Sad Joe: As we all expected the Nikon D600 turns out to be a cracker - the dust problem seems commonplace with FF sensors, remember all the problems with the Canon 5D with dust on the sensor AND within the viewfinder? Sure Nikon will crack this problem. Roll on the Canon 6D - as a Canon user and fanboy I still think Nikon have got it right and Canon have spent all their efforts on GPS & Wi-Fi (thus getting it wrong) whilst most us users want a decent AF system, still, not long to go now.
@JavierDiaz: I do the same with the 5DIII since October 26: just read the manual & practice shots. AF: incredible, especially when compared with my 5DII. My kids are now available to FF action photos, and not just for my battle-tested 7D! Cheers! :)
MichaelK81: Great review, perhaps we'll get one for the D4/1Dx sometime in the next decade too?
Canon EOS 1D X seems to be "anachronistic" so the answer is "probably not" ( :) :) :) ). Cheers! :)
Hmmm, unsure, the good ol' 5D II AF never was an issue for me (for sports I use the 7D anyway). Think the 6D "will do the job". Cheers! :)
Dust is a real issue only if you shoot with the MP-E 65 mm f/2.8 at 5X & f/8. But there is no Nikon MP-E 65 lens, just the Canon counterpart. Otherwise, a very nice review & a very nice camera overall from Nikon (I'm a Canon user and because of the Canon "gestalt" that I really enjoy it will be highly unlikely for me to change the system in the future; however, I think this D600 is a very good offer/package for the "first steps in the FF world"). Cheers! :)
Ruy Penalva: You pay for a Nikon but get a Sony. Why not buy the original?
@hippo84, Fox Fisher and all others with the same "perspective": so who builds, in your opinion, the best 24-70 and 70-200 mm lenses in the world (let's say only from optical point of view, and not mentioning nuclear war-proof construction)? And the best 17 mm? 24mm? And the best fixed focal 300, 400, 500, 600, 800, 1200 mm lenses? A hint: by miracle, except the 17 & 24 mm, all mentioned lenses have AF. Cheers! :) P.S.: for all DxO fans, and assuming DxO is the supreme authority for testing methods - you don't buy just the sensor folks, you buy far more than that in a camera. This is why my 1981 AE-1 Program still rocks. With its "less than Zeiss" 50 mm FD lens.
Well well... Good cop (Sigma) vs bad cop (Canon) in pricing terms. Now, let's wait for the reviews - I am curious about: sharpness (vs competition)/ front&back focus issues on Canon bodies (if any). Cheers! :)
This EOS M is as predictable as the comments associated (it will depend a lot how Canon will develop this product - if they plan to make it as successful as the Rebel - or XXD- series, well, no rush, let's wait for round two; if after round two we will get mid -please note that I do not say poor- performance again... ). Cheers! :)
shahid11235: I don't understand Canon's logic. There's no major improvement of sensor performance for last several years. Lenses are overpriced. 6D is another disappointment. What are they thinking themselves? Successor of Leica?
@ photo nuts: you are right and I was wrong to use acronyms (because I know that the same thing can have 1000+ meanings depending on the industry) - MS = market share. Cheers! :)
Daniel from Bavaria: No need to upgrade from a 24-105mm lens. ok.
The price is just ridicolous, also for the f2 35mm. I can get a Zeiss 2.0 35 ZE for that money...Canon, that's not the way to rise market shares, that's the best way to loose them.In the head of somebody who thinks about his first FF-DSLR:"Hmm, should I buy the Canon 6d with 24-70 IS for 3.500 Euro, or should I go for the Nikon D600 with 24-85 for 2300 Euro?" --- yeah, that's a tough decision.
