Everlast66: Ha ha, that was hilarious! Well done, Oly :)
I wonder when DPR will start giving non-DSLR shaped cameras top marks like 87-90%.
When are they going to appreciate camera qualities like compactness, portability, being public friendly and unobtrusive, and realise that many users today prioritise these qualities over 10% better AF hit rate, or being able to pull 2 more leaves from the shadows or balance well with large lenses!
I have the feeling that for DPR every camera that does not have DSLR form factor is automatically falling in a lower category.
One would expect that on a site like this there are many enthusiasts and editors wouldn't be that backwards!
Before I was getting annoyed by their reviews thinking they are biased towards one brand or another, but lately I understood that they simply don't appreciate compact, unassuming, public friendly cameras.
They just don't understand that there are people that want to have a camera with them without looking like a camera nerd or a pervert with a DSLR hanging from their neck or a square heavy bag on the side.
I would happily sacrifice a stop in the shadows and the ability to balance 200mm lens for a pocketable camera with a decent sensor, relatively fast lens (f2.8 or even f4 if zoom), several usable controls for aperture, shutter speed, ISO, expo comp or PASM dial.
@HFLMActually if you consider Flickr statistics, which is probably the largest photo sharing community, Apple is the most popular camera brand, followed by Canon and Nikon, followed by Samsung.https://www.flickr.com/cameras
With regard to the reviews DPR have their categories, but they never seem to give credit to a certain camera for being more compact from the competition. For example the RX100 III, falls in "Enthusiast Large Sensor Compact Camera" category which sounds fair so far. But then when the criteria are listed below compactness, weight or even something like true pocketability is not included anywhere in the list, although these should be major features in this category. The closest thing is "Ergonomics & handling" but then the RX100III is marked significantly lower than Pana LX100 although the latter is considerably larger.
This makes me think that even in this Compact Camera category DPR are using their DSLR mindset - chunkier and heavier is better!
Ha ha, that was hilarious! Well done, Oly :)
samfan: It would be funny if it wasn't coming from a legendary SLR manufacturer that still offers 4/3 DSLR lenses.
Yes I know Olympus has usually made smaller (D)SLRs than the others but still. First they leave their 4/3 customers hanging, now it looks like they're making fun of them...
I wasn't even born when OM1 was released, but I've bought an OM-1n from Ebay to enjoy and admire as a piece of engineering art. Maitani was a genius,
Sony A6000 looks way better than any of these two and is at the end of its life-cycle waiting to be replaced.
Shiranai: Its a nice move, but actually won't help their sales much because the camera is simply too expensive for an underdog in professional cameras.Here in Europe, Samsung NX1 is not even in the top 50 selling cameras. Even tho the camera is better than 7D Mark II, Samsung is some kind of a no name brand in cameras. They should definetely drop the price to at least 1200 € and put more emphasis also to their best selling camera, the NX500.
1200€ for the NX1 ?It shouldn't be more than 750€ to sell!
QuarryCat: same as Fujifilm -they always make us believe - they made the best possible AF - and I know AF from Panasonic is in most situations with low contrast or long lenses better and faster -and now they are coming with much improvement.That's good for us, then now everybody knows they are telling us marketing garbage.So Samsung is on a good way, maybe the next NX2 is a real good camera.I don't like the NX1 so much, even if dpreview and magazines praise it to heaven.There are not many good and fast lenses for it - Samsung has a lot to do.A camera is only as good as the system... (without adapter challenges)1. Panasonic/Olympus mft2. Fujifilm XF3. Sony Alpha4. Nikon 15. Samsung NX6. Canon EOS M7. Leica T
Samsung NX?Is this a line of washing machines or vacuum cleaners ?
That's great, so DPR and all other 4 users will be able to upgrade ...
Wow a great little pensioner camera!
Photo #1, what lens was used, I see no exif?
hehe, just kidding :)
Camera bodies become outdated so fast these days, that using titanium in such a body is a waste in my opinion.
