JackM: The T6s's top LCD and rear dial basically make it a XXD class camera. Nice to see features trickling down. I remember when I returned a Rebel so I could save up for a 30D just for the better interface.
OK, what is the AF issue? Why do you consider the camera as being so bad? I will not buy the 70D (as I own the 7D II & 5D III), just curious. Thanks!
UnclePhil: Oh dear ZoranHR, are we feeling left out and want to get noticed?
@Simple man: you have no idea what I am talking about. And you know why? Because your neighbourhood is peaceful. Mine is not. This is no politics. Just the human nature unleashed. Human nature determines politics. Think about it and be aware, please. You are among the lucky ones.
Stollen1234: Is this a new trend? It looks like Canon is producing new cameras for specific kind of photography. Canon 7D II for wildlife birding and sports...the new 5DS for studio and landscape....
Is this really a good idea?
Unfortunately, in other parts of the World fanboys with the same mentality are using guns.
Shiranai: Meanwhile at the Canon headquarters:
Manager 1: We rule the camera market.Manager 2: We rule the world.Manager 3: But we don't rule medium format...
Moment of silence, chirping.
Manager 1: Doesn't mind, release a new 5D, squish 50 MP on the sensor, but cripple something so it doesn't compromise 1DX or 5DM3 sales.Manager 3: Video mode, like we always do?Manager 1: Good, but thats not enough. Do something with the ISO!Manager 3: Perfect, we are so naughty.Manager 2: Oh yeah, and the others did that aliasing filter thingie last year.Manager 1: Ok I have a great idea, let's release two 5D models one WITH the aliasing filter and one without, that'll teach them a lesson. Also, put a medium format price tag on them so they know we are serious.Manager 3: But they aren't...Manager 1: Shut up, and make it so. We are Canon, it's not supposed to make sense. The main point is, we release something new.
Evil laughter while picture zooms outside of the headquarter.
CEO to manager 1, 2 and 3, after picture zooms out and after the credits: not to forget, read all those posts on DPR and all of you will get a good laugh, followed by a bonus!
Joseph Black: When Canon announced the "a" version of some previous cameras, I don't recall this level of missing the point, bashers, and hipster competition. By hipster competition I mean coming up with new things to complain about in an effort to be an original. Canon bashing has become the "pescatarian" of the digital camera world. Wait, what? You don't want to call yourself an omnivore because meat is murder or something, but fish don't have souls so this new term makes you feel like a...wait, if you're not next to the ocean or a lake then you're not even a Locavore!!!! I don't hate Canon, I require dynamic range only Sony can deliver. I don't hate Canon, everyone else just produces cameras of a higher quality. I don't hate Canon, I love innovation....I'm an innovatarian...a dynamicrangavore.In short, it's cool to find an excuse to complain about Canon even if it outs you as a failure of a human being who doesn't get the point. Same for Olympus's pixel shift trick. Don't think, react.
I think you ask too much. Look around...please. Current target audience might strongly disagree with you. But you will get a "like" from me for bravery. :)
W4YNE 1: Will be interesting to see images taken with this camera using the Sigma and Zeiss Otus lenses, probably the only lenses that will truly do this camera justice?
Canon should do an offer, buy camera get state of the art PC free! I would probably need one? to open this camera's maximum file sizes on my current PC would take an age.
Hmm, especially with the Otus. However: I start to think that there are minimum 4-5 Canon lenses that can do the job as well... (11-24/24-70 & 70-200 ver II, 100 Macro, 200-400 and...?) This is critical, both cameras don't make much sense otherwise. My take.
karlwunsch: The Canon haters have a field day. Fanboys and flame-warriors of all colors turn this place into a sewer.
Don't buy the thing if you don't like it, trolls. No need to empty your bowels on it.
@Karl: I agree.
En Trance: For Neez, I was thinking like $22K and $20k. So they are really thinking of selling a few of these? Nothing about this introduction seems authentic, least of all 50MP. Like I said before, "We will have to give Canon the benefit of a great deal of doubt".
Who's "we"? Sounds like the "State of the Union"... Are you in that position?
