It's not for me. I don't want to go down in sensor size from APSC and I enjoy external controls and a built-in EVF. However, I can see that the 20 fps, high density sensor and a big crop factor will appeal to some. Together with the new long lens maybe those shooting sports or birds could gain a step up in quality from the long zoom bridge cameras but without investing in heavy and expensive DSLR long lenses.
Thanks for this - I'm still waiting to see an XT1 in the hand in Australia......
I suspect you're making a bit much of the issue of the locking button on the ISO dial. I change ISO when the light intensity changes (eg going form indoors to outside and vice versa) or if I make a lens change to a very different FL (eg to bump up shutter speed for a telephoto). It's just not that hard, and I doubt that it's so important from shot to shot when the camera is actually up to your eye. How long does it take - one second, perhaps two? Anyone who so desperately needs that second to grab a shot should have set their camera to an appropriate ISO far earlier. Anything's better than accidental changes.
And as for the inconvenience of gloves... Show me one camera that excels with gloves on. There aren't any. They're all woeful. It's just part of the digital age that they require dexterity to use all functions. This is hardly a fault unique to this camera.
I enjoyed the original G1X, and this offers improvements that will please many people. However, I think I've seen enough to know this one's not for me. The switch away from external controls to a touch screen and the move to an external EVF aren't my thing.
At a very reasonable $799 (IMO) for the feature set plus say $150 for the EVF, a complete Mark II will be around $950. At that price it's competitive with a number of MILCs and dearer than Sony's APSC 24mpx A6000 (with BIEVF and 16-50) also announced today. At that price point I think I'll spend more and get a MILC with BIEVF and a control set I'll enjoy.
Interesting that there's no 'reference' product for an FF camera - DSLR or mirror-less. Pentax execs have stated since the Ricoh takeover that the company is considering FF development and there has been endless speculation about the concept since. I'm not sure what we can deduce from this........ A lot of people have been hoping that 2014 would be the year.......
Rod McD: University of life : Water resistance is better than no water resistance, but..... - All fabric backpacks and bags leak. Sooner or later.- No fabric bag offers crush resistance worthy of the term.- Cameras in a backpack are behind you and on your back.I haven't found a better solution (for me) than hard shell cases, but they aren't perfect either. Only very few models can be worn over the shoulder and opened to work from without putting them down.....
To Andy and others - I'd agree that the briefcase style hard shell cases are more for transport and storage. They're not that good in the field as I inferred in my first post. However, there are a few models (eg the UK 609 Dry Boxes) that are hard shell top loaders that can be worn over the shoulder on a strap and worked from. They're light, gasket sealed, 100% water and dust proof, far more knock and crush resistant than fabric bags and right where you need them. I do use fabric bags when doing general travel, but if I'm hiking for days in wilderness areas or bad weather, I don't think you can go past something like a Dry Box.
University of life : Water resistance is better than no water resistance, but..... - All fabric backpacks and bags leak. Sooner or later.- No fabric bag offers crush resistance worthy of the term.- Cameras in a backpack are behind you and on your back.I haven't found a better solution (for me) than hard shell cases, but they aren't perfect either. Only very few models can be worn over the shoulder and opened to work from without putting them down.....
I've yet to see an XT1 in the hand or any image output, but on the design and specs, it's very easy to like. It really looks like they've got a lot right. And the sealing is a big plus for me. Nice camera.
I can't help but notice that the weight is creeping up. The XE1/2 are 350gms with inbuilt flash. The X Pro 1 is 450gms. The XT1 is 440gms without flash and body plus external flash is probably over 500gms....... getting into light APSC DSLR territory.
The researchers methodology seems to have concerned the short term. I doubt these conclusions in relation to the long term. I've taken photographs most of my life of family and social events. The photographs I have of my father, my brothers and my wife, all of whom have passed away, are precious because they keep my memories alive long term. I'm sometimes surprised when I look through them, that there are moments that I only actively recall when I see them - they jog my mind to recall the situation. I do recall them, so they're buried away in my grey matter, but I don't think my mind would be triggered to think of all those situations if I didn't see the photographs.
Thanks for the review. It looks good, apart from the feet - it needs retractable or (even better) fixed metal points for field use. I'm not sure how the standard rubber/synthetic ends are fixed onto the CF legs, but on the old aluminium models, they'd get pulled off if you pushed the tripod down into sand/ice/mud and then lifted it out.
The 190 is available in a four section leg version as well as the three section one shown here. (No-one ever mentions is how long it takes to put up a tripod with four or even five leg sections (like Sirui) when you're in a hurry. It seems take an age and I recommend buying the three section models unless you're very, very desperate for the space saving.)
