Donnie G: The Canon 7D MKII, like the 1D X and 5D MKIII, is a professional's camera that is so good at what it does that it only needs to be refreshed every 4 or 5 years in order to remain at the head of its class. That Canon was able to update the camera in significant ways without raising its price is just more proof of how serious they are about supporting their highly valued prosumer clients. Canon's competition can only dream of having an APS-C based product as valuable as the 7D MKII. Great job Canon!
I have learned that: using Irfanview you can open the CR2 files from the 7D Mk II, available on the Imaging Resource site. Opened the high ISO and compared with 7D,70D and a6000. My current conclusion, as already posted, is as follows:"OK... Here is what I SEE at ISO 6400:a) vs 7D - clearly better;b) vs 70D - marginally (but quite visibly) better;c) vs a6000 - draw, because, indeed, there is LESS visible noise on the a6000 image but there is also visible loss of detail in some instances, too.That's it for now. Temporary verdict: possible winner."
Star Wars: "One thing remains. (Insert camera company name here), you must confront (=defeat) Canon. In camera generated revenue AND profits. Then, and only then, a Jedi you will be." :) :) :)
Zerg2905: Second beer goes to the one that can post a link with a valid software (RAW converter) able to open this 7D Mk II CR2 file: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/E7D2hSLI06400NR2D.CR2.HTM
OK. You got the beer (after the IV plugins download).Here is what I SEE at ISO 6400:a) vs 7D - clearly better;b) vs 70D - marginally (but quite visibly) better;c) vs a6000 - draw, because, indeed, there is LESS visible noise on the a6000 image there is also visible loss of detail in some instances, too.That's it for now. Temporary verdict: possible winner.
Second beer goes to the one that can post a link with a valid software (RAW converter) able to open this 7D Mk II CR2 file: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/E7D2hSLI06400NR2D.CR2.HTM
Zerg2905: This "epic fail" got 1569 comments. So far. Quite boring, uninteresting item, I should say...
:-) read between the lines... I think we have a winner here, but until the high ISO samples are available, I simply cannot jump and say "clearly". :) :) :)
This "epic fail" got 1569 comments. So far. Quite boring, uninteresting item, I should say...
Akpinxit: nothing to draw conclusions from yet
You are right, not enough information yet, unfortunately. Keep calm and... :(
This forum should be called "Angry Birds"...
sdh: Lets see... 200000 cycles estimated shutter life at 10 frames per second.If we were to unbox a brand new one and tape something over the shutter button to hold it down, it would last about 5.5 hours. Warranty claim!! :-)
Ha, ha, good one! But that should be a hell of a subject! :) :) :)
petr marek: It has Full HD video, yes? Really? Wow!I can shoot 4K video with phase detection autofocus with my Samsung S5 phone...
Good luck with your 4K 16:9 black bars (top / bottom). Ah, you talk about movies, right? The ones produced in Hollywood, right? Surprise, no 4K...and no 16:9 as well:http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1370-8k-is-not-the-future-of-tv-we-think-21-9-ultra-widescreen-is-instead
Jon_Doh: Canon continues to fall farther behind the competition. There will come a point in time when they can no longer rely upon "it's the entire system that matters" and their lens line up. True, the 7D II is a great upgrade, but the 5D III is long in the tooth and over priced and the rest of their line up simply stinks.
@Openspace: it's called...age. You get older, and get less excited by your old dog, even with new tricks (but still the same dog, after all). So you want a completely new dog... But mark my words: even if your new, younger dog will be quite flashy initially, you will miss, at one point in time, that dog that really meant something in your life. My perspective (I've used an AE-1 again recently, and no DSLR will be ever able to replace that sensation). I can offer another one, but it's late and I have to put the kids to sleep.
Felts: There really are some hilariously obtuse views expressed on DPReview.
"If it's not the camera that either I own, or doesn't have the exact spec sheet that I want, it's a laughably bad product from a failing company that hates it's customers"
Or words to that effect.
All the bloody time.
Yep. Spot on comment. :) :) :)
kimsch: A few high iso shots for those who cannot wait ;-)
Good, thanks. We will need more high ISO images, however.
Zerg2905: Dear DPR, please check the ISO values... So, it is 50-12800 or 100-16000? Thank you.
100-16000... Not 100-1600... :):):)
Zerg2905: Here is one for the 4K crowd:http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1370-8k-is-not-the-future-of-tv-we-think-21-9-ultra-widescreen-is-instead
P. S.: I am wondering if for some people a Zenit 12 Mark II would be the perfect solution.
Well, yes. If you want to watch TV, 21:9 is not quite the right solution. Now, 1.85:1, there are "some" movies indeed, but the large majority is 2.39:1 or 2.40:1. For PC, there are still 2 monitors in this format in production (to my knowledge). Pair that with the right video card and... Still, I own a Philips 21:9 TV, and a serious 7.1 sound system. It's IMAX at home, those top/bottom black bars are never there... And letterboxing - no thanks. Double the resolution for that 21:9 and the ultimate movie machine is born.
MarshallG: I hope the final review determines whether the C1, C2, and C3 modes can save user settings when the camera goes to sleep. With the 7D, if you use one of those modes, nearly any setting change you make is lost if the camera sleeps. In my view, this made the C1-C3 settings useless on the 7D.
What? You can save the settings... I have the setup done for fast action / macro / indoor...
bronxbombers4: The reason we know the sensor gains are minimal already is that Canon didn't brag the slightest bit about improved image quality in their press releasesbut they did say "It's ALL ABOUT THE LENSES" in their press release.
Updating to a new sensor process costs money, so they will just milk the 2007 tech sensor and won't stop unless their sales completely tank. It is really starting to seem like nothing but a total tanking of sales will get them to upgrade the low ISO image quality at this point.
It's much cheaper for them to update AF than the sensors.
Leaving out 4k seems brainless to me (although I guess the price on this isn;t bad at all, and maybe they didn't want 4k in the sub $2000 class).
The real test is the 5D4, if that uses an old sensor and lacks 4k 10bit 4:2:2 and 1080pRAW then forget it, they are cooked.
I guess they can maybe get away with the old sensor and no 4k for the 7D2 though, the AF should be amazing.
i guess the sub $2000 price kinda makes the 4k OK
We cannot say for sure until images will start to appear.
If you say so. But, just for my curiosity: on what kind of TV / screen format you watch your movies on BRDs, in 2.35:1 or 2.39:1 or 2.40:1?
Copy / paste: visit the Canon US site. If they lie... It's their problem, but don't say that "brag" is not there. Read carefully.
Here is one for the 4K crowd:http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1370-8k-is-not-the-future-of-tv-we-think-21-9-ultra-widescreen-is-instead