I'm sure this can handle the Sigma 200-500... Now that's...tough!
This is NASA. I still use airplanes...
cpkuntz: Typical Canon dull colors, plastic skin, mushy details, and blown highlights. In 2012 these sensors were badly beaten. Now they are embarrassing.
Not sure who's the "fanboy" here... I have started with a lot of scepticism when the 7D II was launched. Well, most of it washed off...objectively. This is a far better camera when compared with my (very good, I would dare to say) 7D. But, if your hobby is to decimate Canon's DR and other sensor-related elements, so be it, be happy! I only wonder if this will improve your overall photographic skills so that in a 1:1 printed comparison everyone can say: "Z, this was clearly shot with your Sony camera! All others are pure garbage Canon images."
mick232: Once people start getting laughed at because they are shooting with Canon gear, the alarm bells should be rining.
Can I have a laughable 1D-X plus a 200-400 f/4 zoom with 1.4x TC? Please, send these to me when you are ready to get rid of this laughable gear. Thank you. Highly appreciated.P. S. (Edit): pro gear + (real) mastery of the light = a pile of money
MikeFairbanks: When someone in sales/marketing starts flapping their gums with a bunch of adverbs and adjectives, it's fair for the consumer to say, "Get to the point."
My father used to say, "Stop beating around the bush."
Canon's executives are spending way too much time in meetings (the alternative to work), and this ad campaign shows.
Will it work? I have no idea. I'm no expert, but as a prosumer of gear it's not working on me. I find it annoying, condescending, contrived, and useless. But if it causes the average Joe to get pumped up and buy Canon products, then it will be a success.
Hype is a way to sell to the consumer who doesn't like to think or research. It's a way to assume (probably correctly) that most people are easy to manipulate.
And I agree with Canon (if their assumption is that people are easy to fool with hype). Look at the ebola epidemic. Right now there are people on motorcycles or on flimsy ladders worried that they might catch ebola, all because the TV hyped it.
I think... Too many "trigger happy" around. Because of this, in my opinion: instead of the new high MP, awesome DR sensor, they got...a MKT campaign. This creates cognitive dissonance.
Oh, you all are still here?! I have left yesterday evening, and to my surprise now I see...more than 750 comments. Wow... What a waste of time, in my opinion.P. S.: dealers have started to offer the 7D Mk II with the BG E16 grip for free - sounds like a good offer (almost 300 EUR saving), can make the camera (even) more attractive...
Don't care. The 7D II "case" is not "solved" yet, so after the reviews for this camera will start to pop up, I will move to the next topic. Eventually.P. S. (Edit): or, they might have some sort of breakthrough... This sounds rather like "We did it, so now please shut up. Thank you."
those samples seem to make Canon fanboys quite butthurt, no critics tolerated.. Try making samples with the 500mm F4 next time to convince them they still got the superior camera system.But "sssh", don't mention the price...
"...Try making samples with the 500mm F4 next time to convince them they still got the superior camera system."The sensor itself on 7D II is (or looks) better. Nothing to do with my 7D. Sony has great sensors, indeed, but not quite that "killing" difference that will make me swap the system, when you consider the 7D II package. Now, I ask only one thing from the 7D II sensor: usable files at ISO 6400. And good at 3200. If this will be true, that's it, I will buy the camera.
Thing is, I have used many camera SYSTEMS. Just being curious, you know. Here is my opinion: you are not right. At all. Nikon has a wonderful camera system (and I will say the same about Olympus), really, but to claim that the Canon system is inferior is a bit immature. And unprofessional, too. Fangirls & fanboys excluded here. And, btw, although I am not yet convinced, these samples are not bad at all. But if you want to make these look worse than in reality and this makes you happy, fine with me.
Hmm, interesting... Not quite the original 7D. But, RAWs will tell the (whole) tale...
fmian: 'Dual lens system for optimised film (6400dpi)'
Highly inaccurate and misleading.I don't know why companies can't list the true resolution...
OK, thank you, appreciated.
Why? Please explain. Thank you.
Mike FL: I like Canon's NEW policy: "We select the best sensor, whoever the manufacturer is. That’s our policy.".
@Dr_Jon: yes, unfortunately. Someone pointed this same issue some time ago... Manufacturing process? Design issues? Both?
kadardr: There is really important information in this interview:1. On sensor PDAF is difficult to improve to the level of present DSLR modules. My bet is on algorithms and processing power as problems, but there could be other hurdles too.2. The new high megapixel sensor generation is upcoming next year.3. Mirrorless development is ongoing and new camera(s) is also shortly upcoming (hopefully more serious than an M3 would be)4. From his comments on sensor technology it seems Canon is proud of its color rendering more then low ISO DR. They have no other choice so far. Looks like a manufacturing hurdle .As we all know the Japanese culture is more about continuous bit by bit improvements than about disruptive innovation. The latter is generally not coming from Japan.
No, it's more "global" than Canon, in the non-traditional sense...
Hmmm, interesting. There is the usual corporate bla-bla we hear on a weekly / daily basis during meetings. But: there is also the "traditional" Japanese corporation that is quite visible, too. Rock solid with heavy planning behind. Imagine this: how long it will take to get an unanimous vote to build a new fab...thus delivering (indeed) a new generation of sensors? How "sound" this move will look, financially speaking, to those rather traditional directors...? How many arguments they will need in order to be convinced? Who will have the strength to give those arguments? Plus: Canon - photo industry. Sony - consumer electronics.
Bravo! I still shoot bw film too, and I'm really OK with my V750.
Michael D Beckwith: Meh I'm sick of the Nikon/Canon fanboy wars. I shoot with Canon 7D MK I and love it to bits. I will say that BOTH Canon and Nikon make fantastic cameras. As for the Canon 7D MK II it is far too early to tell how good/bad this camera is. The fact is that no one really knows how it performs in the field in detail yet, it is just too early. All we have so far are spec sheets and quite literally only a few photographs (taken by Matt Granger et al) so far.
Personally I'd wait a few months and let the initial reviews come in, then give it a few more months for more reviews and time for a large group of people to really give it a good thorough test, then we will really get a sense of what the camera is like and how it performs.
I think most of the comments by a lot of people tell you more what camp the person has their tent in than what the camera is like in general.
I look forward to the long lengthy reviews and am prepared to wait to get a better sense of what it is like.
For diversity, we should see some Nikon / Canon fangirls wars, too...
raoulJ: "spot-meter unfortunately cannot be linked to the AF point"Exact question I asked on Canon stand at Photokina.I won't buy it.:-(
Thank you. So, firmware update can fix this...
beatephmc: ...honestly, to my humble eyes the image quality of the available ooc samples looks GRUESOME! Is it just me? Soft, detailless, pale colours, blewn out highlights, rather smeary picture edges... Ok, pre-production samples, jpeg etc etc but what the heck---? There would be no use in implementing a relatively big sensor and creating a great all-around-package with the final IQ not being on par. Maybe just a bad jpeg-engine? Or rather minimized but poor quality glass? Or just not comparable to what you will get after beta? Or is it all about my wrong expectations/subjectively wrong perception? Anyways, I am quite disappointed with what I saw until now... I couldn´t find any raws, but supposing the lens is not that good, the raws wouldn´t turn out to be so much better. Sorry, I am bringing this up because I thought about pre-ordering. (I very much dislike my sony rx100 for the bad handling and, to me personally, its artificial colours.) Any opinions? Thx a lot!
No issue at all. Just a Canon using a Sony sensor, maybe. It's iOS combined with Windows. Or viceversa. :) :) :)