I have to acknowledge the lens build quality and IQ, but TBH, I'd have preferred a smaller, slower lens over this one. I see the mirror-less advantage of small size and light weight slipping away a bit here.......it's almost as heavy as the camera body. I'd have been happier with an ILC version of the 23/2 from the X100.
The 27mm pancake isn't a substitute for a 23mm of modest speed. And before someone suggests buying a X100s because I get my preferred lens 'and a body for free' (as several have posted earlier) let's acknowledge that someone interested in light weight kit isn't necessarily wanting to carry two bodies.
Richard Murdey: Assuming that it is now competitive in the autofocus department (and the original was astonishingly awful in that respect) Canon can now go out compete with the NEX5, various PEN models, the tiny GM1, and the new low end Fuji bodies - which is more than can be said for Nikon.
Nikon chose to walk away from that fight, a decision that may have been the right one: at least there are reasons to chose Nikon 1, tradeoffs that may or may not appeal, whereas what Canon is fielding -while competent - cannot be said to have any originality or unique selling point.
I don't think anyone here actually knows whether a more highly specified mirror-less camera would be "bad business" for Canon or Nikon. The assumption lying behind your statement is that such a camera would cause a net reduction of their own sales revenues. That assumption might not be correct. It might indeed reduce their DSLR revenue by a small percentage (given that they're different markets) but might increase revenues gained by selling to customers currently buying from their mirror-less competitors.
Canon did say some time ago that they would announce an M2 in late 2013 and that they'd later offer a more enthusiast-oriented model. Well, the M2 is here, and perhaps the other version is still on the way - albeit rather late....... We'll see.
Interesting. It looks like it's going to be a polarising camera......... Not for me. Still not small, plus I'm not invested in Nikon glass. And 16mpx in an era where 24mpx is almost standard? Yes, yes, I know it's potentially better for light collection, but that much better at the expense of resolution? I guess it depends on your uses......
I wonder if Canon will follow. And Pentax - some of their forum members have been calling for a small bodied retro DSLR for years.
With conservative DSLR designs still on offer, this new camera from Nikon, and the Sony A7's, it really seems that there's some choice opening up in the FF arena. Pentax and Fuji are also rumored to be developing FF models for 2014 too. Whether anyone likes this D-FM model or not, the improving range of choice in FF has got to be good for us as photographers.
Thanks. It's a pity the drab weather has made the outdoor sample shots from both the A7r and now the A7 somewhat lacking in contrast and color. Still watching both, no decisions made.......
DPR - There's strong interest in legacy lens use on these two cameras. When you do the review, could you please also consider testing some adapted RF and DSLR lenses on both bodies? Perhaps a wide and a standard? ie Side by side tests of the same lenses at several apertures on each body? Thanks.
Evolution, not revolution, but sensible updates - making a good camera better. As someone considering buying a mirror-less, it goes up in contention. Still not enviromentally sealed though - something Fuji needs to address in future models.
Thanks for the preview. These look incredibly tempting - good feature set, small, sealed, high res, excellent BIEVF and weighing in at only 470gms....... Brilliant! I'll look forward to the review.
An issue for me is compatibility with FF DSLR glass. It's not yet clear how well the sensor and its micro-lenses (which are designed for short registration distances) will react to DSLR lenses designed for longer registrations. I'm assuming for the moment that it will actually be OK because Sony are touting their four A mount DSLR lens adapters. For the longer run, it would also be good to know their FE lens road map.
Just a Photographer: Too bad that the largest apertures of their new lenses are so small.
A 35mm lens needs an maximum aperture of f1.4 at least not f/2.8.Same goes for the 24-70. Too bad that its largest aperture will be f4 instead of f2.8.
Otherwise a very interesting move of Sony.
Fast WAs and zooms often have other compromises, and that's in addition to size, weight and cost.
Anastigmat: Sony should spend some money and hire a camera body designer because their new cameras are looking less and less sexy. This new body reminds me of the 1970's Japanese cars famous for their origami designs of sharp corners, like folded paper.
Funnily enough they remind me of 1980's Japanese cameras. Take a look at a Nikon F3 or a Pentax LX. I'm happy enough with their styling.
Finally here after so much anticipation....... High res FF IQ from a small, sealed digital camera with a decent built in EVF and weighing only 470gms. I can't envisage a better landscape/hiking/street/travel camera. Kudos to Sony. I'm going to have to start saving.
Major questions for me are : 1) legacy glass compatibility with DSLR WAs since there are no prime lenses yet wider than 35mm or longer than 55mm; 2) the native lens road map; and 3) the Australian price - I sincerely hope that it's comparable with the US prices quoted here......
Looks like a highly competent and innovative camera.