Peet van den Berg: "Tends to slightly overexpose (though easy workaround exists)" A workaround at this price range!? That's like the most basic camera function and it gets it wrong? And it still gets 90%? Inspiring much trust in the review conclusion. NOT!
@Peet: yes, this kind of issues are not the end of the World, this is why clinical trials data (tests done by the manufacturer) are always backed up with real world data (DPR, users). This is not making the benefit / risk ratio of the D750 horrible, and even with this issue, D750 is a great camera. Just try one, you will see for yourself (and believe me, I use Canon, but I cannot wear horse glasses).
@Rishi: this is the D750 thread, not the 7DII thread, so, in my opinion, you should minimize your sarcasm. This approach of "I'm OK, you still have a long way to go" is not that productive. And it is not fair, too, because you are supported by a lab and a team, and readers are supported only by their experience and subjectivity. And, to repeat: the drama occurs when an objective review is producing a subjective conclusion.
marc petzold: A merry Xmas and a great good new Year for you DPR Guys! It's very nice, you're still here - i know the Website and being myself a silent reader since 2000, but this year i finally registered here into the DPR forums....and for instance the video reviews are a great addition to the ordinary, way technical reviews. ;)
Looking forward to the new 2015 gear...wondering what the big brands would have under their hood ;)
Dear Zubs, please take a holiday break. My wits end is so scared that I am already out with my family and my Canons taking pictures. Together with my friends with Nikons, Olys, Panas etc. A real pleasure. Try to do the same - that's the spirit!
Happy Holidays (Merry Christmas included)!
David Kinston: I just dusted off my D80. (I have D300, D7000, D750).
All modern cameras are great. Results are 1% camera - 99% you.The D750 is a brilliant piece of equipment.
IMO anyone who cannot pick up a D80 and be 99% satisfied is not a photographer - just a pedantic nitpicker and whinger.
@David: 500% agree. I own a Canon system (5DIII, 7DII, 700D and lenses) and... A D80!!! Used that recently in a club with a Nissin i40, with great results. Yes, it will not go to ISO 6400 etc, but when used in its limits it is still a very nice camera. And: it's expendable (no fear for theft, damage etc)!!! :) :) :)
Peet van den Berg: I have now read the review for the 6th time from start to finish plus all the comments. My emotion: disappointed! In the camera? NO! You will have to tear it from my stone cold dead hands to get it from me. (And I only have it for 3 weeks now) My disappointment stems from what I perceive as flawed (or even biased) arguments and apportioning weight to the lack of or the abundance of features in the 7d2 by the reviewers. More so the explanations by the reviewers in the comments section strengthens my conclusions about this. Especially Simon's take on iTR. Why say it's a "pro tool" and then mark it down because it is a complex machine relative to e.g. Nikon's offering (3D with less customisation)
I have put a lot of trust in DP Review's reviews of cameras in the past.
I do not any more.
@Simon: I am a Canon user, not a Canon fan. Canon does many dumb things (not just product wise, but market wise as well, in my opinion). And, I will say it for the last time: 7D II is not among those things. Regarding reviews: "L'Enfer, c'est les autres..." (Sartre)
@Peet: you are not alone. I have read it a couple of times, too. DPR staff cannot get this, it seems - some people (like me) NEVER accused them (until now) that they are clearly biased towards brand X or Y. However, my problem with them is this: 7D II is not quite a "second hand" camera - in the general lanscape of 2014 APS-C cameras. Not at all. This is surely not valid for all Canon cameras (same was true for 5D III, that was and is a great camera, but the D750 is the new king of the versatile FF DSLR hill now, overall, and I have no issue with that, period.)
Segaman: So NIKON as their 90% rating......It must feel really good to Nikon FANS...they got a rating they wanted.NOW GO OUT AND SHOOT AND LEAVE THE CANON FORUM AND BASHING FOR A WHILE....
SONYAL and the whole team put a big effort in doing this review.Now how about a PLATINUM award!!!!
@Segaman: calm down. I know the 7D II review is a mess (and I am on DEFCON I since then, but the D750 really is a great camera). To repeat: a great camera. And, btw, get used with this - you will see even higher marks for Sony-tech based cameras. Some of these will match the real life, some will not. What matters (my opinion) is if the camera YOU OWN can produce the images YOU WANT.
