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Zerg2905
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Dynamic Steve: The 5D MkII is very good, but it has a few areas where it could be improved; pixel dimension is really not one of them. We burn through 2TB drives like crazy as it is. If I can regularly generate images big enough to go on massive trade-show panels with the 5D MkII, then what exactly is it that people expect to do with any more pixels. Once you get to a certain point, if it's sharp and clear it will stay that way. If you can see someones eyelashes in an image, then sensibly sampled-up it will look fine on the side of an office block if necessary. Trying to crop a good shot out of a (big) bad one is not only very difficult but is really missing the point by a country mile.
Nikon's R& D base is quite tiny compared to the massive Canon empire, with convergent technologies from both electronics and optics. So Canon could certainly could have added more pixels to their sensor - you need to ask yourself why they didn't.
I look forward to seeing tests from Dpreview - do we know when?
@JadedGamer: this will not happen soon. Because when Mr. Mitarai (Fujio) plays golf with Mr. Kimura (Makoto), they are "winning" for Japan, and not for themselves. The two giants will overcome each other alternatively, over and over again. Not sure about Mr. Hirai...
johnKFC: Thanks to Canon who is so considerate for users. They save 5D MK II user's money to upgrade to Mark III, at least mine.
@Anastigmat: that was indeed a good one. I concur. But it is the industry that did this. And when marketing gets "experimental" (e.g.: let's NOT increase the lovely MPs, but focus instead on some other KPIs), (some) people get upset. My take: yes, I would love to have 46 Mp Canon 5DX, but I know that this will just be me entering in the mkt game (unless they will change the laws of physics and produce clean images @ISO > 202k & 46 Mp full res). Again: 5D III is superb. I wish it had been invented 3 years ago when I've purchased my 5D II. Cheers!
photopapa: I am so disappointed in this camera. It is $1000 too expensive, and about 15 mp too shy. Now, what? I have been a canon fan for 20+ years. To switch of Nikon or just wait for a better camera? I feel Canon has left the photographers behind in favor of videographers. Too bad.
Mr. Hertz, I concur. Heavy game these days, no matter what.
photopapa: I am so disappointed in this camera. It is $1000 too expensive, and about 15 mp too shy. Now, what? I have been a canon fan for 20+ years. To switch of Nikon or just wait for a better camera? I feel Canon has left the photographers behind in favor of videographers. Too bad.
Mr. Carver, do you know the story of Audi vs Volkswagen vs Skoda (believe me this is not off topic)? Just a hint: which one is "better" -and eventually why-, in your opinion? You surely know about the "perceived value" of an item, right? Facts vs perception... P.S. (solution): New Skoda Superb has beaten after launch all (comparable) Audi and VW brothers at ("street", not the silly 3500 EUR as shown today) price point / perceived value, and these results were provided by some Germans (that made the VW boss very angry)! And the new Skoda Superb only has 22 MP when compared with, let's say, an A6... P.P.S: I'm exagerating, but just a bit, hoping you will easily get my idea. :) :) :)
sdyue: Seriously, i waited about 80 minutes just to see all the predictable goons come out (let's see how many?)
Folks (alxdava & DioCanon), you are all cool. I'm a goon. And because of that, I will stop posting on this topic - you are too intelligent and also too polite for me.
sdyue: Seriously, i waited about 80 minutes just to see all the predictable goons come out (let's see how many?)
I'm a "goon" that owns an AE-1, an EOS-3, a 7D and a 5D Mk II. And a bag of L lenses. I like Canon, but , you know, the best friend is the one who tells you upfront where he/she thinks you messed up, not just how beautiful you are each and every day. I think you should apologize in the front of all the "goons" and please stop using such "terminology" on this site.
Chev Chelios: Anyone know whether it will let you spot meter off a selected AF point??
All I can find is the marketing guff about the "63-zone Dual-Layer sensor linked to each point of the AF system" but no word whether spot metering can be moved off of the centre point.