Don't go "uber". This is not the right site for that. :D
ottonis: I really cannot understand why some people are bashing Canon. The picture quality of samples that I have seen (especially that one portrait) is just awesome. This camera absolutely seems to deliver when it comes to high-end studio work, where you have the right lighting and proper tripod etc.Apparently, the Canon 5ds/5dr are cameras for exactely that purpose: great rendering and top resolution for studio works.
If it can be used as well for handheld street shooting at night? I dunno, albeit I dare to doubt it.
Anyways, the strength of the 5Ds/r seems indeed to be studio works where it might replace much more expensive medium format cameras. What's wrong about that? People who want to shoot street candids handheld at night may prefer the 6D or a Sony A7s. And those who need the highest possible resolution at controlled lighting conditions will certainly have a second look at these new Canon babies.
People are bashing Canon because they can. No problem with that. The content, well, that's another story.
Zerg2905: "All statements are true unless proven otherwise."
Manuel, you should remember this as well: "primum non nocere". But that's in my field, others don't have to adhere.
Princewolf: yes, and, additionally, hic sunt leones.
EssexAsh: Any idiot can just keep stuffing pixels onto a sensor. The sony sensor still makes this one look like the joke that it is.
Then be an idiot and outsell Canon! I would like to be such an idiot. :) :) :)
I gave you a "like" for the knowledge of Roman law. Old, but nice set of principles.
Preternatural Stuff: Noise level same as 5D Mk III? That means noise is still inferior to the flagship Sony sensors.
Reckon the DR will be inferior too. What price resolution?!?!
Let's wait for the Sony mega-sensors coming out anytime now (rumoured for Q1 2015)!
Yes. But there is a long way from win-win to zero sum. I guess I'm just too old for this. I will buy the wide (11-24) first and see how the experience gained by the users of the two cameras will look like.
Don't be fooled. Canon first attempt in the hi-res started at 50 Mp. With this first attempt, the Canon array of cameras increased as well (S & S R are not for everyone, just specialized tools, and Canon knows that). Imagine you have a checklist, and market segmentation. Some people here complain about DR and lack of 4K. The logic is that it is a fact that completely anihilates the potential of the two cameras launched today. So be it. But you cannot ignore the fact that 5D III will be replaced soon, and I bet it will be very competitive vs other offers. So, slowly, Canon advances on 2, even 3 fronts. One day, when profitability will allow it, the investment in DR will come as well. And that will close the circle. Until then, be honest and ask yourself if, on a print, you can say which camera model was used.
"All statements are true unless proven otherwise."
Lassoni: If there's something that bothers me, is that they're charging a premium price, when obviously they themselves don't want the cameras to be all so premium, with leaving some of the video features out. Why do they feel the NEED to protect their 5d3, when it's so blatantly obvious that the competition has already caught up with that camera? Why couldn't they have made this to be the proper upgrade it deserves to be, a proper 5d4 "premium" camera, and not something that screams out "we'll be making better one next year"?.
Not possible. 1D is "tabu". So, if we will see the camera you mentioned, it will be a 1, and not a 5.
bronxbombers4: So is the best at video? No, the same as the 5D2 (yes 5D2 not even 5D3)
Is it a great landscape specialist/studio specialist? No, it has 2007 DR far behind Nikon and Sony.
Is it an action/sports specialist? no, locked at 5fps even in cropped modes for zero reason
Where the heck did it deliver??
2x the MP and better metering everything else is the same or worse than the 5D3 even!
"All statements are true unless proved otherwise"... :) :) :)
Zerg2905: Now, a question for all the non- "Bashing Canon party members": which lenses? Which current Canon lenses will be a match for these two 50 Mp cameras?
No, I would not say so. I still shoot film, and, despite being a Canon user, I have a lot of fun with a D80, too - actually I am teaching my kids photography with the same D80 (upgraded with a Nissin i40 flash)... It is tough enough and not as expensive as my 5D III - I would not risk giving them that camera just yet. :)P. S.: getting back to lenses and 50 Mp - I think that, indeed, the 24-70 II will do the job. and, possibly, the new 24/28/35 lenses as well.