tommy leong: Very good review.
Made me re-think about my initial euphoria.
1) shutter too loud for my street/wedding photography
2) lack of bright lens native to its mount.
3) "I still don't quite understand constraining themselves with such a small mount that designing bright lenses might be difficult, just for the sake of maintaining compatibility with NEX lenses, but I can't argue with the results so far. "
sounds like 35mm f1.4 and the likes will not be coming anytime soon.
ZeevK, your argument about aperture vs price is valid...I really like the A7 and A7R, I would enjoy this type of camera, despite the EVF...With the exception that Sony plans to release their ZEISS 35mm f2,8 (two stops slower than Nikon or Canon top lenses) for about 2,5 times the price of the Canon and Nikon 35mm f/2,8 counterparts... Anyone found the loophole in Sony's Marketing strategy?Hopefully Sigma will adapt their "art" collection to the E-Mount (Hoping for the 35 1,4; the 50 1,4 and 85 1,4), and probably Sony will offer G alternatives.Still, a 35 2,8 at 800€ here... Okay ZEISS optics are distortion free, well, at such price they can be... not that it matters so much for a 35...
nicoboston: The purpose was also to send a big "ENOUGH" following recurrent racism issues in France lately (as the country is more or less falling appart, it's very tempting to blame others).Good photographers and photojournalists are not in danger. Talented people will always exist. They have to adapt. It won't be easy, but they have to! Everybody loves nice images. Now everyone can capture decent images with good cameras and phones... If everyone had access to good violins and pianos, it would be more difficult to become a recognized musician. It's competition... Don't give up, photographers ! Newspapers will disappear, you won't ;-)
And try investing a bit in other regions than Paris, Lyon, and Marseille (yes, in that order). Maybe they would not be their heads up their a***s right now.Anyway. Not about politics alright, but don't tell me the situation about the place where I live, especially not in these terms "the situation with Muslims is unbearable", the situations with idiots too you know.
To get back to photography... A photographer is someone who takes photographs. So yes, anyone is a photographer those days... A good one or a bad one, who makes a living off of it or not, well, that's another question.But as for photojournalism and newspapers, well, I still believe the problem is their approach. Some are better than others, but I find French newspapers to be very superficial and too focused on catching audience to actually do their job... Inform.I recently cancelled my subscription to Le Monde as they seemed more interested in covering political trivias on their first...
Anadrol, I am French, I live in Marseille. That did not make me racist.What about muslims? The situation is unbearable because of 40 years of bad government decisions regarding housing and education, in the prospect being reelected by taking the least amount of risks possible. And we, citizens, are all the more guilty that we go on a riot about anything and nothing, but we never did lift a finger to change the HLM building policy. Bringing all the least favored people in some sort of ghetto never turned up so well... But all the well thinking left-wing and right-wing politician think like you, it's not their fault, they're not racist, they just don't want immigrants and poor people down their doorstep. Had the government invested more in spreading low income population (yes cheap concrete prefab in a lifeless place is cheaper... on the moment, but you pay the price later on...), favored merit, instead of spending "allocations"...
"as the country is more or less falling apart"Would you be a "casual" reader of the herald tribune, by any chance?A bunch of racist idiots mocked the French Minister of Justice, Ms Taubira, by waving bananas (she's black...) from the sidewalk as she was passing. And again when she gave a speech.What you have to understand though, is that the government is pretty unpopular at the moment. So yes, you always hear more about a bunch of retards using racist provocation, instead of a good argument from the opposition or any authority in economy. Because medias, more so when the newspaper in question supports the party in office, don't do their job.They're going out of business... Well, I can't recall a single one in France that I enjoyed reading recently. All about the emotional, sensational, shocking topic is in the air. No real prospect on anything actually important in a democracy... Newspapers, by giving credit to political games and chasing scoops are digging their own grave.
