mm WR and 90m WR, or to be able to go out bagless, with just 35 WR and XT1 all through the Belgian winter without a worry. This is going to be fun, and something I cannot do as easily with any other system in my collection. Thank you Fuji!
Mark Alan Thomas: The threatened Leica haters squatting in this thread might (not) be interested in the size comparison photos posted to leicarumors.com. This camera is smaller than most DSLRs, and is priced about the same as the pro DSLR models it was designed to compete with: the Nikon D4 and the Canon 1Dx (and is actually a lot smaller than them).
The contrast detection autofocus of the SL will very likely not compete with D4s (or any current pro or semi-pro DSLR) in terms of reactivity, abilities in low light, tracking power, etc. Battery autonomy, flash system, native AF lenses, ergonomics, etc also make this irrelevant. Beyond D4 comparisons, lets compare to D750 or the bigger D810. Even at that level it does not compete. No, seriously, that SL and its native lenses look like the biggest mistake ever committed by Leica, and it will cost them dearly. The Q raised hopes, the M240 has charm, the S is great, but this.... Body size/weight is fine, it is the overall design and native lens ecosystem that is bonkers. That 24-90 is just nuts. This from a Leica fan, sadly (current M6, ex-R8, M8, M9, X1).
Nice! Would be interesting to compare the Milvus 21mm with this one on a A7IIR. The Milvus has a more complex optical design and is much bigger and heavier (and costlier). If it does not outperform the Loxia, that will again say something about the mirrorless advantage. For manual focus lenses anyway. Did anyone compare the Loxia 35mm with its ZF2/Milvus cousin in such a setup?
JacquesBalthazar: Beautiful updating of the ZF/ZE line, but wonder why they did not migrate the whole line and what is the point of maintaining a reduced Classic line?
Anyway, the new design and finish are more than tempting.
The only downside is weight increase. They all weigh more than their already heavy "Classic" counterparts.
The 2 new optical designs in particular are Otus BIG. I cannot imagine carrying that weight for such focal lengths, even for Otus-like quality, but that is just me and my screwed up back.
Pity, as I was kind of hoping for a 85mm update with same overall weight/size as the now "Classic"....
@Francis Carver: the zf2 line is mostly OK weight wise, though I would not want heavier at those focal lengths. The Otus doubled size and weight, and, outside of price, that makes a discouraging difference. The 2 new Milvus designs jump up by the same order of magnitude. This makes them much less attractive as part of a standard travel or day out gear bag for anyone, and especially for people like me who deal with arthritis. I also wonder why the other Milvus lenses, which are optically identical to their Classic versions, should weigh more than those. I have no intention of not using Zeiss lenses anymore, but will very likely pass on the new 50 and 85 f1.4. Otherwise, the new Milvus build looks superb. The weatherproofing is a major step forward.
Beautiful updating of the ZF/ZE line, but wonder why they did not migrate the whole line and what is the point of maintaining a reduced Classic line?
Just looked closely in real life, and there is indeed a yummy effect.
But I was surprised by the size. This thing is substantially bigger than a M6 with 28mm cron, except in width by a few mm. It is comparable in volume(marginally smaller) to a current M with 28mm 'cron. The lens itself is much bigger than its 'cron cousin. The Q feels also heavier than expected.
Not saying these are defects, but runs against expectations of "compact".
To an extent it reminds me of something like a Yashica Electro 35, much more than something like a Leica Minilux or even a CL/Minolta CLE.
Well done to team Sony! Lovely to have some good news from what feels like a free falling photography market. Seems that innovation can pay off after all....
Pandimonium: The compact lens advantage on mirrorless seems to disappear above 35mm.
in "Tele-territory you're better off with a DSLR that lets you hold the camera comfortably" : that is true. If I purchase that 90mm, I am pretty sure I'll want one of the grips for the XT1 to gain better leverage/balance. Like having the MD12 motor on a FM + 180mm in the old days.
TN Args: ..... (sucks teeth).... Canon 85mm f/1.8 weighs 425g (not 550g) and costs $350 (not $950).... and is a darned fine lens....
@halfwaythere: "I guess you never shot a full body with a 135mm lens because you would know that you get all the dof you want while the background fades away."
Again I do not understand this. I use a Df and 135 routinely, and I love the output, the build and ergonomics. I do not love the weight. And sometimes, I'd like AF without sacrificing optical quality or other ergonomics (aperture ring, easy access to manual focus, minimum focusing distance, build quality).
I know by experience that, in imaging terms, I will benefit from the additional DoF provided by APS+90mm @f2 for this lens's main application (portrait at medium distance) without loosing anything substantial in the ability to keep background out of focus.
The design of this new lens gives us high hopes for optical quality close to the stellar Zeiss 135mm (sharpness, contrast, bokeh, etc). That is my expectation anyway. We'll see when we can get our hands on it!
JacquesBalthazar: It will be interesting to compare real life images from XT1 + this 90mm against something like the Nikon Df + Zeiss 135mm f2. Both are 16MP, so comparison can be pretty straightforward.
Construction/design point to potentially a very high performer, very solid, also mostly metal, but with great AF and weather resistance. Even closer focus than Zeiss.
The Zeiss 135 is a stellar perfomer as we know, but a bit fiddly to deploy due to MF and weight.
At almost half weight and half cost, this Fuji is truly appetising! Hope it delivers to that level of expectation!
"That's why a relatively cheap APS body with a cheap 85/1.8 lens will get you similar results as this lens on a Fuji X body": yes, I agree. But not the same experience. I like the XT1 (and the Df) as much as I like my FM3A.
@halfwaythere : yes, you are right, APS DSLR bring similar weight advantages to XT1 & c°. However, compare XT1 with D5500 and similar on fit, finish, ergonomics, depth from back to flange, etc, and you will recognise they are playing on different fields. Compare the build, finish and ergonomics of any of the G f1.8 primes with their Fuji counterparts, and again you'll recognise we are looking at very different beasts. I feel that the build quality/look & feel of the high end Fuji primes are in broadly the same league as the Zeiss or the old Nikkor AI, and miles ahead of the equivalent Gs. I will compare the XT1+90mm against my Df+135CZ with very high hopes! ;-)