Hmm, interesting... Not quite the original 7D. But, RAWs will tell the (whole) tale...
fmian: 'Dual lens system for optimised film (6400dpi)'
Highly inaccurate and misleading.I don't know why companies can't list the true resolution...
OK, thank you, appreciated.
Why? Please explain. Thank you.
Mike FL: I like Canon's NEW policy: "We select the best sensor, whoever the manufacturer is. That’s our policy.".
@Dr_Jon: yes, unfortunately. Someone pointed this same issue some time ago... Manufacturing process? Design issues? Both?
kadardr: There is really important information in this interview:1. On sensor PDAF is difficult to improve to the level of present DSLR modules. My bet is on algorithms and processing power as problems, but there could be other hurdles too.2. The new high megapixel sensor generation is upcoming next year.3. Mirrorless development is ongoing and new camera(s) is also shortly upcoming (hopefully more serious than an M3 would be)4. From his comments on sensor technology it seems Canon is proud of its color rendering more then low ISO DR. They have no other choice so far. Looks like a manufacturing hurdle .As we all know the Japanese culture is more about continuous bit by bit improvements than about disruptive innovation. The latter is generally not coming from Japan.
No, it's more "global" than Canon, in the non-traditional sense...
Hmmm, interesting. There is the usual corporate bla-bla we hear on a weekly / daily basis during meetings. But: there is also the "traditional" Japanese corporation that is quite visible, too. Rock solid with heavy planning behind. Imagine this: how long it will take to get an unanimous vote to build a new fab...thus delivering (indeed) a new generation of sensors? How "sound" this move will look, financially speaking, to those rather traditional directors...? How many arguments they will need in order to be convinced? Who will have the strength to give those arguments? Plus: Canon - photo industry. Sony - consumer electronics.
Bravo! I still shoot bw film too, and I'm really OK with my V750.
Michael D Beckwith: Meh I'm sick of the Nikon/Canon fanboy wars. I shoot with Canon 7D MK I and love it to bits. I will say that BOTH Canon and Nikon make fantastic cameras. As for the Canon 7D MK II it is far too early to tell how good/bad this camera is. The fact is that no one really knows how it performs in the field in detail yet, it is just too early. All we have so far are spec sheets and quite literally only a few photographs (taken by Matt Granger et al) so far.
Personally I'd wait a few months and let the initial reviews come in, then give it a few more months for more reviews and time for a large group of people to really give it a good thorough test, then we will really get a sense of what the camera is like and how it performs.
I think most of the comments by a lot of people tell you more what camp the person has their tent in than what the camera is like in general.
I look forward to the long lengthy reviews and am prepared to wait to get a better sense of what it is like.
For diversity, we should see some Nikon / Canon fangirls wars, too...
raoulJ: "spot-meter unfortunately cannot be linked to the AF point"Exact question I asked on Canon stand at Photokina.I won't buy it.:-(
Thank you. So, firmware update can fix this...
beatephmc: ...honestly, to my humble eyes the image quality of the available ooc samples looks GRUESOME! Is it just me? Soft, detailless, pale colours, blewn out highlights, rather smeary picture edges... Ok, pre-production samples, jpeg etc etc but what the heck---? There would be no use in implementing a relatively big sensor and creating a great all-around-package with the final IQ not being on par. Maybe just a bad jpeg-engine? Or rather minimized but poor quality glass? Or just not comparable to what you will get after beta? Or is it all about my wrong expectations/subjectively wrong perception? Anyways, I am quite disappointed with what I saw until now... I couldn´t find any raws, but supposing the lens is not that good, the raws wouldn´t turn out to be so much better. Sorry, I am bringing this up because I thought about pre-ordering. (I very much dislike my sony rx100 for the bad handling and, to me personally, its artificial colours.) Any opinions? Thx a lot!
No issue at all. Just a Canon using a Sony sensor, maybe. It's iOS combined with Windows. Or viceversa. :) :) :)
Joe Mayer: I guess it makes a great headline and it's clever referring to the mk2 as twice as good? But sadly, no, it's not. I doubt it could ever have been and really, at the price point, does anyone realistically expect it to be so? If you'd like it to be better, it existed before it's announcement. It's called the 1DX. Oh, but no one wants to pay for it. They want a 7D that does what the 1DX does for the price of an SL1. Never gonna happen (though it does a lot of what the 1DX does). So, it's a little better in some ways (iso over 800 wasn't very good at all), a lot better in others (the 7D AF could be flaky) so the mk2 is what it is. Twice as good it isn't but better it is. Another thing's for sure is that the price isn't twice of the 7D. In fact, it's debuting for less than the mk1. Not a bad deal at all.
@audiobomber: I ALWAYS shoot RAW. And about DxO: if you say so... I only know this: if 10 fps at ISO 6400 will look good, far better than the 7D, on print, I don't care at all about what DxO says.
OK, Canon AND Sony. There is something weird with Sony JPEGs... But that's just my take. I'll stop here, it's late and I'm sure there will be more to discuss when 7D II will be more... Tangible.
Maybe Nikon JPEG conversion engine is better than Sony's...
Eric Hensel: Look at the size of that thing! ;)
Yes. It's not a planet. It's a 2014 camera. ;)
Is this a software issue or a hardware issue? And why, please. Thanks.
@brownie 314Here:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiA7.HTMANDhttp://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTMHint: please check the olive oil bottle details at ISO 6400... In a head to head comparison.
@brownie314 - about that 2009 era sensor performanceCopy / Paste (one of my previous posts):"I have learned that: using Irfanview you can open the CR2 files from the 7D Mk II, available on the Imaging Resource site. Opened the high ISO and compared with 7D,70D and a6000. My current conclusion, as already posted, is as follows:"OK... Here is what I SEE at ISO 6400:a) vs 7D - clearly better;b) vs 70D - marginally (but quite visibly) better;c) vs a6000 - draw, because, indeed, there is LESS visible noise on the a6000 image but there is also visible loss of detail in some instances, too.That's it for now. Temporary verdict: possible winner."
So, what do you think? Check that and please tell me about your subjective (or objective) opinion.
Donnie G: The Canon 7D MKII, like the 1D X and 5D MKIII, is a professional's camera that is so good at what it does that it only needs to be refreshed every 4 or 5 years in order to remain at the head of its class. That Canon was able to update the camera in significant ways without raising its price is just more proof of how serious they are about supporting their highly valued prosumer clients. Canon's competition can only dream of having an APS-C based product as valuable as the 7D MKII. Great job Canon!
I have learned that: using Irfanview you can open the CR2 files from the 7D Mk II, available on the Imaging Resource site. Opened the high ISO and compared with 7D,70D and a6000. My current conclusion, as already posted, is as follows:"OK... Here is what I SEE at ISO 6400:a) vs 7D - clearly better;b) vs 70D - marginally (but quite visibly) better;c) vs a6000 - draw, because, indeed, there is LESS visible noise on the a6000 image but there is also visible loss of detail in some instances, too.That's it for now. Temporary verdict: possible winner."
Star Wars: "One thing remains. (Insert camera company name here), you must confront (=defeat) Canon. In camera generated revenue AND profits. Then, and only then, a Jedi you will be." :) :) :)