ThePhilips: Considering the cons, hardly a gold medal material.
Or other FF cameras are even worse in the aspects?
It doesn't matter. Sony-based (sensor wise) cameras will have higher and higher marks here. But: even if after 7D II I have started to take DPR reviews with not just one, but two grains of salt, one fact remains: this is the best VERSATILE FF DSLR around. Nikon finally had "their" 5D III, and this coupled with the 2014 features, the end result being a GREAT camera, indeed. Prediction: 5D IV will be a GREAT camera, too, and despite that it will get a Silver Award and less than 90 points - but, to quote LC, "this is how it goes...and everybody knows..." :)
oselimg: Dpreview is confirmed Nıkon/Sony endorser.
P.P.S.: exercise this - Mona Lisa is a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. Think that the sensor was his eye, the CPU his brain, and mechanical parts - his hands. Now imagine this: what if you don't know that Mona Lisa was painted by Leonardo da Vinci? Is Mona Lisa deserving a Gold Award then? If yes, that is 100% objectivity (a set of criteria, the painting dogma etc) or 100% subjectivity (in simple terms, human bias). The same for photography: Canon camera X (Monet, say) is not Sony camera Y (El Greco). One is less than the other?
... For me, this is a hobby, and just an expense, not an investment, not making a living with it. I don't have a fully operational testing lab at home. But I do know when a device can produce an exceptional result. So, I will say again: Rishi, 7D II is a Silver Award recipient, but versus what? As a PACKAGE (and not just sensor...), versus its primary target (which is probably not landscape photography, or pitch black video), it is UNIQUE on the market (not just my take). That would be a honest statement. P.S.: I have NEVER said that Canon has THE BEST SENSOR, but I don't think the DR issue is THE issue, or lack of 4K video is crippling this camera (Wi-Fi, maybe, should have been on the list). P.S.: no worries, the reviews will be enjoyed by those who called me a fanboy etc. But, I have the right of doubt, and the right to question, you know. Especially when the "II" is doing impossible things when compared to "I".
@Rishi: Yes, I was exaggerating. I've got 1 to max 3 OOFs, and yes these occurred when the moves were really, but really sudden and very quick.7D II tested with the following: 24-70 L 2.8, 24-70 L 2.8 II, 70-200 L 2.8 II, 85 1.8. And then: 18-135 STM, Sigma 17-70 C. And then, the lens with weird focus issues: 50 1.4 (Canon). Nikon: borrowed a D4s with the 24-200 2.8 "package" from a friend (btw, the Nikkor 70-200 behaves differently, a tad slower, in my opinion, than my C 70-200 II; strong IQ however). Different camera league, I agree, but also different price: got ZERO OOFs with D4s, but I cannot compare (unfortunately) the situations, because the same kids did different things. 1D-X: I have never used that camera more than 15 minutes. The "zillions" thing was a joke, probably a poor one (apologies for this). To be continued...
R Johns: I love a good debate along with the next person, but some folks in this thread have gotten way out of hand. I would say, even abusive. Look, I've been engaged in the debate here, as well. It's okay to disagree, and even be critical, but it surprises me how some folks have utterly lost their civility.
Look, most folks who care enough to even know, already realize the emperor has no clothes...that Canon sensors fail to exhibit nearly as much DR as the rest of the bunch. Even some M4/3 sensors outperform Canon's FF sensors, regarding DR. However, chastising DPR for pointing this out is kinda like "shooting the messenger". lol
@R Johns: yes, the DR matter is correct, but this is not the point. The point is about exaggerating a KEY NEGATIVE ISSUE, and people tend to focus more on the negative issues (read some psychology if you don't believe me). It doesn't matter if you insert some positives just to keep the apparent fair balance. And that's tricky, because it can easily justify the end result - the "Silver award". In some other worlds, the reviews are done on the risk-benefit ratios... The higher the benefit, the better the end result is (and there is rarely a product available with zero risk). Reading the review the 7D II appears to bring no benefit to the photography world, and to be a piece of JUNK (like the honorable Serious Sam likes to say). And this is directional, meaning deliberate. My conclusion is not based on a single review. I have spotted some mismatches (regardless of the brand) in the past, but I decided to ignore these.
