Barry Pearson

Barry Pearson

Lives in United Kingdom Stockport, United Kingdom
Works as a Retired computer systems engineer
Joined on Sep 24, 2005
About me:

Photographic qualifications: LRPS, CPAGB

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I have no commercial or contractual relationship with digital photography companies, other than paying for the use of their products.

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Helle: I am getting pretty tired of Adobes CC policy - keep charging money from me endlessly. I wonder if there is another software that will do what Lightroom do and NOT as a subscription? Pay once - and update when I can afford it?

PhotonCanvas: Thanks for that. But it raises questions:

If Adobe allowed all the modules to continue working after cancellation, what would stop people subscribing to CC then cancelling their subscription after one month and having a fully working Lightroom CC for just that amount?

You say "a minimum subscription commitment (say 12 months)". But how would that work? I assume you are not suggesting that a full year would be paid in advance? That isn't how CC works; it is paid monthly, with no up-front large extra payment. (In my case anyway). So how could it be enforced?

And if Adobe cannot get the money for multiples of a year from the user somehow, what then? Presumably they would have to disable parts of Lightroom CC? Like they do now?

Also, note that Adobe pay royalties for the use of the Map module. They don't want to pay those when they are not getting money in.

Ask "how could users game the system to get what they haven't properly paid for?" Adobe don't want that!

Direct link | Posted on Apr 25, 2015 at 07:11 UTC
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paul simon king: Just been told that LR6 perpetual licence won't get any upgrades should any be released

Can anyone corroborate this this?

justinwonnacott: I'll take that as an expectation for bug fixes, support for new cameras, and new lens profiles. Thank you!

I support that expectation. It would be wrong for Adobe not to provide it. And I am confident that Adobe will provide it. They've been providing such upgrades since about 2004, when Adobe raw conversion switched into high gear.

There is no consistent history of capability upgrades being provided without extra payment. Indeed, I've seen it stated that Adobe's corporate accounting rules (perhaps based on US law?) prohibit such upgrades.

Obviously there will be people who want capability upgrades and claim they are entitled to them because of a history of "dot releases" that are to do with bug fixes, etc! That won't be taken seriously.

So, when seeking clarification from (say) Adobe (or here) about upgrades during the lifetime of a standalone product, it is essential to be clear about what sorts of upgrades are being discussed.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 20:12 UTC
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paul simon king: Just been told that LR6 perpetual licence won't get any upgrades should any be released

Can anyone corroborate this this?

justinwonnacott: since you still haven't answered my questions, it is surely obvious that I can't know what point you are making!

I'll ask the questions again in the hope that you will answer them. It should be easy for you to do so:

By "incremental upgrades" are you talking about typical intermediate releases that fix bugs and support more cameras and lens profiles?

Or by "incremental upgrades" are you talking about upgrades that provide significant new features?

It is obvious to me that, if you are objecting to lack of upgrades for bug fixes and new cameras and lens, you have a good case. And I'm confident that Adobe will continue to provide such upgrades.

And it is equally obvious to me that, if you are objecting to lack of upgrades for significant new features, you don't have a good case. And Adobe has the right not to provide significant new features that you haven't paid for.

There is obviously a vast difference between those two sorts of "incremental upgrades".

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 18:41 UTC
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paul simon king: Just been told that LR6 perpetual licence won't get any upgrades should any be released

Can anyone corroborate this this?

justinwonnacott: I still don't know what you are talking about!

By "incremental upgrades" are you talking about typical intermediate releases that fix bugs and support more cameras and lens profiles?

Or by "incremental upgrades" are you talking about upgrades that provide significant new features?

These are vastly different concepts. I don't know what you expect to get, and what you would feel ripped off if you didn't get it.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 17:48 UTC
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justinwonnacott: For me, I will use panorama in LR6 mostly as a panorama preview , most of the work I make with panoramas requires the layers and layer masks that the tool makes in photoshop. The LR6 version is not configurable enough in terms of output etcetera .... and seeing that I loathe the las vegas, trashy, fantasy look of HDR processing I will not be using that part of the software either.- So the upgrade is not exactly a compelling need, but you have to have it to get the upgrades before LR7 I guess.

HDR-merge in Lightroom 6/CC gives DNGs that do NOT look like you describe! (I know what you mean!)

Instead, it gives what at first sight appears to be a normal looking image. But the sliders in the Develop module have a much greater effect from left to right. Things can be pushed to greater extremes.

I think it would be possible to make trashy images if you wanted to! But that is not the default.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 16:48 UTC
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paul simon king: Just been told that LR6 perpetual licence won't get any upgrades should any be released

Can anyone corroborate this this?

justinwonnacott: WHAT is it that you are saying would be a total rip off?

Lack of any upgrades at all, meaning not even dot-releases for bug fixes and new cameras & lenses? (That would be bad).

Or lack of OTHER upgrades, such as new features? (That would be quite normal)

For interest, here is a considered opinion about all this, posted just days ago:
http://laurashoe.com/2015/04/21/which-should-i-buy-lightroom-cc-2015-or-lightroom-6/

I strongly believe, as Laura Shoe believes, that there WILL be dot-releases for bug fixes, new cameras, and new lens profiles.

