Everlast66: So DPR managed to make 2 reviews of the 3 month old Canon7D II, with the second review written specifically for the .02 firmware update,but still have not bothered to review the 7 months old Sony A77 II. Even the 2.0 firmware update of the A77 II didn't seem to be important enough.
No wonder Canon and Nikon have the biggest market share if Sony, Pentax and other smaller manufacturers are getting treatment like this.
And the A77 II is half the price of the 7D II with 90% of the functionality.
So DPR managed to make 2 reviews of the 3 month old Canon7D II, with the second review written specifically for the .02 firmware update,but still have not bothered to review the 7 months old Sony A77 II. Even the 2.0 firmware update of the A77 II didn't seem to be important enough.
Jryskamp93: When can we expect to see a full review of the a77ii?
The were in a hurry to publish the Samsung NX1 promotional video before Christmas so no time to finish the A77II review in the last 7 months :)
Everlast66: The biggest Lytro problem is that they are trying to solve a problem that does not exist!
A lot of the fun when taking photos is to decide what do you want in focus and how much separation (or no separation at all). It would be much less exciting to just snap photos around and then spend most time on the computer fiddling with sliders.
If it was giving you quality (resolution, DR and ISO) comparable to APSC or FF cameras and in addition give you some limited focus adjustment to correct slight back/front focus issues it would have much more success.
The very reason for a photo to exist is to capture an idea, a moment, a feeling.
At the root of this idea is what is the main focused of the photo, what else is in focus and what is not. A good camera will not get in the way of capturing this idea.
My biggest problem with this camera is that is not even trying to capture your idea, but the whole light-field, i.e. it is counter-productive in capturing your ideas!
When you download your photos you will not end up with a bunch of ideas (some captured well, some not), but with a bunch of half-blank slates. Just in order to get 5% increase in success rate, you will lose 20% of your ideas you had at the time of capturing.
As I said if it could instead capture photos normal cameras do, but with some additional light data so that you can adjust the AF point a bit or the aperture, like latest sensors allow you to do with poorly exposed shots it would be helpful, but in this state its counter-productive.
The biggest Lytro problem is that they are trying to solve a problem that does not exist!
RadPhoto: Does anyone know if the shutter sound still LOUD? I have an NEX5n and I just hate the loud shutter sound. Why would a mirrorless camera have a loud shutter sound?
I've not bought any of the A7 cameras yet, waiting for Sony to transfer A6000 on-sensor PDAF to FF.I would be even happier if they made an A5 version, without EVF, and in NEX5 form factor, I don't even insist on in body stabilisation, just a compact metal camera.
From their crop sensor mirrorless I've got an NEX 5N and the shutter sound is perfectly acceptable, not too loud, clean and reassuring. I much prefer its sound to the clunking sound of DSLRs (with the exception of Pentax K5 shutter). I don't think it will be a problem in 99% of situations, perhaps without a church or a library, or other completely quiet place.
The second prize - you get to use the camera for 1 day,And third prize - you are allowed to press the shutter once :)
Rduval: I have the A7s and you can turn the shutter sound off but cant change volume. I assume the A7-II would be the same.
The A7s is only 12Mp and Sony managed to implement a complete electronic shutter, so you can completely turn off the mechanic shutter and its absolutely quiet.
The A7 is 24Mp and they could implement only electronic 1-st curtain and then the mechanical shutter has to cut off the light so this sound from the shutter closing (and opening again) can not be turned off.
The A7R is 36Mp and apparently it wasn't possible to even put electronic 1-st curtain so this one is the most loud as the shutter first has to close, than the photo taking process is initiated and the shutter opens and closes to allow the correct amount of light and then opens again so the sensor can receive light again for the EVF and back LCD..
This guy on youtube made a comparison with the A7 and the A7R.
To me personally the A7 II sounded quieter and more dampened compared to the other two, but his comment was that it is similar to the A7. Perhaps it was the angle at which he held the camera.
The shutter demo is just after 4:45 minhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYXXeH_BtRA
ecube: I have never considered Samsung as a variable option. This article convince me to at least take a close look at this Samsung NX1. I currently shot Nikon D800 and am highly satisfied with it. I am considering the D750 for my everyday camera and would have bought one had it have built-in GPS. Regardless, this Samsung NX1 seems to have better USEFUL features than the Nikon D750.
I'll keep my D800 and Nikkor lenses. Perhaps I could purchase adaptors for Nikkor to Samsung instead of making one by myself.
@HowaboutRAW"However good Samsung lenses are optically better than anything from Nikon, or Canon."
