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Pat Cullinan Jr: <quote>should provide the depth-of-field control and low-light image quality on an APS-C DSLR that you'd get using an F2.8 zoom on 35mm full-frame.</quote>
The aperture of a lens is quite independent of the format of the film or sensor. In other words, f/1.8 is f/1.8 whether the lens is placed before an APS-C sensor or a full-frame sensor. The intensity of the light striking the target is the same whether you have a small or a large target. The aperture is a function solely of the focal length and the entrance "pupil" (meaning the diameter of the circle of light you see when you look through the lens from the rear).
I hope everybody understands this, because otherwise you'll be making disadvantageous decisions or doing things wrong.
> The aperture is a function solely of the focal length and the entrance "pupil" (meaning the diameter of the circle of light you see when you look through the lens from the rear).
You mean f-stop. Aperture in optical physics is measured in mm. Sadly in popular photography, the terms have become mangled, so I usually say "aperture diameter" to make it clear that I am not talking about the dimensionless f#.
SunnyFlorida: The Nikkor 35mm F/1.8 sells for $180, the 35mm F/2.0d sells for $270 and can be used in 2 formats, Oly is asking $500 for this???
> The Oly is likely to compare quite well, even vs. FF (could even beat that old 35, at least wide open).
But the 35/2 on "FF" would be stopped down to 3.5 for a fair comparison. (Fair= same angle, same DOF, same number of photons captured per time)
OneGuy: It seems Pentax is applying the age old method of subsidizing the body (hamburger) to make some money off the lenses (french fries).
Being new to the various lens mounts, I'd appreciate a primer (or a reference to one) explaining the various acronyms the dpr readers here are sooo capable of tossing about.
DA are the APS-C lenses that support full metering and AF. You can mount any of the older K-mount (Pentax bayonet) lenses directly, with more or less limited functionality (K, M, A, KAF, DFA, FA, FAJ). You can also attach M42 lenses (with an adapter).
Edit: Forgot the Limited and DA* and possibly others ;)
Rupert Bottomsworth: Why would anyone buy this over a Sony RX100?
Elaka, noise at same output size is almost independent from sensor resolution. If you look at it at 100%, the pic with more MP will be also larger, so the noise appears worse (per pixel noise vs. per image noise).
roy5051: UGLY, UGLY, UGLY! Why on Earth have that bl**dy great lump on the top? Surely it is not beyond the bounds of the designers to build the viewfinder and flash into the body? Looks like it was designed by a committee!!!!!
I think you mean abomination, not abortion.
I hope the rating algorithm will be smart enough to detect mob behaviour and people voting multiple times through different accounts and punish those accordingly.
Also, there are cases where a post was criticised (or praised) a lot and then it turns out that the post was actually correct (or wrong) - would a voting be reversed in such a case? I don't see how it would be done.
So Sony themselves are switching to a normal hot shoe and Hasselblad "inherits" a hot shoe that does not match any of their previous cameras?!
They have enough money to design a crocodile hand grip, but fail to make the flash system compatible with their system?!
Oh boy...
Right now someone at Sony is seriously mad that they didn't go for the NEX fullframe and instead did the RX1. Ah well, there's always next year.
increments: Given the quality of some of the existing AF wide angle zooms, this is either going to have to be stellar in terms of IQ, or be very affordable...
Is it greedy to want both? ;)
> Sigma 10-20mm £326, Tokina 11-16mm £500, Canon 10-22mm £540, Tamron 10-24mm £350.
> Samyang 14mm £330
The Samyan g is a FF lens. While this is maybe of no relevance to an APS-C user, it does explain some of the price. (Pentax's APS-C 14/2.8 is also more expensive.)
Jan Kritzinger: I can't believe there are people on this forum who say no to f/2.8.
You will always run into situations where you don't have enough light. ALWAYS.
It's nice, but being able to mount a filter and size are also important. I can understand people preferring one over the other.
toughluck: In terms of DOF, it's a 50/9 equivalent, so good luck trying to get meaningful defocusing. It should have been f/1.2 or f/0.9 for the size -- while it would still have poor defocusing control, it would have been much better.
Also: Why is the lens and the bodies so huge? Sony just released RX1 which, lens included, is thinner than this lens is long. Not to mention huge N1 bodies.
> So 50mm F/4.5 in terms of angle of view and depth of field. BUT NO that does not mean light transmission changes, it's still the same intensity of light regardless of crop.
Intensity of light doesn't really matter, because it ignores the area over which this intensity is applied.
Better way to look at it:
This lens lets through to the sensor as many photons per unit of time as a 50/4.5 would on 24x36. These lenses would be equivalent and their images would be indistinguishable.
jaycob: First off let me just say that I am no expert in photography so please excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject.
