toni2: Canon are doing really bad with rebel line (750d, 760d...). It hasn't microAF adjustment. So it is really easy to have bad focused images, and you can't adjust that.And Canon M3 hasn't electronic viewfinder and has a EF-M mount (it isn't EF-S compatible).
Really, I don't understand Canon. Well, I understand Canon marketing people: make waste time and money to it's clients.
It seems that Canon don't want to put microAF in the rebel line. It is software disabled (firmware) because people from Magic Lantern says that it is hardware enabled from 550d...So If Canon don't want to put microAF in the rebel line, the only way would be to put an electronic viewfinder and always use live view AF.
to fatdeemanWell I think that microAF is a "must" feature of any reflex (mirror) camera because it's the only way to ensure a good focus.If Canon or Nikon or others don't want to enable it for any number of lens (market segmentation), at least It must be enabled for a pair of lens.The point that is really clear is that any reflex camera must have microAF, because of the limitations and problems inherent of the focus system. In other words, mirrorless cameras hasn't this problems. So I think that isn't admissible that a mirrorless camera has no focus problems and a reflex camera has it.
I think Canon should arrive a compromise: they know that is not acceptable to sell a reflex without microAF, because it is not sure that it will get in focus photos. Particularly if you mix a high MP camera (18 MP and above) and high brightness lenses (F2.8 and under).So the commitment should be to add a firmware in the rebel line to enable the microAF of the camera with 2 lens (no more). So professional market, that wants more features and have more lenses could continue, and the amateur users who have focus problems could solve it.
To zlatko Yes, it seems that for Canon, you can do a lot of things with a Rebel (DSLR, interchangeable lens) camera, except get in focus photos.Perhaps I'm expecting too much of a DSLR, interchangeable lens, camera. Or are you talking about a compact digital camera?
To fatdeemanI think there are people like zlatko that have no solution.I have been reading the studio test report (read it), and there is a lot of people that think as you or me.Any DSLR nowadays should have microAF adjustment. Current reflex cameras have a lot of MP and any defect is maximized.
to blackcoffee17I write: "So If Canon don't want to put microAF in the rebel line, the only way would be to put an electronic viewfinder and always use live view AF."Your conclusion: "The only way would be to put an electronic viewfinder and always use live view AF".Learn to read.
To zlatkoYou can change the default kit lens on the rebel line, or have a lot of lens. It's possible that some lens doesn't work well.Your solution seems to be: bad luck, look away. Or don't change the lens.
The thing is that any reflex can have focus problem, by design. If a reflex, with mirror, have this problem, and you have the system to correct it, why not to include it? And I said that in rebel line it's only a thing of firmware. And If you don't want to use it, don't use it! A lot of people perhaps don't have an external flash but it's control is included in the firmware. No problem. The problem is in your mind.
HaroldC3: No surprises here. The images generally lack great sharpness and the noise levels are no great improvement (why would they be though?)
Canon sensor technology is almost as it's 5 years old technology, so no really good improvements in noise levels. Sony sensor technology it's a lot better. I'm sorry, but it's a fact.
And with an aps-c sensor, 24 MP is a lot. With dxomarks you can see as any lens on an any aps-c sensor only gives 12 MP aprox. So, any aps-c sensor beyond 16 MP is a really stupid thing. But it sells!!! hehehe
To blackcoffee17There will be always people who do not see a span beyond their noses.MicroAf is only a thing of firmware, and you are suggesting to forget it.Perhaps would be better the surgeries without anesthesia? In fact, why are we using a digital camera when we can use a film camera?
To zlatkoPerhaps people buys a DSLR to get in focus photos? Or it is too much complicated for a DSLR?Oh yes, it is too much complicated for a entry level user. So you only have to say him: I'm sorry, but if you change your kit lens with a better lens, maybe you will get out of focus photos.
Canon are doing really bad with rebel line (750d, 760d...). It hasn't microAF adjustment. So it is really easy to have bad focused images, and you can't adjust that.And Canon M3 hasn't electronic viewfinder and has a EF-M mount (it isn't EF-S compatible).
Ok, CR9 is a bit faster thant CR8 to load an image and in the preview work. But when you click the "open" button to load the image in Photoshop, It is so slow as CR8. I think Adobe people don't use CR in a "normal" workflow...
The real thread would have been a Rebel with optical viewfinder (760d), and a Rebel with an electronical viewfinder (like 760de).Canon is the leader, so they don't need to do this, at this moment.But I think others (perhaps Nikon) will do it soon.
A DSLR without microAFadjustment is one of the silliest things I have ever seen. Almost every compact or smartphone camera has in fact better focus precision that a DSLR without microAFadjustment. So, they have 2 options: add microAFadjustment or put an electronic viewfinder.
