BobYIL: Such news should be a message to Nikon. Specifically for the D800/E series we need highly corrected, hi-resolution primes, say from 18 to 50mm; not necessarily faster than f2. Just a few primes designed to deliver flawless IQ from corner to corner on the 36MP sensor starting from f2.8 or f4, for instance.
And we know that if Nikon do them then the prices would be more "reasonable".
Yes - Agree that some slower high res lenses would be an excellent idea. I've never needed f1.4 wide angles and it seems to me that they often come with many compromises..... size, weight, flare, distortion, vignetting, cost, etc
And to peevee - Most LF & MF lenses are unsuited to DSLR adaptation. And their FLs are typically too long for routine FF FOVs.
"It was decided to focus on portraits, landscapes and still lifes". Personally I'll be interested to see the landscape lens(es). I'm assuming that they'd have to be looking at a couple of FLs (say 24mm & 35mm at the very least). And I sincerely hope that they're going to make them significantly smaller and lighter than this one. Zeiss need to understand that size and weight can be a compromise too. Serious landscapers will want lighter kit if they've got to carry them and all the hiking gear on a two week trek.......
I don't care too much for AF, and have no interest in the other lenses.
Beautiful image - well composed and perfectly exposed.
There's a lot to like in this camera and I think Panasonic should be commended for getting all the features into one body. It redeems (for me) their earlier VF-less designs. I might consider one when we know a bit more about the sensor and its performance.
There's one thing that I'd like to see in any future model - environmental sealing. For some strange reason all the mirror-less manufacturers (except Olympus with the OMD) seem to take the view that this just doesn't matter. Well it does. And they're premium cameras at premium prices. There are several low level DSLRs with sealing for half the price. Tsk.Tsk....
It's certainly also true for me that my DSLR is getting used less. I already use both types of camera. The DSLR is faster and more versatile at the expense of size and weight. I use a mirror-less for travel, hiking and social occasions, and the DSLR for macro, birds, wildlife and so on. It's horses for courses, and not either/ or.
Rod McD: I understand why some people might want one, but it's not for me. Nor do I want the faster XF55-200, as good as it is. Or the 56/f1.2. I'm with those who think Fuji need to offer a small (ie modest speed) telephoto prime around say 85/90mm f2 or 100mm/2.8. That would provide an AF lens with some reach, a step up from the 18-55mm zoom, and still capitalize on the mirror-less advantage of small size. If I want a case full of big zooms, I may as well stay with a DSLR.
@samhain. I didn't "poo-poo" Fuji's 56mmf1.2. I just said that I didn't want one in favor of a longer FL. It's predominantly a portrait lens and I don't do much of that type of work. For more general short-tele photography I generally prefer a slower lens because you don't suffer the downsides of fast design. Hence being happy in concept with a 85-90mm lens in the f2 - 2.8 range. There is no "THE" lens for any system. It depends entirely on your needs. I'm more into landscape - a 56mm 1.2 is of little practical use to me. As usual in photography, it's horses for courses.
I understand why some people might want one, but it's not for me. Nor do I want the faster XF55-200, as good as it is. Or the 56/f1.2. I'm with those who think Fuji need to offer a small (ie modest speed) telephoto prime around say 85/90mm f2 or 100mm/2.8. That would provide an AF lens with some reach, a step up from the 18-55mm zoom, and still capitalize on the mirror-less advantage of small size. If I want a case full of big zooms, I may as well stay with a DSLR.
Hasslebling #2. Obviously I and my fellow readers are not the target audience for this camera. What a descent from photography to tacky! I suppose a good point is that (unlike Sony) they recognised the need for a grip on a camera and didn't leave it to the after-market.
I've turned over a few cameras too in my time. I think one of the key things that has driven GAS in the last decade has been the development of digital from its infancy (nerdy accessories to computers) to fully fledged photographic tools. In this short period, improvements were annual and every model was superceded when you walked out the shop door. It's slowing down now and people are lamenting that new models are appearing more slowly and that upgrades are incremental....... It'll take a few years to get used to changing expectations, but it has to be a good thing.
Rod McD: Quote from the conclusion :- "Details are smudged at base ISO (though likely not an issue for target audience)"
Why is there this ongoing assumption that people who like the outdoors aren't interested in better IQ? In my experience, people who want tough, WR cameras to take to wild places greatly value where they go and the images they bring back. Perhaps the target audience who buy these cameras do so because there's simply nothing better available. It doesn't mean it isn't wanted and wouldn't sell. And no, one shouldn't have to carry a D4 in housing. We need something in-between - a modern day Nikonos with a fixed wide to standard zoom.
Surely someone could make a better small WR camera with a 1"- APSC sensor, a WA zoom, and real O-ring seals? Yes it would weigh more and cost more, but many would be prepared to pay more for a comprehensively better outdoor camera.