My question about this camera is; Why would Sony develop such an great camera at a premium price yet slap a fixed lens on it? You would think that if they were to put a full frame sensor in any kind of camera they would want to open the doors to additional lenses.
Am I missing something? Please educate me.
I think it's testing the water for a future FF "NEX deluxe" (I call dibs on the name NEXluxe :D )
liquidsquid: Sheesh, if you separated the body from the glass, and made separate purchases, many of you who don't want to shell out $2800 would be singing a different tune.
How much good glass out there goes for over $1K? How many FF bodies go over $1K?
Not that I am going to get one any time soon.
You are right. If this was a camera with interchangeable lenses, many here would be prepared to pay more than 2800USD. But it's not. And I think that's why several people are a bit unhappy.
nicolaiecostel: So Pentax finally dropped the ball and introduced in-lens stabilisation. Oh dear, I can still hear fanboys explaining how much better it is to have sensor IS vs. lens IS.
I'm sure my sarcasm meter must be broken, but just in case you are serious:
1) Pentax has had IBIS in their APS-C cameras for years
2) This SR lens is for their medium format camera
I think there is not a single other stabilised MF system and if there is, it's not from Sony.
Gregm61: Last thing I'm gonna waste my time doing is importing all my photos "into" Lightroom so it can see them. If a program can't just "see" the dang photo where I have it in my computer (like Photoshop can), I have no use for it as a catalog system.
I tried Lightroom 4 while waiting for the CS6 update. Since getting CS6, Lightroom has just sat on my desktop, and I doubt it gets used again.
Hi LJ
First: LR uses a cache for the previews as well. So I am not sure where you are going with this.
Second: I don't want my RAW processor to keep track of my images. With RSE I could simply move or rename the folders and it would always have the settings to the files. I have never run into this "choosing" problem. Third: I don't want my RAW converter to be a file utility. I am disappointed at how bad a file utility LR is. It's gotten better, admittedly, and maybe 4 is decent, but I cannot run it (yet?).
Fourth: That is the one advantage to LR's catalogue system that _I_ like. It would be difficult to shoehorn a browser architecture like RSE's into allowing this.
Fifth: I want to be able to right-click a RAW file and edit it in my then-opening converter.
The benefits LR brings to the rest of my workflow outweigh my catalogue criticism, but it's obvious that the we have different ideas of how we want to manage our files. I'm sure yours is right for you and I am happy with mine.
Gregm61: Last thing I'm gonna waste my time doing is importing all my photos "into" Lightroom so it can see them. If a program can't just "see" the dang photo where I have it in my computer (like Photoshop can), I have no use for it as a catalog system.
I tried Lightroom 4 while waiting for the CS6 update. Since getting CS6, Lightroom has just sat on my desktop, and I doubt it gets used again.
Absolutely. I find that extremely annoying. I much preferred RawShooter's approach - sad that they did not carry that over when Adobe bought and killed it.
MrTaikitso: Actually, running a top end DSLR or mirrorless on Android would make a lot more sense. Huge potential for customisation by the open source community, and potentially, an end to interfaces that some don't like. IE, user could customise the interface using Android 'skins'. Low end phones like this don't need this, but pros love to customise their toys.
I completely agree with you (toys and tools, I would say ;) ) - but at the same time, I think it's not realistic: I just don't think manufacturers are ready to embrace open-source user-interfaces, let alone open-source functions.
The rule of thirds is just a simple way to do a rough golden ratio, with the benefit of being able to map the whole frame in one go, whereas golden ratio will give different intersections, depending on which side you start from.
EasyClick: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt NASA supposed to have technology decades ahead of what's available on the market? They're the guys inventing the science and breakthrough technology...By the same reasoning they should have a photo sensor that would only be available today on the market. I understand the article but I just thought otherwise... Maybe someone should send an iPhone to Mars??
This is the real world, not Hollywood.
An iphone would not make it past the moon before radiation kills it.
Scott Eaton: I'm not by any means a NASA engineer, but I am an Engineer on the IT side of things. I realize we're working with extreme data management constraints and 2004 technology curves.
My issue is why we're using a bayer based sensor when we want the most discrete data to come from our hardware. Why waste data pathing with all that interpolated nonsese just because somebody is more familiar with Kodak. We're taking pictures of other worlds, not snaphots of your kids.
Here's to hoping Kodak is out of business so they are forced to use better hardware the next time around.
I guess using three 0.7MP sensors, one for each colour would be better than using one 2MP sensor, but the alignment problems during the rough entry of the spacecraft might have been problematic.
I hope you were not suggesting a Foveon chip as a way to discrete data :)