I've turned over a few cameras too in my time. I think one of the key things that has driven GAS in the last decade has been the development of digital from its infancy (nerdy accessories to computers) to fully fledged photographic tools. In this short period, improvements were annual and every model was superceded when you walked out the shop door. It's slowing down now and people are lamenting that new models are appearing more slowly and that upgrades are incremental....... It'll take a few years to get used to changing expectations, but it has to be a good thing.
Rod McD: Quote from the conclusion :- "Details are smudged at base ISO (though likely not an issue for target audience)"
Why is there this ongoing assumption that people who like the outdoors aren't interested in better IQ? In my experience, people who want tough, WR cameras to take to wild places greatly value where they go and the images they bring back. Perhaps the target audience who buy these cameras do so because there's simply nothing better available. It doesn't mean it isn't wanted and wouldn't sell. And no, one shouldn't have to carry a D4 in housing. We need something in-between - a modern day Nikonos with a fixed wide to standard zoom.
Surely someone could make a better small WR camera with a 1"- APSC sensor, a WA zoom, and real O-ring seals? Yes it would weigh more and cost more, but many would be prepared to pay more for a comprehensively better outdoor camera.
@ seilerbird666 : It seems you're not letting facts interfere with your post....... I did not say I expected DSLR IQ from a $300 camera. What I actually said was "it [my preferred option] would weigh more and cost more, but many would be prepared to pay more for a comprehensively better outdoor camera." The Nikonos showed that you don't need a DSLR in a housing to get high IQ. The camera was itself water proof to 40 metres and far tougher than any of these rugged compacts. And it was small enough to stuff into a life jacket or a caving suit. Try that with a DSLR in a housing. There's no technical reason there couldn't be a similar camera in the digital era. And once again, I'd pay a good price for it.
Quote from the conclusion :- "Details are smudged at base ISO (though likely not an issue for target audience)"
Not seeing too much advantage of the 'R' over the standard RX1 model. But this isn't what holds me back from either - it's the inflexibility of one FL. (Yes I have lived with a one lens camera for months on the road. I know that I prefer a small suite of FLs and I'm not alone). And a built-in EVF please. If Sony made a similarly small FF body, a little taller to accommodate the BIEVF, gave it a grip and a suite of lenses of say 24/35/50/90mm, they'd be rushing out the door if the body price was contained to the same as a 6D/D600. Those who want a single prime aren't compelled to buy more than one lens. Just do it.
KL Matt: This really surprises me -- I thought they were dropping the K-01 like a bad habit. Does releasing a new K-01 edition and all the effort that entails mean that Ricoh is commited to maintaining a K-mount mirrorless body in the lineup going forward? The plot thickens. I have no idea what they're up to, but I like it!
Hi KLMatt - Bad habits are the ones that keep coming back :-) Like you and the rest of the Pentax Forum I thought production had ended but they've clearly made this edition in recent times. It'll be interesting to see the availability (both region & duration) and the asking price..... Personally I hope Pentax do have another crack at the MILC market, but the K01's not for me despite its excellent IQ.
Rod McD: 1. Why is it that every one the manufacturers of these rugged cameras assume that the people who need them aren't interested in higher IQ? Outdoor photographers (hikers, climbers, cavers, kayakers, cyclists, yachties, etc) really value their forays into wild places and the images they bring back. Would somebody kindly offer a more serious camera with a larger sensor. I fully expect it to cost more and weigh more and I would be prepared to pay for the improvement.
2. Why do they all ignore two hundred years of engineering knowledge about seals? The internet is full of leak experiences and failures to honor guarantees. They could use a 1" O-ring on the base of a decent grip and it would be big enough to take an SD card and an appropriately shaped battery. And it would allow them to offer better specs. Just do it.
To Marty4650......I know full well that these compacts don't attempt to emulate a D4 in a housing (that probably cost as much as the D4). Your response suggests that there is no possibility of an engineering option in-between, which is completely false. Oldarrow has mentioned the Nikonos. Yes a modern day equivalent would probably be $2K, but it would be a whole lot better than these compacts and, to many users, a whole lot better than a black mastodon in an UW housing. Try kayaking with one of those stuffed into your life jacket. Fujifilm also developed a series of inexpensive water resistant heavy duty cameras in the film era that used proper O-rings for the battery compartments. It can be done.
1. Why is it that every one the manufacturers of these rugged cameras assume that the people who need them aren't interested in higher IQ? Outdoor photographers (hikers, climbers, cavers, kayakers, cyclists, yachties, etc) really value their forays into wild places and the images they bring back. Would somebody kindly offer a more serious camera with a larger sensor. I fully expect it to cost more and weigh more and I would be prepared to pay for the improvement.
samhain: A viewfinder would've been nice...