750d/760d is the same. They haven't microAFadjustment. So, they are only toys. If you put a decent lens on them you will have out of focus photos.For a minimal 'serious' use, you need microAFadjustment, that begins with 70d.
blue hour: If you appreciate the Canon 760 D feature set and control layoutyou should consider the Canon 70 D.
The 70 D offers a superior pentaprism viewfinder, Canons cutting edge Dual Pixel CMOS AF, better battery life and a more durable body.
@blue hourAnd 70d also has microAFadjustment, and faster AF.
@thx1138Better play the lottery.Fist, a 20 MP sensor is a lot in aps-c senzor size. You can't arrive at that MP count with any actual lens. Look at Dxomark.Second. Actual Canon sensor technology is almost the same as of 7d, Announced Sep 1, 2009. If you expect that it will be better (dynamic range...), good luck, but I don't think so.
@badiYou're right! An actual canon camera is as good as a 6 years old camera. The only real difference is live af. The rest is almost the same.
toni2: It's not a logical thing. It's only marketing: canon are adding more segments, so they can increase the price of other models.In other words, it should only be 100d, 760d, and 70d. Clear models, and clear features.
Canon already had the entire range with the 100d, the 760d and the 70d, and you know it perfectly.The only argument to have 600d, 700d, 750d, 760d... is to expand this xxxd serie and to raise the price of each xxxd model. This "basic marketing 101" is too obvious. What have the 760d? the things that should have 750d and it has not. The LCD that old 350d had, and continous af in video. Pffff basic marketing... it's better basic customer whip. The next thing will be a camera with a shutter and if you pays a bit more in the next model, when you press the shutter it will also take the photo!
It's not a logical thing. It's only marketing: canon are adding more segments, so they can increase the price of other models.In other words, it should only be 100d, 760d, and 70d. Clear models, and clear features.
Michel Cojan: tried it today... frankly, not impressed... All right, it's still in beta version, but tried a "simple" thing like opening a short series of 10-12 RAW images (things I do regularly in Photoshop or Light-Room with dozens, even hundreds of RAW images at a time), whole thing jammed on me and jammed the whole system. Restarted my Mac (hard reset), than tried again with same result. For now, forget about it.
@Michel CojanDo you know what means Digital? How you recover, you try and keep your digital information? With a pen and paper?Anyway, you are partly right. Focus on the program. No works well even on Mac, its unique platform. But in other platforms, when a program doesn't work, you close it, you don't need to reboot the system. That's all.
Boky: Buying canon dSLR without focus micro-adjust is ludicrous. Been there, done that - never again!
@Rishi SanyalYou assume that a user who buys a 760d can not improve and change the kit lens with a better one?
hahaha In fact, 760d sells without lens!
I need facts, no beliefs! I said this yesterday!!!
Microadjustment it's product differentiation. It's simple: Do you want more? pay more.
Anyway, there is another simple fact. I can buy an interchangeable lens camera, and as the camera has interchangeable lens (isn't it?), I can change it. Obviously I will not put a worse lens that the one that comes with the camera, so I can buy an inexpensive F2.8 zoom or a F1.4 fixed lens and put it on a 760d (low model?). You (vendor) think that perhaps a lot of people will not change lens? It's ok. Perhaps a lot of people will not change the lens. But you (vendor) are selling me a interchangeable lens camera, and I paying for a interchangeable lens camera. Do you understand what it means?
And with F2.8 or F1.4 it is necessary to have microadjusment, even on an aps-c camera. And if you do not think so, explain me why 70d and 7d are both aps-c and both have microadjustment... So it's clear that aps-c needs microadjustment.
There are facts and beliefs. I've said are facts.
@Wye PhotographyIf you were a professional, you would know you have to use windows 7.Now that you mention it, I have no virus, nor have antivirus.
@Wye PhotographyI never liked Mac. Fortunately, I saw the drawbacks BEFORE purchasing any mac.The people that are living in a fantasy land is the people that own a Mac. The facts are very clear.
@Michel CojanYou said: "whole thing jammed on me and jammed the whole system. Restarted my Mac (hard reset)".I said: "I NEVER had this problem [need to restart. (hard reset)] on my old laptop with windows 7..."It's not the first time I listen you said from people with a Mac.
@Rishi SanyalWhenever you want, the Rebel product line is a DSLR with INTERCHANGEABLE lens (read it again). There are low cost F2.8 zoom lens or low cost F1.8 fixed lens, so you can't presume that lens ara above f3.5.And If you have prefocus or postfocus AF, you have lost focus. Whether you use aps-c as if using full frame. With aps-c you have a cutting, but it's the same out of focus image.So... any DSLR camera with INTERCHANGEABLE lens should have micro focus adjustment.