Docmartin: No doubt, the EM-1 is a great camera! However, for those (like me) who want to continue working with the gorgeous FT Pro lenses, the EM-1 will still no replacement for the outdated E-5. I truly believe that FT lenses cannot be used on ANY MFT body without serious IQ loss until a better adapter than the current MMF2/3 is available. The material/build-quality of the MMF3 will for sure cause misalignment, flex and movement. Just have a look at Roger Cicala's findings and their discussion here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3553373
You do realize that Roger Cicala is the geekiest pixel peeper of us all, which is alright (I mean his blog is fantastic, and the content is of great quality), but you did notice that he is expressing concern regarding lens testing measurements which might not be accurate given the variations on the mount. Nowhere does he say that you cannot obtain good IQ, just that it probably cannot deliver optimum IQ.
In Roger Cicala's words:
"What Does It Mean in the Real World?
Like a lot of laboratory testing, probably not a lot. Adapters couldn’t all stink or people wouldn’t use them. Like a lot of tests, you can detect a very real difference in the lab that doesn’t make much difference at all in the real world."
MrTaikitso: In a first for me, (been on DPreview for years), am going to knock this review: 1) I had been waiting for the 70D to consider against a GX7 or equiv Nikon or Sony APS-C to use for video and prosumer stills photography. 2) Finally got to play with one in a UK store. Although the new auto focus system and the articulating display are effective, I found the build quality to feel rough and plasticy in contrast to other lesser priced cameras (Pentax included), the ergonomics were awful (had to use two hands in a convoluted fashion to make an adjustment to the ISO) and the video does not shoot at 50/60fps - priceless for freeze framing, as I could do on my Sony NEX 5R. Further & most important: 3), other users and blog reviews conclude that the 70D image quality is nothing special.
What bothers me is that this DPreview fails to mention the mediocre IQ and praises the ergonomics. A direct contrast to my own experience and that of others.
Actually both Canon and Nikon assemble parts of their cameras in China and depending on the model you get a camera whose parts have more or less traveled through Taiwan, Malaysia, China... If you really put a Canon 1100D or 700D through its pace, well you probably would not be that much impressed by built quality...And the ergonomics part, well Canon has more or less always stuck to a certain design, you like it or you don't that's subjective. Regarding IQ, that's true, Canon APSC sensors are lagging a tad behind at the moment... Less DR, lower SNR... That does not mean the quality is Mediocre.Actually past ISO 800 there's only a third of a stop difference with Sony sensors, and at ISO 3200 the performance is almost similar. I don't believe DPreview is much biased for Canon. The camera gets praised because Canon did a good job investing in their Video-DSLR feature, and yielded a good product.
Antimateria: Nex FF page 9...D5300 and Fuji mirrorless page one...Yes, the most important of the week...No coment.
"I'm paranoid... That doesn't mean people aren't really coming after me !"
maxola67: So is there anybody to explain to me why this camera considered as pro?Two moments why it couldn't be pro:- too small shots-per-a-charged battery value(aka CIPA measuremens)- articulating screen - how can you provide REALl water/dust resistance with such screen?
Well, they did reinvent their Medium format, which is pretty cool for LS. And their small primes and weather-sealed bodies tend to be pretty interesting in mountaineering. But in event/crowd photography, reportage, you'll see a lot of FF.
I do not mean to generalize, just that in a pro perspective, you have priorities and constraints and you have to make an investment accordingly. There are high chances that you'll end up with the above stated companies, especially given the instability, these two companies have continued support for their glass.
Weathersealing does not mean waterproof and recent cameras are pretty tough, so not much of a concern.
The notion of pro or not... I am not saying you cannot make a good large print with MFT gear, just that it is not best in industry (There are other advantages though).
