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On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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DuxX: A good camera with incompetent sensor. The minimum size of the sensor for any serious camera should be APS-C. Sorry Nikon.

DuxX, as Andy points out, the word "never" is where you are wrong. My APS-C from 12 years ago is nowhere as good as the quality of my 1" sensor from 2 years ago. You're missing a key element, and that is technology improves. And the cycle of improvement has gotten so fast. With my old Nikon V1, I'm taking photos that are giving my D700 full frame camera a run for its money. Not quite the same at high ISO, but close enough to get me high quality landscape photos that I would feel comfortable printing at 13x19. See my V1 photos at https://www.flickr.com/photos/fotogeneticist

Direct link | Posted on Jul 20, 2014 at 22:13 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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MikeReidDesign: Why do cameras cost so much these days? Seems like the prices keep rising every year.

That being said, for me, the J4 may be the way to go. IQ looks on par with the other 1" sensor (RX100) except in shadows, which is OK with care in your exposure (a basic photography skill). Most importantly, it's priced right.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 19, 2014 at 02:35 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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MikeReidDesign: Why do cameras cost so much these days? Seems like the prices keep rising every year.

It all boils down to "biggest capability, smallest size". Capability can be measured in many ways. Image quality, responsiveness, user interface, etc. Even image quality itself can be measured in different way (high ISO performance, low ISO performance, dynamic range, color). For most people, image quality is the main capability they want. Given similar pixel counts and sensor technologies, larger sensor equals better image quality. Thus, there is no way around it. The market wants a full frame camera in a compact (perhaps V3 sized) body with DSLR responsiveness. The first one to get there wins. Don't waste time on compromises. Start developing the inevitable end state.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 19, 2014 at 02:32 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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Banhmi: Puked in my mouth when I saw the low light IQ at ISO 3200.

Look at RAW Sony RX100 Mk III side by side with RAW V3 at all ISOs greater than 1600.

The RAW images at the higher ISOs look nearly identical, with the V3 resolving more detail. The real problem here is the JPG engine. They need a better one. A little less aggressive NR in JPGs would be welcome. I think the problem is more in the color detail. The NR for color noise is "muddying" the colors. I could easily use this camera's RAW images.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 19, 2014 at 00:24 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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Thematic: Bummer. I was interested in this camera. Seemed like fun...

But those sample photos are worse than apsc cams costing half as much.

I will rent one and try to keep an open mind.

The JPG samples have some heavy handed NR for sure, but I'm happy with how the RAW images look, especially in comparison to the other 1" sensors at high ISO. The difference between the Sony RX 100 and V3 decreases as ISO increases. Low ISO is already acceptable. It's the detail in shadows where the others have the advantage, which is only a problem if you do extensive post processing. For landscapes, I blend exposures so it wouldn't be a problem for me. I do miss the latitude I had with my D700 though, although I'm very happy with the decrease in the weight of my entire kit.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 18, 2014 at 01:37 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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Kay Fisher: I was excited to see the V1 but couldn't understand or live without bracketing.
I watched for firmware update for bracketing but...
Then the V2 came out - still no bracketing..
Then the V3 came out and still no bracketing and now they took off the viewfinder.
Go figure.

Richard, just for the record, I don't wear belt-and-suspenders. ;-)

Direct link | Posted on Jul 17, 2014 at 19:37 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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Scottelly: Thank you DPreview! I was amazed to see that the V3 has superior resolution to the Nikon D7100 in the corners of the image, especially as the center of the V3 image shows there is not as much resolving power as the D7100. It looks like the V3 lens produces better resolution in the corners than the lens that was used on the D7100, which indicates to me that it is not so much the camera's limitations as the lens limitations. I was very surprised to see how good the images from this little 18 MP camera seem to be. Now I KNOW I want a V3.