Call me crazy, but it looks more like an EOS-3 to me... That camera was (and is) inspirational.
Zerg2905: Canon is the company that has the best engineers but also the worst marketing people. 5DMkIII is superb but it should have been complemented with a "5D X" with 40 Mp+ so that Nikon (or Sony) would have been grounded big time (I think "silenced" is the word). One more: 5D Mk II was affordable. 5D Mk III is not that affordable. And if an hypothetical 5D X will be even more expensive, this will only redirect people (especially the neofites or the ones with small Canon lens investment) towards Nikon. My take (again): bravo to the Canon ENG crowd that made this camera possible, shame to Canon's MKT crowd for their lack of vision. Cheers! P.S.: Canon Marketing people, if you read this you should do a market research - maybe you will find out that I am right (especially after Nikon D800 launch).
Hopefully for them, yes. But there is a difference between "big" and "great". And again, for a "sane" mind 5D Mk III seen alone is superb. But it's no longer alone, right?
Canon is the company that has the best engineers but also the worst marketing people. 5DMkIII is superb but it should have been complemented with a "5D X" with 40 Mp+ so that Nikon (or Sony) would have been grounded big time (I think "silenced" is the word). One more: 5D Mk II was affordable. 5D Mk III is not that affordable. And if an hypothetical 5D X will be even more expensive, this will only redirect people (especially the neofites or the ones with small Canon lens investment) towards Nikon. My take (again): bravo to the Canon ENG crowd that made this camera possible, shame to Canon's MKT crowd for their lack of vision. Cheers! P.S.: Canon Marketing people, if you read this you should do a market research - maybe you will find out that I am right (especially after Nikon D800 launch).
I will definitely trade my good ol' G10 for the G1 X. And my 5DMkII for the 5DMkIII and/or 5D X. And my 7D for the 7DMkII. And my 24-70 f/2.8 L USM for the 24-70 f/2.8 L USM II... What I cannot predict is how many years it will take... Come on folks, this is the "Koenigstiger" of the Compact World. And in my opinion it should not be compared with DSLRs, 4/3s etc etc etc. It looks it's a very good "compact" class camera, and that's all. ;)
reginalddwight: D800 = 5DMkIII killer!!!
Amazing, then please share with the group the 5DMkIII specs. Thank you.
Eleson: I kinda like the announcement war:
Canon putting out a gazzilion of compact right after Nikons big announcement, just so the Nikon will fall of the first page on webpages.
@Francis Carver & maxz: do you have the inside Canon corporate reports showing how much "desperate" they are? Do you have any (Canon) internal reliable information on the sales reports / orders? Do you consider Nikon & Sony an "alliance"? To summarize: Sony is big indeed, but Canon is 4-5 times bigger than Nikon. So, if someone is going after Canon, that is Sony, and not Nikon. And it might end up by going after Nikon. Because Nikon is the easy prey here.
One thing about the Mp "race" trendy again starting today: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/360568/canon-unveils-120-megapixel-camera-sensor
My take: dear Sony, please don't disturb Canon too much, or the lab monsters might get to the market. And we did not changed the laws of physics, yet.
Jens_G: If the 5D3 is 16-18MP and cheaper, I'm getting that.
@Jens_G & HiRez: good points; what about 24 Mp AND cheaper?In the "what if" section, I wonder how a business plan from Canon including both a 5DIII with a 24 Mp sensor / 2000$/EUR AND a 5DX with 50 Mp super-sensor (that we know it's already available) and 3500 k$/EUR will look like - will this be profitable enough for Canon? I think the dual release strategy might have an immediate benefit. And it can give a choice in the same brand, too. :)
marike6: If the video is similar to the D4 samples I've seen, I might have to have a sit down with my 5D Mk II as I've always preferred Nikon's tank-like bodies and viewfinders. The Canon lenses are great, but Nikkors have been reaching sick levels of quality in the last few years with the 14-24, 70-200, the f1.4 G Primes, et al.
The D800 is also a decent price relative to their other pro bodies.