But I also believe that, even if Lightroom CC subscribers get significant upgrades of extra features, those upgrades MAY not be provided to Lightroom 6 users. They may have to wait for Lightroom 7 instead.

I certainly hope that Lightroom CC subscribers DO get significant upgrades WITHOUT having to wait until Lightroom 7 is released!

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 16:31 UTC
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Potemkin_Photo: Anyway to download just lightroom 6 trial and not all the cloud nonsense?

mimot13: you said "That is another point which convience me that LR will not remain a Standalone application, in perhaps 2 or 3 years".

Presumably, a standalone Lightroom 6 downloaded now will continue to work for as long as there is a system to run it on? Surely it won't suddenly expire?

In that case, Lightroom 6 will remain a standalone product for many years if the user has no need to upgrade to Lightroom 7.

Perhaps you are predicting that Lightroom 7 won't be standalone?

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 15:18 UTC
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Gesture: Ricoh-Pentax is on a roll with model introductions. Just need to find a core audience of enthusiasts-advanced amateurs.

... amateurs ... with enough money!

Ricoh is like a cynical, cold-hearted pusher, ruthlessly feeding the cravings of weak-willed people like Pentaxians!

Soon they will all be living on the streets, begging for money to feed their habit. But will Ricoh care?

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 14:42 UTC
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Helle: I am getting pretty tired of Adobes CC policy - keep charging money from me endlessly. I wonder if there is another software that will do what Lightroom do and NOT as a subscription? Pay once - and update when I can afford it?

ACDSee

http://www.acdsee.com/en/index

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 14:35 UTC
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brian1366: Paid $79USD last night to download and install the STANDALONE version of Lightroom 6 Upgrade.
Sure Adobe isn't promoting the standalone version much and they put the link at the bottom of the webpage, but it wasn't that hard to find. A lot of whiners on here.

Rbrt: It is important to keep separate the 2 aspects: design of the product; and design of the download process.

For example, we all see the same product, and can discuss that design. (We may still have differet opinions, of course!)

But we don't all see the same download process, and don't all have the same problems with it.

Both are important, but mustn't be conflated because then we lose essential information.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 12:09 UTC
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paul simon king: Just been told that LR6 perpetual licence won't get any upgrades should any be released

Can anyone corroborate this this?

I can't say for certain.

But I would be astonished if it didn't have a series of "dot releases" to fix bugs, add new cameras, and add new lens profiles.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 10:58 UTC
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wolfie: So no increased MP from sensor shift?

I've seen hints that it may not be available as a raw file out of the camera!

If not, I would consider this to be a serious blunder.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 10:49 UTC
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Helle: I am getting pretty tired of Adobes CC policy - keep charging money from me endlessly. I wonder if there is another software that will do what Lightroom do and NOT as a subscription? Pay once - and update when I can afford it?

MarcLee: We can't even trust any software manufacturer to EXIST (at least in its current form) in 5 years time!

But what would Adobe gain by reneging on the policy statement they made about what works and what doesn't if a Lightroom CC subscription terminates?

This policy is designed to encourage people to subscribe to Lightroom, by countering some of their worries about what happens if they cease payment. They therefore have every reasons to honour that policy. If they fail to honour it, it will contaminate their CC strategy. They will lose credibility.

And what financial benefit would they gain by cancelling this policy even for existing users? I suppose they might coerce some people into remaining with their subscription. But I suspect a lot of people would then decide to make a tidy exit in advance, as a precaution.

If my analysis is wrong, I need to know how! I'm a full-CC subscriber!

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 10:35 UTC
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Helle: I am getting pretty tired of Adobes CC policy - keep charging money from me endlessly. I wonder if there is another software that will do what Lightroom do and NOT as a subscription? Pay once - and update when I can afford it?

PhotonCanvas: Are you aware of what happens when a Lightroom CC subscription is terminated?

In summary, from 5.5 and including CC/6, the Develop and Map modules are disabled, and so is access to mobile workflows.

Lightroom still runs, and the other modules continue to work. I've read that even Quick Develop in the Library module continues to work!

More here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2014/07/what-happens-to-lightroom-after-my-membership-ends.html

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/adobe-promises-access-to-lightroom-photos-even-after-subscription-ends/

(I don't know if it is still possible to import images after termination).

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 07:55 UTC
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Mais78: can LR make HDR from a single raw file?

Petak: You said: Do you both even know what HDR means?

Yes. And I thought it would be interesting to see what Lightroom did!

Now I know - Lightroom gets confused! It sits there with the right-click menu on the screen. (Or with Control+H just ignores it). No immediately visible error message. But then there is a small persistent "Unable to merge photos" message in the middle of the screen that apparently I could only get rid of by reloading Lightroom!

But I also NOW know from experience that Lightroom CC can do an HDR merge with just 2 files. In the past I've used 3. Perhaps I'll experiment a bit to see how much I've lost by using 2, since I have both a 2-image and a 3-image output of the same scene.

