bronxbombers4: The reason we know the sensor gains are minimal already is that Canon didn't brag the slightest bit about improved image quality in their press releasesbut they did say "It's ALL ABOUT THE LENSES" in their press release.
Updating to a new sensor process costs money, so they will just milk the 2007 tech sensor and won't stop unless their sales completely tank. It is really starting to seem like nothing but a total tanking of sales will get them to upgrade the low ISO image quality at this point.
It's much cheaper for them to update AF than the sensors.
Leaving out 4k seems brainless to me (although I guess the price on this isn;t bad at all, and maybe they didn't want 4k in the sub $2000 class).
The real test is the 5D4, if that uses an old sensor and lacks 4k 10bit 4:2:2 and 1080pRAW then forget it, they are cooked.
I guess they can maybe get away with the old sensor and no 4k for the 7D2 though, the AF should be amazing.
i guess the sub $2000 price kinda makes the 4k OK
Copy / paste: visit the Canon US site. If they lie... It's their problem, but don't say that "brag" is not there. Read carefully.
Here is one for the 4K crowd:http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1370-8k-is-not-the-future-of-tv-we-think-21-9-ultra-widescreen-is-instead
P. S.: I am wondering if for some people a Zenit 12 Mark II would be the perfect solution.
Zerg2905: OK. Decision time: I will buy this "epic fail", but only if ISO 6400 is "reasonable" and ISO 3200 good, which means far better IQ vs the 7D I own. All other specs are formidable, but difference in IQ cannot be ignored.So, putting all the bla bla aside, real images shot with this camera will help.
I also wonder if Canon asked itself the following question: pros shooting with this new camera can actually SELL their indoor / low or difficult light images? In other words, can the IQ be good enough so that it can justify the investment? Or this is "reserved" to the 1D-X?
Yes, possible, but I will wait a bit until someone will test the camera - and post some images.
OK. Decision time: I will buy this "epic fail", but only if ISO 6400 is "reasonable" and ISO 3200 good, which means far better IQ vs the 7D I own. All other specs are formidable, but difference in IQ cannot be ignored.So, putting all the bla bla aside, real images shot with this camera will help.
Lab D: First I read this and then I saw the new Samsung. I don't know anyone who buys Samsung, but it seems to beat the 7D in every spec.For example 10 FPS is not exciting when others are offering 11,12 and 15 FPS. "Full HD" video is boring when other shoot 4K.I just hope the 7D does use the same technology in this new sensor as found in the Rebel T2i.
Yes, I know, but there are a couple of comments on the DPr site that are predicting some financial doomsday for Canon, sooner or later...
Why? Some explanation, please? Or I will have to take it for granted?
Gesture: Please DPReview. Instead of rethinking the DSLR, CANON upgrades specifications.
Wow. My Audi A8 has some upgraded specifications. Not nice, not nice at all.
CatsAreFineArt: wow this camera is extraordinary! Extraordinarily boring.
With some black dots, and a touch of silver painted exotic wood grip...
RXVGS: Hopefully the sensor isn't as noisy as the 70D!
Or, how much (%) vs the (original) 7D the IQ should be improved so the other specs added can justify the acquisition?
johndill: The lack of sensor innovation continues to disappoint
Precisely. I really want this camera, but I will have to see some pictures shot with it, first. So far, no one (except maybe DPR testing the camera) can say how the IQ really is. And please, no DxO, I've trashed that since the 5D III was born, and DxO was placing it as garbage. Using the 5D III told me that you should trust your eyes and photo skills, and not DxO, more than ever.
wcan: I'd like to see Canon improve the dynamic range of their sensors a la Sony/Nikon, whether APS or FF. They have been way behind the competition for years in this respect. I'm guessing they haven't. otherwise they'd be trumpeting the improvement.
Check the US Canon site. It seems they do.
So, Canon is collapsing, from the pure finance perspective? Clear signs on that direction?
Zerg2905: OK: the first one that will post a high ISO picture (at 6400, say...) from the new 7D II will get a beer from me, as I am curious if this is the 70D, or something else.
OK: if that improvement is 33 to 50%, well, not bad. Not bad at all. And yes, no APS-C can compete with FF, due to some basic laws we cannot change.
Karl Gnter Wnsch: @DPreview, the remote connector type is not E3, it's N3!And there are discrepancies in reported ISO ranges, either it's 50-12800 or 100-16000, depending on which page of your preview I choose to believe...
Thank you. Appreciated.
How do you know?
OK: the first one that will post a high ISO picture (at 6400, say...) from the new 7D II will get a beer from me, as I am curious if this is the 70D, or something else.
Just to ease your pain: 4K is useless, as it is not 21:9. So, if you want to shoot anamorphic, buy an anamorphic lens, and play the result on 21:9 screen. Otherwise you will see 2 black 4K bars, one on the top and one on the bottom of your 4K, 16:9 display...
You mean 16000... :-) yes, I've checked the information on Canon USA.
I've noticed that, too. Good catch.
Epic fail, obviously....
...but I will wait the initial issues to be solved and definitely buy it. Looks like my good ol' 7D is history. :) :) :)
My question is: ISO values - are these 50 -12800 or 100 - 16000?