Well, to be honest, the only things I would really consider If I were to use it as a professional tool (my way of thinking might be dated. I was taught to use a camera by my father, who happened to begin shooting in the era of fully manual gear... you know when you had to open the aperture ring to focus and stop it down to expose) :Imager size : Laws of physics... you know.AF System : Currently CD-AF and as it seems on-sensor PD-AF is not the industry's best.Sensor properties : DR,SNR, sensitivity to blue (I hate ugly skies and blue channel induced noise under artificial lighting).Lenses : What subject, from what perspective?Mechanism sturdiness.
Canikon still set the industry standard in this regard.
Hi, I am a bit late to the battle, but having owned 3 FT cameras in the past (still have one) I'd be interested to know (and not only for this review but future ones as well) how does the camera perform with long exposure shots.
You never post samples of over 1 second exposures.
I tend to shoot on tripod with filters or at night (or both), and there are some strange phenomenons occurring with noise and color rendering when making long exposures with digital cameras at base ISO.
For instance, my old E-30 is near unusable even at ISO 100 under certain artificial lighting conditions. On the other hand The 650D which (although not class leading) has a very good IQ does (much less though) still suffer with base ISO shots.
The 6D, which shows little improvement in IQ under ISO 800, still manages to deliver extremely clean long exposures. And I'm sure sony sensors behave differently (probably better given the astounding DR).
Give us some 10+ sec exposures in the samples, please !
Hi, I'm a bit late to the battle, and I know it's probably in your schedule (I mean at DPReview), but it would be nice to include cameras with older sensor designs, to have a means to follow the evolution, the comparison is just not as accurate when looking up cameras on the previous chart and the new one.I guess that really is a workload, so good luck.
Dear DPR Team (Mr Britton, or Mr Butler, if you're around I have a question below...),
Print mode is a great addition.
I do have a question though, and I did not go through the 5 comment pages I admit, so apologies if it has already been answered:How does it work?My display has a certain pixel density, hence in photoshop, I have been obliged to scale the print mode function of that vertical and horizontal pixel density.So is it actual print size when I see it, or is it print size on a 72 or 90 or 144 pixel/inch display equivalent?
Then I second any comment about a piece of fabric or fine repetitive texture, it's good for judging apparent resolution and aliasing.
I really don't care for this article... But seriously, the guy is journalist at the NY Times, so maybe he's good at what he's doin, maybe he's got talent, but an article with a few basic technicalities about the system, and then assertions without arguments to back it up, just to tell that "it's right to buy it if you really have skills" (a bit of self enjoyment there...), "that it produces pictures with IQ like nothing else" (I'm almost positive, yet I do acknowledge the benefits of Leica's M RFs made some photographs happen, that using SLR, MF, or some fixed combo would not get you any less quality), and then this "best setup", yeah... No, summilux is probably not always the best choice, it is the most expensive, sure.
AND: Ken Rockwell, as an expert? The guy that confuses WB and screen adjustment settings... God sometimes (frequently?) he's completely off...I would not bother the guy but I get why some people reacted to the way this piece is written, and it's not so unjustified...
Nerval: Congrats to DPR team for posting this this quickly. It does clearly show some improvements in noise performance, it's especially noticeable in the dark blues, cf the box.Mostly on par with the sony sensors, like the D7100, although the Pentax K5IIs seems to be performing better (no anti-alias to thanks I guess?)
But question : Does anyone know if it is a product of Canon's new line of production? Or will there be something that gives "more" in 6 months? (Remember the 50D, and the two step jump from 12 to 18MP, in which the latter 15MP camera lasted 6 months...)I recall some press about Canon investing in new semi-conductor lithography equipment for 2013/2014, and there's something about it in their 2012 AR, but I'm not sure.
hmm... Sorry, but I feel compelled to ask... A bit bitter about Canon? No seriously, I know Canon pulls out products every 6 months for its rebel series and every one year for their mid range, but this sensor being brand new, I just wondered if it was the final design for the 2 and a half years to come like their 18MP sensor was, or just a step, like the 15MP was.