(I used the 2-stops-under and the 2-stops-over raw images).

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 07:42 UTC
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brian1366: Paid $79USD last night to download and install the STANDALONE version of Lightroom 6 Upgrade.
Sure Adobe isn't promoting the standalone version much and they put the link at the bottom of the webpage, but it wasn't that hard to find. A lot of whiners on here.

vadims: you said "What we see are not just "glitches"".

If the standalone version NEVER becomes available in those regions, then I agree that something more is going on.

But I also note that in other places there were people who at first thought that no standalone version was available, until someone identified how to obtain one.

I've just checked with Amazon.UK: it appears possible to buy Lightroom 6 from Amazon, and perhaps there are other places too:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00WAQ5NMW

And from Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00W5W7PJ0

I'm sure Adobe would like people to switch to CC. But (at least for many, perhaps most) places, they have made a corporate decision that Lightroom 6 will be available standalone.

Amazon.uk are also listing a DVD version of Lightroom 6:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adobe-Photoshop-Lightroom-PC-Mac/dp/B00M3YAIC6

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 06:44 UTC
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UneVache: Ok the common solution is to logout/login from CC via preferences panel… but that's not for everyone and I had to uninstall and remove many files including Lightroom 5 then install CC via download dmg, then change admin rights to several folders etc.. disconnect, reboot, etc… to make it start…

Nice article, though. But my question will be simple : have you just tried to install it :D ?????
And now that it works, what's really new ?
- it's faster -> absolutely not
- panorama : exactly the same with the standalone Photoshop CS6
- HDR : same
- Face recognition… oh yes that for a 75 euros upgrade fee and the joy to have a CC spy on your system...

What a joke, come on Adobe.

UneVache: for information:

I subscribe to the full CC, not just the photography version.

The reason is that I use not just Lightroom and Photoshop (and Bridge), but other products too, including Dreamweaver and a few other small ones. (I create and maintain my own websites, etc).

I needed to get updates of some of the non-photography products from early versions. So far CC has been cheaper than the alternative. But even without that, I like getting extra features when they are individually ready, rather than as a major upgrade every year or two.

I get both major and minor updates to all of these products, and sometimes a new product comes along that I wasn't even expecting!

I haven't downloaded most of the major products available to me: Illustrator, InDesign, Premiere Pro, After Effects, Fireworks, and many more.

I can see both sides. I accept that for some people the CC model is not what they want. I hope that Lightroom continues both ways. But CC is very good for me.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2015 at 23:48 UTC
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Mais78: can LR make HDR from a single raw file?

No.

I just tried it - Lightroom just went quiet with the right-click menu showing, as though it hadn't a clue what to do!

But it appeared to be happy with just 2 raw files.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2015 at 23:30 UTC
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UneVache: Ok the common solution is to logout/login from CC via preferences panel… but that's not for everyone and I had to uninstall and remove many files including Lightroom 5 then install CC via download dmg, then change admin rights to several folders etc.. disconnect, reboot, etc… to make it start…

Nice article, though. But my question will be simple : have you just tried to install it :D ?????
And now that it works, what's really new ?
- it's faster -> absolutely not
- panorama : exactly the same with the standalone Photoshop CS6
- HDR : same
- Face recognition… oh yes that for a 75 euros upgrade fee and the joy to have a CC spy on your system...

What a joke, come on Adobe.

UneVache: I think there is no doubt that Adobe made serious errors with providing the upgrade!

(Why? Did more people want to take this upgrade than normal? Was it over-complicated by the mixture of CC and standalone upgrades?)

But whether the new product itself is good is a separate topic. Some people appear to like it, once they overcome the trauma of getting the product. And some don't see the point!

As a CC subscriber, I would like to see more frequent upgrades, of smaller sets. (This is how I get upgrades to Photoshop, etc). But this would appear to conflict with people who take it as a standalone product, and presumably don't want to keep paying for upgrades!

Will we find that subscribers get smaller sets more often, then these get wrapped up into less frequent packages for the purchasers?

Or will the existence of the low-frequency purchasers prevent the subscribers from getting more frequent updates? That may cause conflict between the two types of customer!

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2015 at 21:46 UTC
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UneVache: Ok the common solution is to logout/login from CC via preferences panel… but that's not for everyone and I had to uninstall and remove many files including Lightroom 5 then install CC via download dmg, then change admin rights to several folders etc.. disconnect, reboot, etc… to make it start…

Nice article, though. But my question will be simple : have you just tried to install it :D ?????
And now that it works, what's really new ?
- it's faster -> absolutely not
- panorama : exactly the same with the standalone Photoshop CS6
- HDR : same
- Face recognition… oh yes that for a 75 euros upgrade fee and the joy to have a CC spy on your system...

What a joke, come on Adobe.

UneVache: You said "Ho I see, you got a free version lol"

That is the nature of CC. We pay per month. Then upgrades, minor or major, are free and easily obtained.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2015 at 20:31 UTC
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