While you may personally be happy with an add-on VF that costs significantly more and blocks the flash shoe, my gauge is that more people would prefer a complete camera in the first place. Yes it would mean a slightly bigger body but there's no point to style over function. And yes it would still have to be paid for. However, it would never be lost, forgotten, knocked off or interfere with the flash shoe.
Sony, as impressive as the RX1 & RX1R are, please give us what everyone is actually waiting for - the interchangeable lens version. One FL is too limiting for most photographers. Please give us a scaled up FF NEX with a built-in EVF, external controls, and a suite of matched primes. I'm thinking 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.4 and 90/2.8 - modest speeds to keep them small and light. Best available AF. Environmentally sealed. No dearer than a D600. They'd sell. Thank you.
radissimo: Fuji just got lazy introducing "me too" camera. yawn
Sorry? - Is there another APSC MILC on the market like it?
Great! Thank you. I've been holding off, waiting for focus peaking because I specifically want to use some fine DSLR lenses.
The 16mm may interest me if it's IQ is not compromised to offer the fast maximum aperture. I'm into landscape, architecture and travel, so for me WA lenses are optimal if they are sharp across the frame and limit distortion and flare. I'm hoping Samyang have done well with this one. If it performs well it could be successful for them with these specs.
I salute the creativity of those who posted before me. It's all been said. Surely Hasselblad could have enhanced their photographic reputation by producing a new camera with the hallmarks of the brand instead of re-badging.
This lens (albeit a tad slow) looks like it might be good if Canon's claims about its optical abilities are borne out. It's just a pity there's not a first rate body to mount it on...... The reception to the first EOS M was pretty mixed. I thought Canon said that they were developing a Version 2 that was more enthusiast-oriented? If Version 2 is an enthusiast's mirror-less camera, good lenses might take some competition to Fuji and Sony.
Thx DPR. Looks interesting. When you take these sample shots, could you please consider including a few 'flare' shots - maybe a contra light, an artificial harsh lighting scene and a sun included WA landscape? Flare response can really help distinguish lens choices for some of us, but reviewers don't always address it. It's probably all the more relevant for fast and/or WA lenses.
Rod McD: No built in EVF (probably) or an expensive add on EVF (possibly) and a lens which ends up at f6.4? For $3,000? No thank-you. I'll stick for the time being with my G1X as my second camera - great IQ and slightly faster zoom. My future Fuji XE1s or XE2 upgrade is looking very secure indeed. That's unless there's a good, small and reasonably affordable FF MILC released (the NEX9?). With built in EVF please. Let's face it - that's what everyone's waiting for......
So did the MFT cameras, the GXR, the RX1 and the Coolpix A, with varying levels of expense ranging from modest to outrageous (Nikon). Add on EVFs are a woeful idea from the outset. They make the camera taller than one with built in EVF, add significantly to the expense, get lost, forgotten, knocked off, etc, and block the flash shoe in use. Egregiously bad idea. Just give us a complete camera in the first place.
No built in EVF (probably) or an expensive add on EVF (possibly) and a lens which ends up at f6.4? For $3,000? No thank-you. I'll stick for the time being with my G1X as my second camera - great IQ and slightly faster zoom. My future Fuji XE1s or XE2 upgrade is looking very secure indeed. That's unless there's a good, small and reasonably affordable FF MILC released (the NEX9?). With built in EVF please. Let's face it - that's what everyone's waiting for......
I don't know what this camera is (or isn't). This is all conjecture. What I'm pretty confident of is that the manufacturer who first markets a reasonably affordable, small AF FF MILC with a decent feature set, a high grade built in EVF and a matched suite of four or five small sharp primes will do well. They'll be running out the door.
OTOH, it might be the second or third one. Whoever makes the first one will probably be price gouging.......
AllMankind: What is it with Olympus and Panasonic, that they cannot make a rangefinder styled camera with a BUILTIN EVF?
To Vobluda - why would it cost more than a built in one? Same components, no shoe, probably less casing, less packaging, distribution etc. The world should consign add-on EVFs to history. Easily lost, forgotten, or knocked off and many block the flash shoe in usage. Bad idea. Sony and Fuji don't seem to have had any trouble achieving this. Just make a complete camera in the first place!!!
I'm still on the fence with a MILC purchase - using a DSLR and a G1X - but it's coming. Someone earlier described the desire for a built in EVF as "hype". So be it, but I'm also in the "no built in EVF , no sale club". Add on EVFs that cost maybe 30% of the price of the camera and make it bigger than it would have been with a BIEVF are a poor idea from the outset. They're easily left at home, lost, forgotten or knocked off and good few of them block the flash shoe in use. Let's just consign them to history and build a complete camera in the first place........
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