mike051051: ..so these guys are at it again? I thought they would have gotten tired of running the same scam over and over and over again, but I guess I underestimated their capacity for misjudging the market, promising the moon and stars and delivering green cheese late and 4X over budget. The Emperor still has no clothes!
Produce this stand alone and operable totally independent of any Lytro cloud or servers, as you can do with Photoshop etc, and allow it to be output in whatever the prevalent file format is for commercial film distribution is these days and I might change my mind.
These are very interesting solutions they are working on. It looks like it does fit the picture industry better due to their special needs.
J A C S: Correct me if I am wrong: the only video captured and computed by a Lytro camera is the one with the stills... and the rest is just wishful thinking?
Well, they say 300fps, that would be video.
crashpc: That´s what you get for small lens with large zoom ratio. MF is awesome. FF could "go". APS-C will get the duck and go, and MFT,where it breaks would still pass and go. 1" device? Errr, no. Not with these lenses. Please, do some better lenses for this awesome sensor!
And none of those fit in your pocket. This is not an attempt to make a FF camera. Its the biggest sensor you can cram into your pocket.
It looks like a 1 axis stabilizer, to rotate the camera.
I just shot some snowboarding and its pretty much not usable without a stabilizer. I have gone as far as I can go with stabilizer software. This type of thing is needed, and at $349, it sounds a little unbelievable. I debate a 3 axis gimball, but don't want the size. So, waterproof??? That's where things get even more difficult it seems for stabilization.
steve ohlhaber: No optical stabilizer? There goes any reason you could have had to buy this thing.
Yes. This is going to be used handheld. Nobody is showing up with a tripod with this thing. You need some stabilization. 32mm isn't going to help you somehow.
I think the average person wants something that is small, 24-200mm and a big a sensor as can be managed. The Panasonic zs100 pretty much nails it at a price. I think for people that need more zoom, the Sony HX line has been THE camera to get for years. I am talking about non pros with some money. I have seen people buy the Sony RX due to all the hype, and just hate it due to the small zoom range. 1 camera that can do everything when you only own 1 camera, that is what these are great at. Most people don't have 5 cameras, they want one, and these days, its one that is better than their phone, so it needs to be fairly noticeably better to the average person.
There still isn't really an in betweener. Something cheaper with a sensor between the 1/2.33" and 1". Maybe $500. I would say that would be the best camera for the masses ever, but nobody has made it.
Jefftan: for all the 1 inch sensor camera since RX100ZS100 is the most useful
in my opinion, the real use of small sensor should be big zoomI use MFT for the same purpose
long zoom lens for full frame or even APS-C is too big to be practical
Photomedium,Since no pro would ever use a travel zoom for a gig, the zs100 camera is better for the non pro stuff. I had the sony rx and the lack of a zoom made it worthless to me. If you take 1 camera on a trip and want to shoot personal stuff and don't like 1/2.33" sensors, that is the best option. The only other thing similar is Nikons 24-500, but that is twice as thick and $300 more. So, this is perfect for people that want some zoom range and better than tiny sensor quality. Its perfect.
nicoboston: Nikon is launching three 1"-sensor cameras. Why not. But Panasonic strategy with the ZS100 seems more logical IMO. I'm looking for a decent travel/backup compact and I do not see the rationale behind all these confusing Canon G*X and now Nikon DL cameras. I never had a Panasonic before, but if the ZS100 continues getting good reviews (so far they are quite encouraging), it could be my next 2nd camera! I may change my mind if IQ from these DL is very high above the other ones, but I doubt it.
I am in the same boat. The zs100 is 44mm thick. The 24-500mm is a crazy 90mm thick. So, not close to pocketable. I have the Sony hx50v and its the best camera I ever owned, use it all the time. I could deal with a slightly bigger camera and would love a bigger sensor and could live with less zoom. So, $300 less for the panny zs100 looks ideal to me now. Its pretty dead center for me.
Seems a bit pricey compared to the Panasonic ZS100. I want a travel zoom with a sensor that's bigger than 1/2.3". So, $300 more for the Nikon?? That's a pretty big gap. I owned the sony rx and it was not great for a travel zoom given the lack of zoom. I swear, something with a decent sensor is ok, everyone jumped to 1inch. That makes the entire camera too big now.