Actually I've looked at images from the camera on Imaging Resource and image quality in RAW (not JPEG) seriously look great all the way up to ISO 1600. The limitations of shadow detail, however, leaves little room for post processing, so that is where the IQ difference is apparent, not in out of camera photos. That's my take on this. If you expose for the shadows and don't need to post process, out of camera photos are perfectly acceptable. This is a tool that has a good blend of acceptable image quality (minus post-processing latitude), blazing fast AF, and silent operation. So, image quality is not the reason I would not buy this camera. For me, it is the fact I already have a V1 and the things I am waiting for like CLS compatibility or standard hot shoe, bracketing, are still not there. Oh yes, and the price--it's approximately $300 more than I'd pay for with the kit lens. Actually, I wouldn't even buy the kit lens if I had a choice.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 17, 2014 at 19:00 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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sadatoni: What an ugly camera.

Not as "ugly" as the V2. But it's all in the eye of the beholder. For me, aesthetics is a function of utility. Something becomes uglier the more "decorative" it gets, where the exaggerated curves serve no purpose. Those curvaceous lumps that some companies call cameras are an example. I prefer the utilitarian aesthetics of cameras like the Olympus OMD, old film cameras like the Nikon F3, rangefinders like the Contax G, Leicas, etc. But like you, I only represent one segment of consumers.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 17, 2014 at 18:45 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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Kay Fisher: I was excited to see the V1 but couldn't understand or live without bracketing.
I watched for firmware update for bracketing but...
Then the V2 came out - still no bracketing..
Then the V3 came out and still no bracketing and now they took off the viewfinder.
Go figure.

For those of us who shoot high DR images (>11 stops DR), bracketing is VERY useful, and this camera, with it's limited dynamic range in the shadows makes it a requirement for some photographs. I often use the setting sun in my landscapes and even with my D700, used exposure blending to capture it simultaneously while capturing foreground detail. Bracketing is VERY useful for landscape photographers who want to go beyond the limitations of digital sensors. http://www.pbase.com/atmabini/image/111165379

Direct link | Posted on Jul 17, 2014 at 03:31 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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Saldahna: I wonder how many of you guys have seriuosley tried to use the V3 and other cameras of the V series. I'm a SLR Shooter but my D800 and the holy trinity stay more an more at home, or will be used for Landscapes. Please try this camera by yourself before you judge.I've tried the Sony A6000 but the back screen is like a mirror....and the Lenses are to big. I want something small with power. That is the V3 with EVF and Grip. I love my DSLR but I also love these small V series cameras.

Take a look at Imaging Resource's test shots. They are much better... however, Nikon's JPEGs are terrible. RAW is the way to go with this camera--which works for me. They seriously need to do a firmware upgrade to improve their JPEG engine from the start. In the images on this site, at ISO 1600, the Nikon V3 RAW images look sharper than the Sony RX 100 Mk III RAW images.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 17, 2014 at 03:25 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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SammyToronto: Put the Sony RX sensor in this Nikon, take the grip and EVF off the kit (not everyone needs a grip/EVF) and bring the price down to the $700 range and it can be a contender. As it is, it's a very tough sell (unless bright light focus speed is your number one priority) with all the excellent competitors available with better image quality and at markedly lower prices.

So in other words, put the Sony RX sensor in the J4?

Direct link | Posted on Jul 17, 2014 at 03:11 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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Kay Fisher: I was excited to see the V1 but couldn't understand or live without bracketing.
I watched for firmware update for bracketing but...
Then the V2 came out - still no bracketing..
Then the V3 came out and still no bracketing and now they took off the viewfinder.
Go figure.

I agree completely. Bracketing is huge, especially when limited by dynamic range. Is it that hard to do this?

Here's another thing I've been waiting for in the V series: Creative Lighting System compatibility. Without off camera flash capability, a camera is in the point and shoot category. The ability to control lighting is one of the things that I think separates a camera suitable for professional use from a point and shoot (manual control being the most important feature of a pro camera, of course).
I can still work with the camera, but it would really be helpful if Nikon would listen up to its most faithful supporters and start including some of these basic features, otherwise, Nikon will continue to lose them. I'm on the fence now on this V3.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 20:23 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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grumpycat: who will buy this thing???

