Fox Fisher: Why people are obsessed with sensor sizes? If you insist saying that APS-C is always better than m4/3 then Medium Format should be above all... Lets all go buy a medium format then.... as you can see comparing a camera with just a sensor size is irrational. It's all comes down to individual buyers taste and use and the end of the day.
Spec wise it's a great camera. It fills the boxes where Olympus E-P5 left empty. It will be painful to sell my beloved RX100 for this awesome camera with awesome lens selections.
There is no logic in using FF, there is just this simple thing " I use FF". If you think the FF is THE thing, you are far away from logic too. I use all formats, just each one for different kinds of shots, since some can do what others can't, while others are perfectly able to do what some can't. Even beside FF Nex, I will still have aboard a APS Nex and an RX100. So trading an APS for FF is the game to want FF at any price, with all the advantages and disadvantages it has, But you can't have it all anyway, except if you ow it all, and that is a bit more than a FF only. If you need that, that's again another question. For me, one more or less doesn't matter. What matters is just "not at any price". The "can all" camera, the real ideal thing, will never exist anyway.
Then, why do you ask others to not anwer to such comments while you do it yourself?
Shamael: I have seen it more than a week ago on a German Photo magazine, my first impression was, "heh, Sony goes 4/3". Seems that the alliance with Oly pays off. Sony works with Oly on the Nex FF, Isis on that new camera, Oly works on the lenses for it, and should show up around end of this year.
Stev Huff was fire and flame to anounce a "presumed" body price of 2800$, what left me react and tell him that double sensor size must obligatory mean double price, while you need not much more material to make a FF camera than any Apsc. One nedds to rememeber that RX1 has a lens that is worth the price alone and the body is just a gift in the combo. I wish Sony made cameras that sell and that anyone can pay for. This permanent overpricing of FF cameras to protect the Apsc market sucks. The 1500$ D600 and 1800$ A99 remained a dream and as it seems, sales for those gear do not boom as expected. Maybe one should review prices a bit and sell at affordable ones, not at "special" gear rates for 1% ers.
Oly and Sony work indeed together, and if we find the EVF in this camera and in the Fuji, it means that all seem to work together, or do we forget how many cameras use Sony sensors. FF Nex is on the way, will be anounced in September or October. Oly Ibis is in it. Oly works on lenses for it and there are 2 Zeiss ready to go as well. It has been question of a body only price of 2800$. But here again, overpriceing will kill the market, and all in all we will have one more camera for "the better people". In exception of protectionism for APSC and smaller sensor cameras, this FF overpricing sucks. There is no valuable reason for a FF body to cost the double. Lenses will be more expensive, but if Voigtlaender can make good manual lenses for 500$, others can do as well. On the end, why do we not get more manual pirmes to use, since all recent cameras come with peaking function. I use the Voight Ultron 21-1.8 on the Nex-7, it is just a marvel, and since I ow it i focus manually most of time.
Zvonimir Tosic: If this lovely thing came with "Canon" engraved on top, I presume it would be fully reviewed in, say ... 3 weeks? With deep apologies for not coming sooner.
you can not review this, it will be on the market in a few month only. Be happy that DPR could get an example to hold in hands at the moment. Then, there many other sites that review cameras, so on the end, you will find what ya look for. What one doesn't brings, another one does, it's that easy today online, and, you do not even need to pay for the magazine.
PicOne: Why does Panasonic use the (IMO) really cheesy "LUMIX" name? Does any other company slap 3 separate model names (or are these brands or what..?) on their cameras? Panasonic, Lumix and GX7 all on the camera.. spread about so they're not in the same spot.. but still..
have you ever thought at the fact why some rolls of toilet paper have pink flowers printed on and some others have blue ones? Do both no do the same job. So, who cares about the name, some are stupid, like a lens called Touit, or a fish called Wanda.
sensor sizes matter when you want real large sized billboard prints, then, they have the advantage to have lower noise at high iso rates, due to the larger pixel size. I doubt that a 48 mpix FF will make much better, or whorse, than an APSC 14 mpix, since on the end, both have the same pixelsize.Now, if I see a 20 mpix Samsung and the 36 mpix D800 in picture quality, in exception of the shallower DOF on one of the both, there is no reason to buy a D800 to make prints at 18x24 or 9x13 cm. If you want an example of if sensor size really matters, just go to Steve Huff's site and see the comparing Leica M, Sony RX1 and Nikon 1V1. He downsized all the FF shots to V1 size and compared. If you see that, you will ask yourself why you should spend 2800$ or even 13000$ for a camera to shoot a family album, or has the red dot anything to do with that after all. I use a NEX-7, but this camera here looks as the perfect birthday present for my wife, with, for sure, a practical thought on my side.
I have seen it more than a week ago on a German Photo magazine, my first impression was, "heh, Sony goes 4/3". Seems that the alliance with Oly pays off. Sony works with Oly on the Nex FF, Isis on that new camera, Oly works on the lenses for it, and should show up around end of this year.
I have seen some of the shots online, only problem, they mixed Baybridge and Golden Gate shots. One can recognyze Golden Gate support towers at their two eyed top end, while bay bridge towers are just rectangular top end, like the one we see on the shots shown here.
ARB1: Anyone using Pbase that has switched to Smugmug? I have been with Pbase for years and their templets are sad and limited, perhaps it's time for a change.