I cant believe I am saying this, but I want a sensor that is smaller so I can still fit this thing in my pocket like the sony hx50v. As soon as I cannot put it in my pocket, I don't care how big it is, so its going to be FF. Cant believe they didn't just go up a notch in size, they went nuts. Your travel zoom options are 1/2.33" or 1" not pocketable.
Franka T.L.: For me, the culprit of all action camera is their sensor .. Ok Pentax do now switch to a lower MP 4K Video specific 8MP sensor and that's great, but its still a 1/2.3 and the limited DR and low light capacity is really limiting.
I would wager with all these 1" sensor we have now someone could made a vastly better action camera
I would love to see replaceable lenses on one of these action cams. I replaced the ones on the gopro and its easy to do, they just screw in. I need that small and waterproof housing. I just don't always need fisheye, but mostly I do NEED that fisheye. So, The action cam market does revolve around that focal length. I constantly see people on dry land shooting stuff like a car race with a gopro?!?!
Bigger sensor means bigger and heavier camera...so its another compromise. If they went just a tick bigger, that would be nice. A 1 inch sensor would be a massive camera, I don't know if that would sell. If you are that big, just buy a P/S and a water housing.
This camera makes way more sense now that the price dropped to $200. It started at $400 and everyone just ripped it apart as it does not compare to other gopros.
Finally. I think the curved sensor is the next real breakthrough allowing better, smaller, and cheaper lenses for any size camera, not just a phone.
christiangrunercom: I guess that happens when you try to milk your established products and don't really innovate.
Yeah, that's not the only camera sony sells either. If it was they would be struggling too. And its after gopro lead the way there. Cant do 3d with the Sony at all. Dual hero setup, nope. Gopro had all these features first. Sony has the stabilizer, thats the only big benefit. They have been one step behind for absolute sure. So as far as innovation, clearly not Sony here. They innovated the stabilizer into an action cam. ok got it.
Disagree. Gopro pretty much doubled its resolution and frame rates at least every other year. Its unreal how fast they moved forward. 4k came out on a gopro before MOST other cameras had it at all. Protune is one of the highest video bitrates you can get in any action cam and still higher than most other cams. They do synced 3d with the hero 3+black. Its an action cam, its not going to make toast, they are improving pretty fast. Its just that the market is saturated and competition is high. Its still the best action cam, its just pricey and most people have one already.
Frank C.: GoPro is getting trampled on by the larger players like Sony, Apple just like Tesla will get (is getting) trampled on by GM, BMW etc...
Cheap gopro knock offs are killing gopro too. I mean, even the comparison videos are so close you cant even tell. The gopro does have the best set of features and quality if you buy their top model though. Its just getting hard to swallow $500 for an action cam.
I would love this for surf videos. I just hope they have a mode which is simply 2 videos, one forward and one backward facing. And I hope the price isn't over $400, but I feel like it will be.
GPW: Made my own. Went to Bass Pro Shop, got a pair of warm gloves and cut the fingers that I use to operate the camera controls. I had a beer while I sewed the edges where I cut, and there you have it.
Me too, I didn't sew anything backup though. Its a must have for winter shooting.
CameraLabTester: The algorithm for the procedure is simple:
As soon as the half press confirms the focus, and full press shutter release is made, the lens mechanism rotates 15 steps behind focus and captures 30 frames in 1 second, ending at 15 frames in front of focus. The DOF distance will not be constant because of focal length variations per lens or zoom setting. The key is the incremental rotational "steps" that would be triggered by the "stepping" motor.
There is no patent for this, so other brands would quickly come out with their own updates and software fixes of basically the same thing.
Panasonic was the first to come out with this kind of free firmware update.
This easily should buy Lytro out of business if it works well. Macro photography would be massively improved. That's an area where focus is a nightmare.
Why on earth would it burst at 60fps??? What if you need a half second exposure.
This seems like a simple concept that could have come out 10 years ago. Just get the nearest and furthest focal point, and do a focus bracket. You could use burst or whatever. Not 30fps though. I am baffled why I never see aperture bracketing either. I mean, come on, cameras should all do all these options its just software.