(unknown member): My own attempt to recreate the review dynamic range/noise tests.http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53648612
Using a different camera, with a different processor, lens and picture that are totally different will give you much different results, duh. You used the G1X mkI, DPR used the G1X mkII, so maybe, just maybe that is why their results were different from yours. Therefore, your test results are worthless.
mamiller: . . . and why would DPreview award that camera a Silver rating?
@howardroark... I think if you thought it was such a great camera, you would be upgrading your G1X mk1. Actually, I think you are smarter than that and realize the mk1 is better than the mk2 (IQ wise), but for some strange reason, you keep apologizing for the mk2, for some strange reason?! That is what I can't understand, you keep on sticking up for a camera you don't even own or plan to upgrade to. That just plain does not make any sense, unless you just like to see your name in print. Why can't you just enjoy your mk2 and give it a break already? I for one am getting tired of listening to you apologize for the mk2 and rationalizing and putting spins on what a GREAT camera it is, when it is NOT.
@Howardroark, it does not matter is you spend $5,000 on 3 of the best lenses in the world. If you have a crappy, old, outdated sensor with only DxO rating of 58, low DR, and only 12.8 MP's, the lens will not give you adequate IQ. What good is a great lens without a great sensor. A great lens with a lousy sensor = a mediocre P&S at best. Why can't you understand that simple fact? I would like to see what kind of IQ it would have wit a 'Real' high efficiency sensor, like Sony and Nikon have.
newworld666: As usual .. Canon correctly focused and exposed colours are far richer than the washed exmor sensor.
@newwsorld666, "correctly focused", besides only DPR, other sites contadict that statement. The has also been many post from users to the contrary. This is only one of the threads complaining about it. Maybe you got one of the good ones?Odd G1X MK2 focusing quirkhttp://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53556195
I realized this camera was not worth the price from the first images I saw on the Internet. After reading some actual user testimonials, I decided to save $500 and got a XZ-2 instead. I'm sure glad I made that decision! I don't have any AF issues, blooming/halo affects, low DR, etc, etc... Using the DPR comparison tool, IQ is just as good and sharp up to about ISO 1600, the maximum I shoot. The XZ-2 is also much smaller/lighter and has a faster/sharper lens! I was hoping to upgrade my G12 to the G1XII, I'm glad I changed my mind in time! Maybe the G17 will get a new and improved sensor, but probably not knowing Canons history of innovation :(
(unknown member): Finally! Put the arguments to rest!Dynamic range improved matching the D800 range but favoring shadows, exceeding RX100II by a good margin. I don't get the whole shadow noise thing, since cranking up the shadows that high is naturally going to greatly exaggerate the noise....this is why we're supposed to expose to the right, right? And you don't think Sony processes its RAW files to reduce noise? Once again, Sony's fatal flaw is that it's a Sony.Anyway, thanks for the review, guys and gals.
@ howardroark...This is the first camera that scored worse in RAW vs JPEG in the history of DPR. Also DR IS a big deal, as I and DxO confirmed. Face it, the RX100 has a MUCH better sensor, it smaller/lighter and cost less. The review pointed out almost all the flaws I spoke about in the forum, remember. The review could have gone into slow, inaccurate AF and halo effects more, blown out highlights, etc... but I think they took it easy on it. They gave it a 'Silver Award' to be nice to fanboz :-} It was a great review and one I expected!
IF it came with a built-in zoom lens, it might have been something to consider. Right now, it looks like a small bar of soap with a hugh lens on it making it way too big to be carried conveniently. The lens is way too slow and there are not enough of them for the system. Lets hope the P8000 rumors are true, this camera is a joke!
skogredd: So why not in the E-M10 then if mechanical 5-axis really is superior? Why did they develop a specially made crippled version for the E-M10?
If it came with 5-axis IBIS, it would have issues with Shutter Shock, like the Pen E-P5, OMD-M1/M5. I have not read any issues with SS on the E-M10 so maybe 5-axis is not so great after all.
