shahid11235: I don't understand Canon's logic. There's no major improvement of sensor performance for last several years. Lenses are overpriced. 6D is another disappointment. What are they thinking themselves? Successor of Leica?
@photo nuts: do you have evidence for MS decline (no bs, please, only "hard" economic analysis; I am really curious)?Cheers! :)
Hmmm, now it's pretty clear (for me): Sony will indeed spend a colossal amount of money just to show that they "deserve" the first place, that they are THE photo (=imaging) company. It will not matter at all that they are unable to build lenses, printers, a comprehensive camera system etc. The consumers will help a lot, and I think they will succeed, rather sooner than later. They are so frustrated that once upon a time there was the Walkman and later there was an iPod but it was not theirs, so they think that maybe the photo ground will bring them the label for being THE innovative company back. Canon & Nikon (to a lesser extent) are just two boulders blocking the way... Cheers! :)
smileblog: a Super 35-sized sensor, 16-bit Raw recording, 4K with "a global shutter"? really?
Oh.. Canon era has finished. I thought it just started.
Where is 1D C?
@Edmond: I agree! Cheers! :)
ClearGlass: Making the switch over to Canon is becoming more appealing with every new product release. Nikon has completely lost its way. It's sad to see a company previously known for their quality, and for correctly reading the market, to fall so far down the ladder, very sad indeed.
@marike6: so your buying decision is dictated by DxO? Incredibly, DPR has just given the same score to the 5DIII (which btw I own and it is indeed a formidable camera, and I suspect that for the guys that earn their living with it the 1D X is even more) and to the D800. What now, you don't trust DPR more than DxO? Cheers! :) / ;)
dark goob: Goodbye Canon. It was nice to know you.
Hammer. Officially. Thrown. Down.
Good. So Canon is now an opponent for Sony in the Super 35 area, woooow! Now: please take another look to that picture - not that "compact" the "gear" you see, not that easy to glue it to a yellow cab in a small box, let's say like one EOS 1 C might be able to just fit in, right? So good luck, when you will shoot Avengers II just take that into consideration... Cheers! :) P. S.: Canon = newcomers "here" - they will either decide to invest and crush Sony (even through an alliance with some Hi-tech consumer electronics folks) or just close the "cine" business; my take: let's wait for round two; Sony = the pro in the arena, they have now the tech edge AND a good price. Or maybe I'm just wrong...
photogeek: If it's anywhere near as good (not to mention better) as Canon's f/4 (which I owned, years ago in non-IS incarnation), the lens will be a hit. I'd rather have a 70-200 that I won't hesitate to put into my backpack instead of the one which doubles as an exercise weight.
2007 is not that far away. On the other hand for the 70-200 range the f/2.8 L USM IS II has no equivalent on Earth. So Nikon has work to do. Cheers! :)
That indeed will be interesting to see. I am really curious if they (Nikon) managed to beat the f/4 L IS USM. If yes, big BRAVO (I own both the f/4 L USM IS & f/2.8 L USM IS II and those are incredible lenses indeed)! Funny thing, (at least some) "Nikon users"" desire this 70-200 f/4, and (at least some) "Canon users" (including me) desire the 14-24 f/2.8G ED from Nikon... that I consier to be an incredible lens. Cheers! :)
SMV78: Translation: "Please, wait, don't buy a D800"
Wow, you are so right. And now, tadaaa, (my) patience has paid off. Anyway, someone in the Canon marketing department is very dumb or very "short sighted" - when these "head to head" features are part of your competitive advantage against the (arguably) your biggest rival, you must have all of them ready at product launch time, all "on top offs" must come later, and not the viceversa... But now what, is D800 a "better" camera? Of course not. The rest is "public" (forums included) perception. Cheers! :)
Zerg2905: Ta-daaa, and now, I will transform myself into a Canon "fanboy" (Canon "fangirls", please don't hesitate to join me! :) ), and say: EISA awarded Nikon's D4 only real "plus" vs the Canon 1D X was just lost. Cheers!
Sorry, Rocker44... And please remember the third Harvard surviving rule: "Don't take yourself too seriously". Because I do.
Ta-daaa, and now, I will transform myself into a Canon "fanboy" (Canon "fangirls", please don't hesitate to join me! :) ), and say: EISA awarded Nikon's D4 only real "plus" vs the Canon 1D X was just lost. Cheers!
lancespring: It is true. Sony has shown more innovation in the past couple of years than Canon and Nikon have in the last decade.