Ha ha, just in time to win Joke of the year award!
So let me see if I got this right, so the 10-or-so lenses that Samsung managed to make for their crop sensor NX mount that existed only for several years are better optically than the best lenses that Nikon and Canon ever offered in their many decades old mounts?
90% of Samsung NX lens reviews I've seen have been abysmal, with only the 85/1.4 getting a good review and being recommended, but not because of the optical quality, but the low price and build quality. On dxomark even this 85/1.4 has been rated as below average. Perhaps their latest "S" rated lenses, but these are extremely expensive for crop sensor lenses and I've not seen reviewed yet.
@ecubeI did not tell you to buy D810, but that this ponzi NX1 is worse in every aspect than any Nikon FF camera, apart from niche features like 4K video and probably one or two other small things. There's just no competition, and you shouldn't expect Nikon top gear performance from this NX1 (its getting over-hyped on several websites, which I suspect is Samsung's Christmas marketing campaign).
As for me, I moved from Nikon (5 years ago) to Pentax (K5, for compactness/portability and the unique Limited lens series) and then two years later downsized again to mirror-less cameras completely as I can always have one with me and that they improved significantly in the last two years. Still cant match DSLRs, apart from image quality in static situations (e.g. some Sony FF and APSC). I have been tempted on a few occasions to get a DSLR (D810, D750, K5 II, K3) but managed to hold off and in 2-3 years time mirorr-less performance will be pretty close.
You will be better off getting a second D810, why go down to a inferior overpriced camera from a different system?Don't expect class Nikon AF, white balance and exposure from the NX1.You are also not getting any significant size or weight advantage.http://camerasize.com/compact/#572.105,557.36,ha,t
I will not even mention battery life.
Samsung NX1 with 16-50mm f/2.0-2.8 "S" Lens is $2800, quite steep for a crop camera in my opinion.
Jogger: I guess they wanted to stack the deck by excluding the A6000, it would have destroyed these cameras, esp. when price is factored in.
@abortabortHa ha, good one.
This looked a bit like Samsung NX1 promotional video, rather than a "reivew".
It looked like they were only pointing out positive things, and then in the end just mentioned some problems that could be fixed in firmware ... maybe.
To be honest, I have to admit I skipped on a few places so, could have just missed of where they mention any issues with it.
SnappyUK: Kill it. Kill it with hammers. Take off and nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.
The previous abomination is currently appearing in an ad for Haig Club Whisky, starring David Beckham, who is probably the epitome of the demographic at which this product is aimed.
If they can nuke David Beckham together with the camera it would be even better!
Volkan Ersoy: With the new enlarged grip, I was expecting a bigger battery but it seems that they are using the same NP-FW50 battery.
In addition to being deeper, the new grip could have stayed a bit wider (like the original A7) if this would have allowed for a second battery to be shoved in there.
Everlast66: There is something fundamentally wrong with the DPReview categories!
So we have "Enthusiast Large Sensor Compact Camera" category here and the LX100 gets 85%, but the Sony RX1 also falls in this category with several times larger sensor and gets only 79%. Surely the sensor (even with an excellent Zeiss lens) can not alone make any camera a winner, but the designers of the two cameras had clearly different criteria when designing the two cameras and the way they are categorized in the reviews affects the results.
Then Panasonic have two cameras in this category, LX100 and FZ1000, and they both get the highest scores (85 and 82) compared to all other cameras in the category, Canon, Nikon, Sony and Fuji ones that are mostly marked in the order of 77-79%. Either Panasonic have been insanely spot-on with their latest cameras, a DPReviewer is a big fan of Panasonic, or the categorization system is not quite right!
What I would suggest is to put all cameras in one common group and mark each of their features (e.g. build quality, responsiveness, image quality, and so on...) between 0 to 100 in one common scale.Then because everyone is looking at cameras through a different perspective there should be a way for viewers to apply their specific needs/preferences with a set of modifiers (potentially predefined in categories, but editable) that will factor the above 'absolute' marks of each feature for each camera to produce a rating that makes sense for the viewer.For example someone looking for a portable camera will apply a set of factors making camera compactness much more valued, etc.Finally, there should be a way to separate the cost of the cameras in a separate parameter, because it affects customers in a different way.
There is something fundamentally wrong with the DPReview categories!
zakaria: It is pentax answer to any one asking for a full frame.
@yfan.... and in the end you turned into a data analyst and stopped being interested into cameras for the art they produce.
One Pentax to rule them all!