@idlecynic: Sir, there are hundreds of reviews regarding the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS USM II, too... But I have a suggestion, as "brand loyalty" is a serious matter: folks, establish a clear set of criteria in order to compare one brand with another (e.g.: company size, number of items -bodies & lenses- produced/sold, number of "best of" in each camp, R&D "capability" etc). One last thing: I wonder how the market will react when Canon will put that 24X36 50 Mp sensor in a 5D (or whatever) - like body, whaaa... this is getting silly.
marike6: If the video is similar to the D4 samples I've seen, I might have to have a sit down with my 5D Mk II as I've always preferred Nikon's tank-like bodies and viewfinders. The Canon lenses are great, but Nikkors have been reaching sick levels of quality in the last few years with the 14-24, 70-200, the f1.4 G Primes, et al.
The D800 is also a decent price relative to their other pro bodies.
@nicolaiecostel: Sir, the 24-70 has a rival (please check dpreview today news - we do not know the performance yet, it is true, but I will expect a serious "catch-up" vs the Nikkor version), the 14-24 not yet indeed. I am unsure about the Nikkor pricing, but I was not discussing the price, I was discussing the ultimate quality of the lens. And the crown so far is on the Canon side for 70-200s, both f/2.8 and f/4 in their IS, II, L etc versions. Also, please note that 1Ds4 was not yet invented and produced, 1D4 is as good as the D3s -again, check the reviews, dpreview included, and not my opinion-; 7D: really, oh really, do you want to compare that camera with the 7000D?!? As per the 5D2 ancient AF, I agree, but you should just ask the huge crowd of wedding photographers that found it useful, still. And so on. And about "running the game", hmmm, this is not photography, this is business, I suggest you to ask a finance analyst about the topic.
marike6: If the video is similar to the D4 samples I've seen, I might have to have a sit down with my 5D Mk II as I've always preferred Nikon's tank-like bodies and viewfinders. The Canon lenses are great, but Nikkors have been reaching sick levels of quality in the last few years with the 14-24, 70-200, the f1.4 G Primes, et al.
The D800 is also a decent price relative to their other pro bodies.
Sir, in which world the Nikkor 70-200 f/2.8 II is better than the latest 70-200 f/2.8 from Canon (that indeed has insane quality)?!? PLease read at least 5 reviews to find out. Yes, you are right about the 14-24, but there is no equivalent from Canon, yet. Next: in which world the "not yet built" Nikkor 70-200 f/4 IS USM is better than the Canon counterpart (that indeed has a sick level of quality)?!? And so on... (Canon 50 f/1.2, the T&Ss 17&24, the new 300 & 400 f/2.8 etc). Think twice, you can do amazing things whit the 5DII & available lenses. One last thing: how do you know that Nikon bodies are better? Did you used the 5DII uin snow, rain, mud etc and it failed you? Because I did, and it didn't. I am unsure about breaking bricks with the camera (regardless of the brand), but I do not think that this is the intent these cameras are built for. Cheers! P.S.: even a plastic body can be very resilient, you know...
Interesting. I will launch a crazy idea: to me, this is also a "preview" to what the new sensor on the... EOS 1D X will be capable of (I also think that a large chunk of the the secret is actually in that Digic V chip). On the other hand, I will certainly swap my ol' good G10 with this one (as side camera) whaen the G1 X will become available, because to me will be 14 Mpix small sensor with poor high ISO vs 14 Mpix large sensor with quite good high ISO (and a marginal difference in zoom) choice, quite clear. Cheers.
andersf: Looks awesome. What I don't understand is why they decided on a 4:3 sensor? 3:2 or even 16:9 would have made more sense.
Disclaimer note: I own a G10.
Now, I have noticed this quite frequently on this post:"it's ugly" - which was more beautiful, T-34 or P-IVG? Which was more "engineered"? Which one won the war?
Back in 2012: I think this G1 X is a sort of T-34 among the compact cameras... various 4:3 included. We'll see.