Congrats to DPR team for posting this this quickly. It does clearly show some improvements in noise performance, it's especially noticeable in the dark blues, cf the box.Mostly on par with the sony sensors, like the D7100, although the Pentax K5IIs seems to be performing better (no anti-alias to thanks I guess?)
cd cooker: can someone tell me why some lens companies use x,x instead of x.x to represent the max F number? In this lens, it shows 1,4. Thanks
+1,4I was just about to say, not just Germans, all of us in Europe (except UK and Ireland) use the metric system, hence we use the comma...
Starkiller: A lens without AF is like a car without power steering. It works, but in 2013 nobody will buy it.
Eh... Zeiss produces top quality optical glass, that their photography department, for instance, then assemble in lenses, with almost no distortion, nor chromatic aberration, and most of the time with nothing-short-of-stunning results in sharpness, into well built, easy to operate manual focus lenses... I don't think you can reduce zeiss or leica to just taking a tax on lenses made for Japanese manufacturer... It's a bit much.And no they did not develop an AF system, for the simple reason that it is expensive, requires to make compromises in size or optical design and that anyway AF can never be as accurate as MF and people who buy these lenses use them for applications in which detail and thus proper technique play a preponderant role...So sure, not everyone will enjoy it, and I see very few reasons why I personally would shoot Zeiss not being (good enough?) obsessed with detail and technique, and sure it's not the lens for casual snaps, but hey, it definitely has a market.
BJN: It's too bad that modern DSLRs are lousy for manual focusing, except in live view. The retro manual focusing lens needs a camera retrofitted with a 1970's style focusing screen.
You'd be surprised to see how some people manage outdo autofocus both in terms of precision and speed using manual focus with a viewfinder and a good focus screen. It does take a lot of practice I suppose (I'm really not good with it, but I've met a couple of photographers who obtain astounding results, with minimum fuss).Truth is for stills, it's really hard to beat you eye, and only last gen EVF start to be decent. I had a Canon AE1, it had a quite decent focus screen, and with the smooth 50/1.4 you'd hardly miss focus.I find it hard to focus correctly on the fly with EVFs (screens or OVF styled), with a screen under 460K it's almost impossible, and even with 1M dots, the image is clear but depth remain harder to judge than with the naked eye through a good FF VF.
Biowizard: My last 35mm film camera that I kept with me at nearly all times, was a Contax S2 - titanium bodied, 100% mechanical shutter - fitted with a Ziess Planar 50mm f1.4. If I wanted other focal lengths, I'd shoot on my Olympus OM-1 and the assortment of Zuikos I had. Renenber, this Contax was my take-everywhere camera, and I wasn't interested in toting a "system" around day-to-day. The results of shooting Kodachrome 25 through this lens, even wide open, were nothing short of stunning. Even made my prime Zuiko glass look fuzzy by comparison.
Since I went digital about 9 years ago, I've been shooting Olympus with Oly zooms. Good images, nice handling, but nothing to compare to my Zeiss 50/f1.4.
I am about to invest in my next DSLR - and am VERY tempted to forego autofocus and zooms, and instead buy a couple of Zeiss prime lenses. Myt only quibble: Nikon's focusing thread runs back-to-front compared to Olympus & Canon, and I am not sure I could get used to that!
...Yes, you do get more MP, but actually, at high ISO past ISO800 both Canon and Nikon sensors have the same SNR, and although you probably only get 1 stop of headroom at ISO100 with the Canon compared to the rather mind boggling 2.5-3 stops you get with the Nikon (which you'd probably only use for signle shot HDR, and personnally I don't really like pulling the shadows, it does make some fancy scenes, most of the time it's over the top, but it's not any closer to what the eye sees, well that's debatable I suppose), I'd still would not call Canon sensors "Jurassic" artefacts... I mean at high ISO there's less than a third of a stop difference... Nikon has more DR, okay, but don't make it sound like you can't pull out a good size print from a 5DIII or a 6D.