Earthrise: The true colour sensor shift mode Iooks very very interesting. Anyone know if the print on the wall of the models in a studio (I think) shown when the mode is mentioned is taken this way? Just trying to work how broad a range of shutter speeds this can be used at.
Cool, thank you :-) Yep, you read my mind, as well as the 'proper' use for this tech I'd be very curious to explore using it in exactly the way you describe, and pushing it in different directions.
Hi, thanks for your reply. Yep even from the glimpse in the video it looked eye catching, and I wondered if the true colour mode was used.
This use of the sensor shift tech has more potential and use than simply upping the resolution alternatives. Even the fact it takes 4 shots rather than 8 broadens when it can be used.
For me there is a sliding scale of usefulness:Still life & landscapesPosed model studio tripod workHandheld model workAnd beyond
If the shutter speeds are fast enough for studio/tripod people stuff than that would be cool. Handheld would the icing.
Looking forward to your review :-)
The true colour sensor shift mode Iooks very very interesting. Anyone know if the print on the wall of the models in a studio (I think) shown when the mode is mentioned is taken this way? Just trying to work how broad a range of shutter speeds this can be used at.
Luddhi: But researchers have developed a new method of creating optics that are flat and thin yet can still perform the function of bending light to a single point, the basic step in producing an image. This is more useful for photography. The new lens could be used in cameras and other devices such as smartphones. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160212093700.htm
Yep, this looks a lot more useful.
Good view, thanks for posting.
tombell1: For me the things that stand out relate to my usage . I use cameras almost every day. Things happening in the village I live, landscape work, family and friend,rarely fast sport
So what makes a BIG difference given that most ILC cameras have good output up to 3200 ISO now ( amazing when you think of film!!!)
IBIS ... this means every lens you use is stabilised. You get clear shape photos at slow shutter speeds.
Thats why I love Pentax and Olympus is unmatchable
Small and compact. Pentax is great for a DSLR and Olympus is incredible as its lenses are all so small. Pentax small primes are lovelyCoherent menus
Thats why I like Pentax and Panasonic
Good grip .. easy to shoot one handedPentax and Panasonic G7 score high;y here .. Olympus OMD does notFast focusing
For none sports usage the m43 are fantastic and the Pentax is acceptable ...
So that is all logical ... but it does not explain why I enjoy the Fuji X100 . Slow focusing and no IBIS .... but thats how it is
:-) Yep, much the same for the GR I bought recently. On tech sheet specs it doesn't make sense, but using it puts a smile on my face. Despite all efforts reviewing cams is still a bit subjective, so why not give cameras a smile on face rating :-)
User3754336485: I like the provocative aspect of this article and must comment.
Well the fact that all cameras are not great gives DPreview the chance to investigate & write about differences, then make recommendations. Viva les differences!
As a contrarian I do have to say that over the past decade the overall image quality of consumer/prosumer-level digital cameras has increased enormously, pretty much no matter which big brand camera you buy.
It seems to me the bulk of that improvement was not in lenses, but in the sensor and related computing element and that advance mirrors the advances in the semiconductor industry overall. I do wonder as the semiconductor industry has stalled in innovation if that will be reflected in cameras to come.
On the same note I do expect all consumer-level enthusiast sensors to trend towards full frame and APS-C (and especially M43) will vanish from ILCs within the next 7 to 10 years.
Yep, totally agree. In doing so though they leave themselves open to outside disruptive tech and non cosy companies. I thought Samsung might shake things up, but I think they want to play a different game. Panasonic have nothing to lose so might be the best bet for current companies.
I think the change will come from outside though. There's lots of work and money going into multi-sensor/multi-lens computational cameras, e.g. light.co, and the plenoptic options will broaden soon. And I wouldn't bet against Apple taking one of these approaches and entering the camera market.
Inside 5 years and a camera that approaches current dslr IQ with the form factor of a smartphone will shake things up.
I'd agree with most of this, especially the first sentance :-)
And in that vein I'd disagree with the last sentence. Actually no, second to last sentence :-)
My take is that FF is an expensive red herring and in 10 years will have gone the same way as medium format. Size, cost of lenses, and convenience will make FF increasingly high end. Improvements in sensor tech, especially if some of the more exotic ideas come to pass will mean APS-C and M43 will become the sweet spot for IQ vs cost.
Consumer level enthusiast cameras are extremely price sensitive and smaller format systems will be always be cheaper.
Plus there is always the stuff we don't know yet factor.