Much better to use this titanium in a quality lens that you would keep for a decade or more.
You have to repeat in 2019, 50 years, half a century, would be nicer number :)
Wow, another problem crops up with that record breaking 90% rated camera ...
mosc: The A6000's combination of price, a-mount support, AF, and 11fps burst are good enough to render this camera DOA IMHO. I also think this pricepoint's market share is continuing to shrink. People want pro grade everything (which means telephoto lens behemoths), the size/feature advantage of mirrorless and fixed lens, or they use their phone.
I don't think A77II is DOA simply because its was never meant to compete or outsell A6000.They are aimed at totally different markets. The purpose of A77II is purely to provide a replacement option for all A-mount crop Axx bodies.There are people with A-mount glass that just don't want E-mount bodies, either don't like adapters, or the form factor, the performance, etc and this is aimed at them.
I would even speculate that Sony are selling these at a loss and effectively providing support to their old system rather than make profit. AFAIR they said in an interview that they are breaking even on A-mount cameras, and the majority of sales are full frame cameras.
And where is 12Mp FF sensor? Is A7S line dead?..
Sony are not selling the A7S 12Mp sensor to other companies and thats why it is not listed there :)
I think the next RX100 camera should adopt the HX90V style grip.
utomo99: The Sensor size are too small. The Lens not fast enough. I hope next cameras will be better
This is only an option for people that want a 700mm lens in their pocket.Today this can only be achieved by using such a small sensor.
mosc: This physical format still has legs IMHO. Sony just needs to pair it with a bigger sensor (like 1/1.7" or 2/3") and a brighter f2.8 lens. Won't go to 720mm anymore but who cares? Particularly if it's 24mm or even wider, it'll be too useful and too easy to pocket to sweat the image quality.
Not sure if the Casio EX-100 can be considered pocketable as it is quite large.
I don't know why DPR have not included EX-100 dimensions, but according to Casio website it is 119.9 x 67.9 x 50.5 mm.
Just for illustration, its 5.5mm thicker than Sony A6000 at 120 x 67 x 45 mm (without a lens) and likely will be exactly the same with Sony's 20/2.8 pancake.
BTW I like how Casio put the length there at 119.9mm :)
Everlast66: Large optical zoom pocketable cameras is where tiny 1/2.3" sensors are still relevant.
There is just no other option if you want to have 24-700 mm in your pocket!
And the EVF is another big plus and will differentiate from mobile phone cameras.
In my opinion the megapixels are a bit too many, 8-12Mp would have been a better compromise, but perhaps they need them for effective distortion correction and noise reduction.
If you don't need the 700mm reach or the EVF mobile phones are certainly a better option and alternatively if more control or better IQ is needed - larger sensor/body cameras, but why bash them for giving people this pocketable option.
Another camera where 1/2.3" sensor is still relevant is Nikon P900, not pocketable, but with the insane 24–2000 mm reach.
Cainn24,I am not familiar with the ZS40 and ZS50 cameras, but my thoughts were based on what Sony managed to achieve when they designed their FF 12Mp A7S sensor over their high-res 24Mp/36Mp versions.
If they could achieve a similar increase in low light cap. and DR in this 1/2.3" sensor, I would take the 8Mp any day, or even 6Mp.
It is the area of the pixels that is important and if the pixel count is reduced from 18M to 8M the area is more than doubled (even if linear height/width are increased only 40%). In addition the service areas in between merged pixels, that were not collecting light before, get included in the larger pixels.
Plus I have no use for 4896 x 3672 images and will always down-sample them anyway. Most images these days are viewed on HD monitors (2Mp) and even a portion of it. Even with an 8mp image you have potential to crop or improve the quality by down-sampling, especially as the low res sensor would have captured a wider dynamic range and less noise.
Absolutely, and this camera is only an option for customers.
Sony and other manufacturers do have plenty of models with larger sensors to chose from.