Just another pinhead 1/2.3", 16 MP sensor superzoom, next :/I would not trade my XZ-2 for it!Bring on a 1" sensor semi compact camera to compete with Sony and Canon!Give us a 24-120mm f2-4.0, very sharp lens, 3-axis IBIS, tilting touch screen and weather seal it. I'm looking forward to the rumored Fuji X30 or Nikon P8000.
Rod McD: I'm not a customer for this camera (so maybe I'll never understand the marketing rationale) but I have to confess to being slightly miffed as an Australian. We too are in a bit of a retail downturn. If Sony want to boost sales, why not just reduce the price of the existing model instead of reducing the specs for the regional market?
If no Australians buys the camera, maybe the marketing genious who made the decision to sell a down graded camera there would get fired and Sony would not do it again. Simply reducing the price of the a3000 would have made more sense. Does Sony think Aussies have lower IQ standards than the rest of the world :/
dual12: How many Canon fanboys will fall for this...again?
@TTMartin I guess $300 for body and lens, it's probably better than a P&S, if you don't mind it being 3 times the size/weight with lens with only a 22mm fixed lens and much less responsive. Of course a Panasonic LX-3 has a F2.0 - F2.8 lens for less $ than that and is much smaller/lighter with a 24–60 mm FOV which would make more sense to most people.
What is the reason it will not be sold in the European or US markets? Seems like that limits the sales possibilities just a bit? Does anyone know why Canon is doing this? I'm not interested in such an ugly, bland camera with so few features, just wondering why they limit sales to only one region.
I hope not, there are real cameras that have come out since this Casio that people would really be interested in. This is a camera the nobody in their right mind would be interested in, considering the competition that just came out with much better specs and prices.
Just another toy type POS P&S camera IMO with another pinhead sensor capable of taking pictures at up to ISO 400 or less, in good light and up close. The price they are asking compared to what is out there is ridiculous, are they crazy. I'll bet this will be the worst selling P&S in history. What a waste of R&D time and company resources.
Dougbm_2: This does seem overshadowed by the RX10 and even bridge zooms such as the FZ200. I wonder who will buy this?
Just saying that it would have been nice to see at least a new, more efficient 2/3" sensor instead of the small 1/1.7". I also thing the RX10 should only cost $8-850 and the Stylus 1 more like $600 in a smaller/lighter package, rear/flush mount EVF without that HUGE hump. Too expensive and too big IMHO.
@T3... unfortunately, the size and efficiency of the sensor matters more that a few centimeters of the camera size. If Oly could have designed the camera with at least a 2/3-1/1.2" sensor, it would/could have been a LOT better and a possible consideration!!! :-(
If Sony can do it with a 1", why can't Oly?! Also, that Huge hump makes it look ridiculous for a P&S. Put a flush mount one on the left side :/
solarider: It would be interesting to know what size/type is the imaging sensor, megapixels don't exactly say much.
Are you going to review this camera?
IF Panasonic claims are true: "Technology to improve color saturation by approx. 10% and a redesigned on-chip lens that enhances light condensation to achieve approx. 10% higher sensitivity. Noise generation is minimized in both pixel circuit and digital signal readout circuit for better S/N ratio by approx. 25% and detail reproduction by approx.10% compared to the LUMIX DMC-GX1". Unfortunately, I have seen those kinds of marketing claims (lies) before and they never materialized once reviewed. Now, if would be very interested if they would have said it had all those improvements over the GH3, THEN, I would be something to get really excited about.
I think DPR should do a Review on this camera as soon as it is released! It seems like it could be an alternative to the G15 and Nikon P7700 IQ is as good or better than either of them. I did not get the G15 because the IQ was just not as sharp as I expected/wanted and only 5X zoom or P7700 because of size and slow response times. The LF1 seems like it could possible overcome both of those issues. It is also smaller/lighter and could be a real contender if the IQ/sensor/lens combo delivers as it just might do. If the noise level is very low from 28-100mm in good light with very sharp detailed images, I would be interested in giving it a try. I can't wait to see it's images in the comparison tool against other small pocket-able P&S cameras.