Cameracist: Great! Now make a body with EVF, a fast standard zoom, some 50/1.8 equivalent lens and a portrait lens. Then will the M system start to look really interesting.
@loitokitokWhat is this "wider" market for inter-changeable-lens cameras that you are referring to, loitokitok?
The enthusiast market is several times bigger than professional market, and there are no other buyers interested in ILC cameras. everyone else uses a mobile phone or a fixed lens camera.
Everlast66: The size of this thing is ridiculous and I am afraid it might make it unusable in practice.
So they are comparing it to an Arri Alexa camera that's worth $30k-40k, while this would probably be in the region of $500k-$1m or something like this.
Their previous 360 degrees "pin head" video camera was expected to be around $300k, so this should be higher.
And all of this to avoid using green screen or generate some questionable 3D shot through one lens, come on, bring back the green screen and shoot 3D with two cheap cameras.
Not surprising development for Lytro, they continue with the search for a problem for their solution ...
But today its 2016 and Lytro need to compete with much more compact, cheaper and very capable cameras.
tecnoworld: Perhaps in 10 years this technology will be accessible to many (i.e. tools small enough and storage speed high enough at low cost).
You mean everyone will have one of these rocket launchers ?
The size of this thing is ridiculous and I am afraid it might make it unusable in practice.
bizi clop: They should cooperate with Boston Dynamics.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZu04v7_hc
Boston Dynamics at least identified the correct market - the military.
I like this video best, where the robot gets fed up in the end and leaves.
rpm40: The Lytro Illuium 40 is down from $1299 to $386 on amazon. Hmm....
@BigOneYou'll actually get quite a bit more more for your $1600 CPU a year and a half after you bought it, compared to this joke the Illum.
On top of this the CPU industry is one of the fastest developing industries, with fierce competition between 2 big players, Intel and AMD, and now many more making chips with Arm architecture.
And you are comparing this industry to the field camera industry, that is going nowhere, no competition and the price is dropping not because of competition, but because no one wants to buy the products!
In the mean time Intel has made billions of dollars, while Lytro has wasted $50 million dollars that several investors gave them.
kewlguy: LOL, hopefully the M bodies/lenses are made by Leica, not Sunny Optical... because then Leica is just a certification company
Well they could've at least designed the lenses.
AlanG: I guess this is no different than the Trump brand on shirts. It is only about money.
In other words they've been certified by Trump :)
Let's see how Huawei advertise the P9 on their website:
"Huawei P9 Co-engineered with Leica"
"Huawei and Leica combine to create a stunning dual-lens camera"
"superior hardware and software with Leica dual lenses"
"The Huawei P9 captures brilliant colour, striking black and white and the emotional appeal of Leica images"
To call the above statements deceptive or misleading would be an understatement. Especially words like "Leica dual lenses" sound to me like a straight out lie.
Not surprising that popular mobile phone info site like GSMArena would list the P9 as having "Leica optics". That's just fraud!
"the P9's camera module had been certified by Leica but the German company had not been involved in development or production of the optics"
Shouldn't then the writing on back of the phone say "certified by Leica" instead of only Leica summarit, blah blah, which leads the impression that there are a couple of Leica lenses.
Wow, apparently, only 2 of the 11 elements are "normal", i.e. don't have an aspherical surface or special glass ;p
FuhTeng: E-mount ain't got no lenses! I need me a wide angle prime to shoot my cats from 6 inches, this just won't do for my needs! And who thinks f/2.8 is acceptable for wideangle! I demand a 16 mm, 4 inch minimum focal length f/1.4 lens!
And you also want them light and cheap ;p
The Illum actually started at $1,600 and also shipped in July 2014, so its probably closer to year and a half.
A drop from $1,600 to $386 is not depreciation, but sell off !!!
There are no buyers for this thing, so Lytro, or the sellers, reduced the price just to get rid of their stock.
falconeyes: All of this sounds great on paper.
Only problem is that this is from the guys who are known to promise rather than deliver.
Yes, and it is a low volume market, they are aiming at this time, so how many units they have to sell at $200,000 per unit to recover the $50 million investment. Few hundred perhaps, this wouldn't be an easy task.
spatz: If Lytro today have a 755MP sensor (with 16 bit colours, no less) that they can read at 300 fps, why do they bother going into such a niche area? They are many, many years ahead of anyone else in the sensor business.
In other words, there is either some creative pixel-counting, or these are fantasy numbers for some future product.
Another issue with such an array will be the sheer size of it and the LENSES you will need to shoot this thing!
A 1" sensor size is 13.2mm by 8.8mm. A 6x6 array, even without spacing between the individual sensors, will be 80mm by 53mm.
This is nearly 4 times the area of a Medium Format sensor, and roughly 2 times larger in each dimension. The size of lenses goes up exponentially with image circle diameter.
This was my guess as well, 6x6 array of 1" Sony 20Mp sensors. The only problem is that they don't capture 16 EV range and I've not seen Sony sell these sensors to any other manufacturer.
All recent cameras from other manufacturers that use a 1" 20Mp sensor use the RX100III or older version.