You are right, but Zeiss is not quite a "mass market" producer like Canon... It is rather chasing Leica grounds (well, obviously not entirely but still...). Cheers! :)
Pretty clear, I agree completely - a "neophyte" in the FF world will seriously consider the price. Come on, this is not the pharmaceutical industry, they (Canon) must revise the profit margins!!! Cheers! :)
...35 mm interesting, but very expensive, 24-70 f/4 L insanely expensive, not interested, thanks. Cheers! :)
@photo nuts: do you have evidence for MS decline (no bs, please, only "hard" economic analysis; I am really curious)?Cheers! :)
Hmmm, now it's pretty clear (for me): Sony will indeed spend a colossal amount of money just to show that they "deserve" the first place, that they are THE photo (=imaging) company. It will not matter at all that they are unable to build lenses, printers, a comprehensive camera system etc. The consumers will help a lot, and I think they will succeed, rather sooner than later. They are so frustrated that once upon a time there was the Walkman and later there was an iPod but it was not theirs, so they think that maybe the photo ground will bring them the label for being THE innovative company back. Canon & Nikon (to a lesser extent) are just two boulders blocking the way... Cheers! :)
smileblog: a Super 35-sized sensor, 16-bit Raw recording, 4K with "a global shutter"? really?
Oh.. Canon era has finished. I thought it just started.
Where is 1D C?
@Edmond: I agree! Cheers! :)
ClearGlass: Making the switch over to Canon is becoming more appealing with every new product release. Nikon has completely lost its way. It's sad to see a company previously known for their quality, and for correctly reading the market, to fall so far down the ladder, very sad indeed.
@marike6: so your buying decision is dictated by DxO? Incredibly, DPR has just given the same score to the 5DIII (which btw I own and it is indeed a formidable camera, and I suspect that for the guys that earn their living with it the 1D X is even more) and to the D800. What now, you don't trust DPR more than DxO? Cheers! :) / ;)
dark goob: Goodbye Canon. It was nice to know you.
Hammer. Officially. Thrown. Down.
Good. So Canon is now an opponent for Sony in the Super 35 area, woooow! Now: please take another look to that picture - not that "compact" the "gear" you see, not that easy to glue it to a yellow cab in a small box, let's say like one EOS 1 C might be able to just fit in, right? So good luck, when you will shoot Avengers II just take that into consideration... Cheers! :) P. S.: Canon = newcomers "here" - they will either decide to invest and crush Sony (even through an alliance with some Hi-tech consumer electronics folks) or just close the "cine" business; my take: let's wait for round two; Sony = the pro in the arena, they have now the tech edge AND a good price. Or maybe I'm just wrong...
photogeek: If it's anywhere near as good (not to mention better) as Canon's f/4 (which I owned, years ago in non-IS incarnation), the lens will be a hit. I'd rather have a 70-200 that I won't hesitate to put into my backpack instead of the one which doubles as an exercise weight.
2007 is not that far away. On the other hand for the 70-200 range the f/2.8 L USM IS II has no equivalent on Earth. So Nikon has work to do. Cheers! :)
That indeed will be interesting to see. I am really curious if they (Nikon) managed to beat the f/4 L IS USM. If yes, big BRAVO (I own both the f/4 L USM IS & f/2.8 L USM IS II and those are incredible lenses indeed)! Funny thing, (at least some) "Nikon users"" desire this 70-200 f/4, and (at least some) "Canon users" (including me) desire the 14-24 f/2.8G ED from Nikon... that I consier to be an incredible lens. Cheers! :)
SMV78: Translation: "Please, wait, don't buy a D800"
Wow, you are so right. And now, tadaaa, (my) patience has paid off. Anyway, someone in the Canon marketing department is very dumb or very "short sighted" - when these "head to head" features are part of your competitive advantage against the (arguably) your biggest rival, you must have all of them ready at product launch time, all "on top offs" must come later, and not the viceversa... But now what, is D800 a "better" camera? Of course not. The rest is "public" (forums included) perception. Cheers! :)
Zerg2905: Ta-daaa, and now, I will transform myself into a Canon "fanboy" (Canon "fangirls", please don't hesitate to join me! :) ), and say: EISA awarded Nikon's D4 only real "plus" vs the Canon 1D X was just lost. Cheers!
Sorry, Rocker44... And please remember the third Harvard surviving rule: "Don't take yourself too seriously". Because I do.