Hmmm, yes, I start to think the same, unfortunately. I will skip the reviews in the next period of time, and concentrate on other themes. Hope those are not that biased, too. Credibility is hard to gain, and very easy to lose... (the part in "focus": suddenly, there are zillions of photographers that use DR at ISO 100 and at a high pace, each and every day. Pure b******s. And I have tested ITR on kids...you should know how difficult this kind of subject is - now that's a challenge; result: zero errors).
You know what? Reading again the review, some recent reviews and some of the comments here I see a sort of an interesting pattern; if you work as a journalist, you can spot some techniques, too, like "excessive focus on key negative item(s) because that will sell well" etc. Think it is time for me to...log out.
Serious Sam: Now on to 7D2. So many of you kept saying “It doesn’t need all that gimmick”, “it is just right for its purpose”, “Canon improved its AF and shutter system, thats all you need”......etc. It may be correct for a specific group of users, thats it.
What Canon and its user are not realising is the market dynamics of camera market has changed. We use to be happy with a major body release every five years. Those days are gone. We now have four mirrorless system and three and a half (the half being Sony) DSLR system competing. Look at the rate Nikon, Sony, Olympus...etc releasing new products and adding new features. This is what the new camera market is about..cutting edge technology with aggressively priced products. You can’t change it. either ride it or get out. Canon for now can bank on the system buyers and the pros/niche users, but if a company is too caught up in their dominance and ignore market dynamic. Its wouldn't last in 21 century. remember what happen to Nokia…
No, not quite. My iPhone 6 is a piece of junk, btw (the price was ridiculous, and the stupid phone cannot give the bloody premium German car a proper RSAP). And I do not have a Gold Award crystal ball, either. "Impossible to see, the future is..." Yoda says.
Nokia, yes, Microsoft, no. Apple, no. Other major and huge corporations, no. So, you see, it's not quite black and white. Releasing new products at a faster rate doesn't mean those are formidable. Many are not. Sony's range is a grand bazaar. Nikon use imported sensors (and yes, D750 is a GREAT product). And, when you import key items there is a risk. Like...importing oil! So: are Canon's books terrible? I don't think so - please check.
Zerg2905: Dear DPREVIEW...I read your reviews carefully. Because I think you have the skills, and the expertise, to produce quite good reviews. And many, many times, I was on the same page with you, especially when you pointed (rightly) the clear flaws some of the Canon cameras have. But not this time. I own the 7D 2. I had the 7D before, and between these two there is no contest. Sony sensors, ah, yes, they DO have more DR (but not that much). Other brands DO have more video mumbo jumbo (and big minuses in other areas). But the 7D 2 is, in my opinion, a photo tool, first hand. So tell me, please: which photo tool in the APS-C world is matching the 7D 2? The SLT A-77 II? I would have to disagree, as I have use it, too. Other brands don't have anything close, but, like the 7100, are "Gold award" cameras.I think the Silver Award is a BIG MISTAKE (and many EU and US articles seem to be on my side here...), a mistake that will cost you credibility. Not now, but in the mid-long term. If it matters.
Ha, ha...veeeeeery funny...Thing is, I don't need their gold star. And this is not about gold stars anyway, it is about what's behind.
Dear Joe, I wish you only Gold Award cameras. Dpreview style.
Dear DPREVIEW...I read your reviews carefully. Because I think you have the skills, and the expertise, to produce quite good reviews. And many, many times, I was on the same page with you, especially when you pointed (rightly) the clear flaws some of the Canon cameras have. But not this time. I own the 7D 2. I had the 7D before, and between these two there is no contest. Sony sensors, ah, yes, they DO have more DR (but not that much). Other brands DO have more video mumbo jumbo (and big minuses in other areas). But the 7D 2 is, in my opinion, a photo tool, first hand. So tell me, please: which photo tool in the APS-C world is matching the 7D 2? The SLT A-77 II? I would have to disagree, as I have use it, too. Other brands don't have anything close, but, like the 7100, are "Gold award" cameras.I think the Silver Award is a BIG MISTAKE (and many EU and US articles seem to be on my side here...), a mistake that will cost you credibility. Not now, but in the mid-long term. If it matters.