Earthrise: It does make me wonder why manufacturers can't pull something together that ticks more boxes. Sony for instance. Leading edge technology, but the ergnomics and interfaces seem ill thought out. They are improving with each iteration, but why couldn't lesson have been learnt from the last 150 years of camera use, or at least the last 30, rather than learn from scratch. Fujifilm, read great but then shoot themselves in the foot with some choices. Ricoh, where thou art my mirrorless miracle.
I guess the simple answer is market. They have to make cameras that sell, and sell well to make money. The market research they do leads them to certain conclusions. But maybe they are asking the wrong questions. The same old same old questions that perhaps just re-inforce their own preconceptions.
Maybe its upto sites like DPReview and others to push a metric to cover this usuability/properness/fun factor. At least with this article you are beginning to ask the rights questions.
True, but its not about advancement as such, it's more about just getting the basics right. Is the AF upto scratch, if not why not and change it. Look at the ergonomics of successful designs and carry these through. I think Samsung did this, but they seemed to have gotten cold feet, maybe at the realisation of the size of the support infrastructure that is required.
Nikon and Canon get this, maybe its true that they are waiting for the tech to catch up with the requirements before they go mirrorless.
I'm not an Apple fan, but at least they start the process in the right way. The design and constraints of the complete finished product. Then work backwards to achieve this in the most profitable way.
Smartphones decimated the compact camera. If camera manufacturers don't even get the basics right, another disruptive technology will come along and do the same to the rest of the industry.
It does make me wonder why manufacturers can't pull something together that ticks more boxes. Sony for instance. Leading edge technology, but the ergnomics and interfaces seem ill thought out. They are improving with each iteration, but why couldn't lesson have been learnt from the last 150 years of camera use, or at least the last 30, rather than learn from scratch. Fujifilm, read great but then shoot themselves in the foot with some choices. Ricoh, where thou art my mirrorless miracle.
Earthrise: Benjamin, all the best with this endeavour. It's great to see talent being put to use for an important cause. I can't believe in this day and age we are still having to chase hunters of shark fins, rays, elephant ivory, rhino horn and many others. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on advocacy through art, potentials and pitfalls, promotion vs preaching etc. It would be something I would love to do but wouldn't know where to begin.
It's going to be quite a journey for you then. I look forward to seeing where your travels lead. Indeed it's you and your story, and how you achieve your images as much as the work itself that creates the interest, the connection. Meaningful. That's actually a tricky one to pin down and will change for you over time.
Benjamin, all the best with this endeavour. It's great to see talent being put to use for an important cause. I can't believe in this day and age we are still having to chase hunters of shark fins, rays, elephant ivory, rhino horn and many others. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on advocacy through art, potentials and pitfalls, promotion vs preaching etc. It would be something I would love to do but wouldn't know where to begin.
fmian: While I appreciate Von Wong's creativity and how he pushes boundaries (usually of safety)... is it just me or do the images, especially the model and the dress look totally manipulated/illustrated. Not photo realistic at all. The look is of the environment being captured with a camera and the model/dress being inserted by hand.Why go to all the trouble if the end result looks faked?
He has taken the raw image and styled it to be consistent with his previous work, and expression of what he wants to achieve with it. He is very successful, and so would want to give this image the same success and impact that has worked for him in the past to promote a cause that seems to be close to his heart.
But like any image and style of photography it comes down to personal taste. It's a great shot, is it over-cooked? To me no, but to you yes, which is cool :-)
Interesting discussion btw, thanks DPReview for posting this.
Point is we're talking about the images and help push the sharkshepherd site (which is a good thing) :-)
No, photoshopping them would be missing the point. They are real, and that adds a great deal to the context. Indeed the fact that they are real is the point.
Though I'd agree the images almost look too good, knowing how and why they are made makes me appreciate them more.
Earthrise: I'm probably one of the few, well possibly only person, to actually like this idea. If this ever rolled out in Europe, and they bundled the CM10 with a network connection deal I'd take a close look.
Hi, exactly yes. It would also allow the phone to get small again, say watch size or earpiece.
I'm probably one of the few, well possibly only person, to actually like this idea. If this ever rolled out in Europe, and they bundled the CM10 with a network connection deal I'd take a close look.
brycesteiner: If this model is still in stores, why would Samsung confirm this discontinuation? No one would buy it because it won't be supported. Dealers couldn't in good conscience recommend it and Samsung doesn't want to take them all back to the warehouses especially if there is a stockpile.
If this being the case, they certainly wouldn't confirm it with a press release, which is what seems to be happening.
@Mark, then why repeat it here?