Civil aviation industry example: Boeing and Airbus (Aka Canon & Nikon) - will you fly as a passenger in a "disruptive technology-based airplane" (Sony) that had no time to pass the "reliability" test? Good luck with that then & Cheers! :)
Corporate talk, COO level. Or CEO level. Or ELT equivalent. All the same. Don't know about you, but I still enjoy my BluRay movies on my 21:9 Philips TV (ooops, the big TV maker Sony did not invented that, right, because "it was not commercially viable".... It was not, but it was really "disruptive"). As I am still happy with my Canon AE-1, my Voigtlander R3A, and my rock solid EOS DSLRs. But Sony shareholders have to hear the right words, right? Cheers! :)
MisterMouse: I wonder why it lasts that long to test this amazing camera. Was Nikon so clever to build a gap at your schedules? ;-) Meanwhile we hear different things about AF, about the diff. of 2MP between D4 and 1Dx, about the necessity of video etc. but nothing from dp... it's a pity
... and there is the burning question why it is not possible to include GPS (my iPhone has it since 'decades') and no WiFi (nearly every smartphone has it...) in a camera at about 6T€ ... well I think we could give the answer by ourselves .. we will get it with the 1Dx Mk II ... and have to pay 7T€ !?
GPS: Because of the 100% magnesium alloy housing. And indeed: where is the 1DX review? Come on dpr, it is on the market now! Cheers! :)
Zerg2905: At 1800 USD, this will be a nice camera, with AF (if proven that is "limited") as an "oddity". Thing is, the difference between this and the 5DIII is big. And I spent my last 3 months examining the pros and cons of the 5DIII: guess what - Canon did it right with that one, no matter what Nikon or any other brand fans might say. The price is high, but let's wait a bit - maybe the 6D will help here. Now, regarding Canon marketing fluff: I always believed that weather sealing on any model except 1D series was just fluff, and that Nikon was indeed the soviet tank in the room. I was wrong. Last Friday, on a mountain trip, I have experienced my worst sudden Autumn rain so far (thick, like a water curtain). The 7D and the attached 24-70 f/2.8 Mk I experienced 4 Km (on foot) under this rain. In the camp the 7D was pouring water. Both camera and lens survived. Folks, this is for real. And I am still not believe it. Canon, tough?! Cheers! :)
Because, my good Sir, the jacket I borrowed was given back to a lady... This is what you should do in similar circumstances - protect humans first. Btw, not only the 7D was pouring water, I was pouring water too... Moreover: YOU MUST KNOW THE LIMITS OF YOUR EQUIPMENT. AND, TO ME, THIS WAS THE BEST TEST EVER!!! Even if I realized that I did a somewhat stupid thing with potential (disastrous) financial consequences... I am not nuts. I have learned something. I also own a 5DII and i will never try this with that camera (I have a gut feeling that it will not survive), and I also own an EOS 3 and I will give it a try... We'll see... I am also very tempted now to buy a 1DX to see what the monster is capable of... Cheers! :)
Sad Joe: Nikon D600 down to £1775 already - kinda makes £1800 for an under speced Canon 6D seem expensive for some reason. And its on sale TODAY.
Then you should buy one D600 - NOW! Cheers! :)
hiipolarbear: TQ Sergey Borachev for sharing the linkhttp://mansurovs.com/nikon-d600-vs-canon-6d
This brief "on paper comparison" sums up well for the reaction of some Canon users like me in how should i move on my business since Canon might not care about me anymore.
Why would I say so? to be honest, I'm a videographer and invested about USD30k on Canon products since the birth of 5D2. After a long 3 years wait, Canon disappoints me (don't yell, it was video make 5DII a big hit, not the photo).
With all the marketing praise of C300, 1D4, 5D3, C500, C100, EOS-M, EOS-C... sometime walking on the moon, sometime monkey circle show, then now 6D, it is enough. Canon, I will move on. even I have get used to the workflow tolerated for 5D2, even Canon lenses aren't friendly to other mounts.
I'm not mourning or negative on Canon, after all, it is just a tool, but human scares of change, scares of intro N-, S- or P- cam into C-workflow, scares of rip off old investment. Goodbye Canon, I move on.
Bravo, as long as you do not consider the 5DII also a big hit for the photo quality, no more comments and no worries - you will be fine elsewhere. Cheers! :)
Just got the price (VAT included) from a local retailer: 2020 EUR (with 40 f/2.8 STM included). Not "that bad" for one that might consider it as "my first FF kit". Cheers! :)
(I am reconsidering one of my previous statements): 100% Depleted uranium case + NBC attack proof = Hasselblad Terminator TEX7. I got it: they just have to change the product name and the product will suddenly be very attractive. They should also make a promotional movie: "TEX7 Part One - Rise of the Idiotic Machinery". Cheers...
_sem_: They've got competition!http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/09/product-announcement-lensrentals-looney
Formidable joke indeed. Cheers! :) :) :)
It will make sense if: they make a 100% depleted uranium case and if they make the camera NBC attack proof. Sort of "doomsday camera". The "Terminator TX" of all cameras. Cheers...