@ seilerbird666 : It seems you're not letting facts interfere with your post....... I did not say I expected DSLR IQ from a $300 camera. What I actually said was "it [my preferred option] would weigh more and cost more, but many would be prepared to pay more for a comprehensively better outdoor camera." The Nikonos showed that you don't need a DSLR in a housing to get high IQ. The camera was itself water proof to 40 metres and far tougher than any of these rugged compacts. And it was small enough to stuff into a life jacket or a caving suit. Try that with a DSLR in a housing. There's no technical reason there couldn't be a similar camera in the digital era. And once again, I'd pay a good price for it.
Quote from the conclusion :- "Details are smudged at base ISO (though likely not an issue for target audience)"
Not seeing too much advantage of the 'R' over the standard RX1 model. But this isn't what holds me back from either - it's the inflexibility of one FL. (Yes I have lived with a one lens camera for months on the road. I know that I prefer a small suite of FLs and I'm not alone). And a built-in EVF please. If Sony made a similarly small FF body, a little taller to accommodate the BIEVF, gave it a grip and a suite of lenses of say 24/35/50/90mm, they'd be rushing out the door if the body price was contained to the same as a 6D/D600. Those who want a single prime aren't compelled to buy more than one lens. Just do it.
KL Matt: This really surprises me -- I thought they were dropping the K-01 like a bad habit. Does releasing a new K-01 edition and all the effort that entails mean that Ricoh is commited to maintaining a K-mount mirrorless body in the lineup going forward? The plot thickens. I have no idea what they're up to, but I like it!
Hi KLMatt - Bad habits are the ones that keep coming back :-) Like you and the rest of the Pentax Forum I thought production had ended but they've clearly made this edition in recent times. It'll be interesting to see the availability (both region & duration) and the asking price..... Personally I hope Pentax do have another crack at the MILC market, but the K01's not for me despite its excellent IQ.
Rod McD: 1. Why is it that every one the manufacturers of these rugged cameras assume that the people who need them aren't interested in higher IQ? Outdoor photographers (hikers, climbers, cavers, kayakers, cyclists, yachties, etc) really value their forays into wild places and the images they bring back. Would somebody kindly offer a more serious camera with a larger sensor. I fully expect it to cost more and weigh more and I would be prepared to pay for the improvement.
2. Why do they all ignore two hundred years of engineering knowledge about seals? The internet is full of leak experiences and failures to honor guarantees. They could use a 1" O-ring on the base of a decent grip and it would be big enough to take an SD card and an appropriately shaped battery. And it would allow them to offer better specs. Just do it.
To Marty4650......I know full well that these compacts don't attempt to emulate a D4 in a housing (that probably cost as much as the D4). Your response suggests that there is no possibility of an engineering option in-between, which is completely false. Oldarrow has mentioned the Nikonos. Yes a modern day equivalent would probably be $2K, but it would be a whole lot better than these compacts and, to many users, a whole lot better than a black mastodon in an UW housing. Try kayaking with one of those stuffed into your life jacket. Fujifilm also developed a series of inexpensive water resistant heavy duty cameras in the film era that used proper O-rings for the battery compartments. It can be done.
1. Why is it that every one the manufacturers of these rugged cameras assume that the people who need them aren't interested in higher IQ? Outdoor photographers (hikers, climbers, cavers, kayakers, cyclists, yachties, etc) really value their forays into wild places and the images they bring back. Would somebody kindly offer a more serious camera with a larger sensor. I fully expect it to cost more and weigh more and I would be prepared to pay for the improvement.
samhain: A viewfinder would've been nice...
While you may personally be happy with an add-on VF that costs significantly more and blocks the flash shoe, my gauge is that more people would prefer a complete camera in the first place. Yes it would mean a slightly bigger body but there's no point to style over function. And yes it would still have to be paid for. However, it would never be lost, forgotten, knocked off or interfere with the flash shoe.
Sony, as impressive as the RX1 & RX1R are, please give us what everyone is actually waiting for - the interchangeable lens version. One FL is too limiting for most photographers. Please give us a scaled up FF NEX with a built-in EVF, external controls, and a suite of matched primes. I'm thinking 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.4 and 90/2.8 - modest speeds to keep them small and light. Best available AF. Environmentally sealed. No dearer than a D600. They'd sell. Thank you.
radissimo: Fuji just got lazy introducing "me too" camera. yawn
Sorry? - Is there another APSC MILC on the market like it?
Great! Thank you. I've been holding off, waiting for focus peaking because I specifically want to use some fine DSLR lenses.
The 16mm may interest me if it's IQ is not compromised to offer the fast maximum aperture. I'm into landscape, architecture and travel, so for me WA lenses are optimal if they are sharp across the frame and limit distortion and flare. I'm hoping Samyang have done well with this one. If it performs well it could be successful for them with these specs.