Lin,

I do the same, I often stitch photographs together, however, from my DSLR days, I wouldn't completely discount the advantages of ultra wide angle. I've made use of the 14mm FOV with an FX sensor in many of my photographs and I will say that I pretty much solely shoot in the 14mm-24mm range nowadays. I would welcome a Nikon CX lens with an equivalent FOV and wider constant aperture... the CX equivalent of the legendary 14-24mm f/2.8, which I still keep even though I don't have a DSLR anymore.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 19:58 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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grumpycat: who will buy this thing???

Hertz,

Changing this discussion from the apparent limitations of the V3 into a string of comments like "dumb people buy dumb things", or "this camera is for no-one with more then 4 functional braincells" is immature. I am a competent photographer and the Nikon 1 series has a place in my arsenal. I don't think I'll be buying the V3 (possibly the J4) due to the price, but if I did have a V3, I guarantee I could get over every one of its limitations, which I would be willing to do in order to reap the advantages of its fast AF and reach. I assure you, I have more than 4 functional braincells and I know how to use a camera.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 19:52 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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57even: Hmm, can't see many early adopters. Nikon, get a decent sensor, quick!

Better still, put all this excellent technology in an APSC body. You would probably sell millions.

I agree with HowaboutRAW... the JPEGs from this thing are not doing it justice. But I still think Nikon is 1-2 stops away from the perfect camera. I've been using a Nikon V1 to great effect as my D700 replacement. I've learned to work around its limitations in shadow details. I expose for the shadows rather than the highlights and use "other methods" to compensate for highlights.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 04:03 UTC
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Robert Peters: I wonder how many of the people posting comments have actually USED a V3.

Hmmm.

HowaboutRAW, I've also looked at the RAW images at Imaging Resource and for me, they are great right up to ISO 1600. My issue, however, is in the latitude for post processing shadow details. I was very spoiled with my D700 and with my V1, at least, I've come to realize that I truly need to expose for the shadows in this camera. If I cannot capture the full range of the scene, then I must use multiple exposures and blend them in Photoshop if a landscape, or use fill flash if something like a portrait. This is where skill comes into play to level the field.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 03:57 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)

Here's my takeaway from this camera: Don't shoot JPEGs with this thing. For me that's fine as I shoot solely RAW. But for those who would like to shoot JPEG, this is not good news. It's unfortunate they have no setting for no NR in JPEG. Even during the early years of digital, I've always been a proponent of not having aggressive NR. It's the measurbators who have driven companies to this.

Still, I may get this camera or the J4 once I am able to liquidate some of my old FF gear.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 03:21 UTC as 116th comment
On Nikon 1 V3 First Impressions Review preview (586 comments in total)
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vFunct: Too bad only engineering geeks care about image quality.

REAL photographers don't care about image quality at all. Image quality is only for measurebators, and they do not matter.

If clients won't even notice any low-ISO noise, why would the photographer care?

I kind of agree with you. Given equal skill and composition, the better photograph is going to come from the camera producing higher image quality.
That being said, most of the comments here are from measurbators who have taken nothing but photographs of walls, backyards, etc, and thus, would never be able to realize the full potential of a good camera anyways. There are other things more important than image quality, such as handling, once you reach a minimum baseline of image quality, which the Nikon 1 (even with the V1) achieved.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 03:00 UTC
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Simon97: Nikon N1 system. I like the cameras but not completely satisfied with the image quality, especially with what can be had with the Sony 1" sensor.

I like the growing N1 lens system. The lenses are fantastic and make up for what the sensor lacks. The original kit lens is the weakest one and it is still better than most other kit zooms. Perhaps the lenses are the N1's saving grace.

For me, ISO below 1600 looks great. It's only when it gets above that where I have problems with the image quality. If I had the funds, I'd get this camera in a heartbeat! Image quality is slightly behind the Sony 1" sensor, but within range of skill/post processing to level any differences.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 02:51 UTC
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RichRMA: m4/3rds it ain't. Are we sure the effective C-AF isn't just huge, inherent DOF?

LOL it's either ingenious or disingenuous! I do know that I've put to good use the amazing DOF in my old V1 for landscapes at night at f/1.8. I also know that the C-AF even in my V1 is pretty impressive, so at least from my end, I believe the hype.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 16, 2014 at 02:27 UTC
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