Pbase is a good site, or better said, was a good site. It is fast to use, but, it is showing clearly that those who run it have no more interest, except making money. No good predefined templates, no updates of the camera database, except sometimes for Nikon Gear. I loved to find a camerabrand and type, look at full sized shots to get an idea of the quality, but all that is over, since many years, Pbase does nuts on their platform to keep it up to date.
So, I seriously seek for another platform, and my main concern is speed, I live in the jungle, and here, Internet is similar to what it was when we connected by phone, 25 years ago. One of the reasons why i asked DPR why we have to click 3 to 4 times and change the page to see finally what we look for. Not all of us use Gigabit dsl connections. I can get a coffee between every page I open. Flickr is the most horrible, i wait sometimes more than 15 minutes to see one picture.
they should come back to 12 mpix and do something better out of that. Beyond 14 mpix, those sensors get just crappy.
apple is testing the 13 incher, and I just live with hope that we will see them on the market. It would open the world of tablets for those that seek a tool to work with. Everything smaller than that is toys for children. Beyond 5 inches, it is not pocketable, so, carrying a case with a 7, a 9, a 10, or a 13 incher, what does it matter. I will not buy a tablet until a 13 incher is on the market.Some companies have made 22 inchers, but here, I do not know what it is good for. If I wanna work on such a large tool, I can buy a 23 inch Cintiq from Wacom.
Just add also that no tablet without an external storage slot will ever enter in my place. I do not know what a tablet without external storage is good for. With some cards in a matchbox, I can have my photocollections, my videos, my bookstore, just anything, with ma all time.
take a NEX 3 N nd a 20 mm pancake, and your done with just 800$. That is all you need, and note that the standard 16-50 does the job as well. I use the NEX-7 and the 24/2.8 minolta with adapter, and that does all my job too. When I have none of the big boys with me, I use a Fuji f30, and that does the job as well. Have you noticed? all those cheap cameras do photos, same as a 15000$ yupie Leica gear. And, some do it even better.
Bali_Mirage: I wish Olympus would release a similar lens for Four Thirds.
this is a four thirds, dude
when the day comes we get one in apsc, I will look at them. I use a F30 with a housing, and that is a cheap solution. Fuji always offered good small cameras and correct priced housings for it. On the other side, there are 200$ housings in excellent quality made in China for the most common dslr's too. Those gadgets you test here are simple "vaccation at the sea" utility tools. For sure, it is good to know by tests like this one what's about. Some of them have serious flaws and are total misconceptions.
peevee1: m43 version does not have electronic contacts to communicate at least focal length for Oly IBIS to work properly, does it? Electronic aperture? AF?
There is no electronic part at all in it, there is only a little machine shop work and a piece of glass, and for that they want 429$. They are kidding. It might serve or not, I have bought similar adapters with magnifying lens to adapt Minolta A mount lenses on Nikon, same system with an aditional lens, for just 84$. There is no aperture control on it, so, this one would fit me, but not at a price for which I can buy a complete camera with a lens, like a NEX3N, for example. Metabones wants a lot of money for "nothing" in some way.
429$, pfffffhhhhh. :-(
cd cooker: single memory slot only. Waiting for 7D2 now.
In some way we all wait for a more sophisticated Pro version of a camera in APSC, be that from Nikon, from Canon, from Sony, or any other camera maker. After D300, there was a deep ....nothingness.
ezradja: Canon should at least raise the MP to 24MP, IMO
I would like them all to stick to 12 mpix and develop sensor technology on that base. I have an interpolated sensor in my Fuji S5 with an output of 12 mpix and I still can not find many sensors that beat it in many fields. If we consider the time it has been made, it makes perfectly clean shots at 1300 ISO, better than my NEX-7.
santamonica812: A shame about the SD cards. Difficult for me to just toss the $1,500 USD I have in CF cards.
It is my imagination, or does the 70D look like a majority of the most significant improvements will be of interest primarily to those shooting video?
I was more clever, I had since beginning a CF SD adapter from Minolta, it fits in very CF slot and it removes size limit. A 32 gig SD put in the adapter works on an old coolpix from 1995 as a dream. I always wondered why they continue using CF, you can put 20 SD cards in a matchbox, what is easy to carry around, and you can lock those that are written.
Paul B Jones: Looks like a great camera and bodes well for the 7D update, but hey, I'm sure the grumpy folks can still find something to be upset about.
They could make one in mixed rainbow colors, that wood look a bit more gay, hahahaha.
chlamchowder: I think a really good idea is to go to KEH, and go through the used DSLR bodies there, looking for ones that match your needs. Then, do a second check on other sites that sell used gear to see if you can get an even better price.
For example, if you're shooting sports in good light, a Canon 1D II can do a better job than a lot of options on this list, while costing less. If you just want a solid camera with good controls, you get a Nikon D200 for less than $300. Or if you're adventurous, you could get a first generation pro DSLR (D1 or 1D series) for a really low price.
Unless you're looking for megapixels, high ISO performance, or video, you can save a lot of money by going for the oldest DSLR on the used market that still fits your needs. And even if you want MP/ISO performance/video, buying second hand versions of new cameras can still save you some money.
I run my Fuji S5 with the biggest pleasure, I never bought any new DSLR after that one. I have a NEX-7 for mirrorless, I do not like the Fuji grear in this level for the reason of raw processing issues with the sensor emulation. Too many artifacts for me, despite that NEX-7 has some moiré issues as well, but the images are stunning, when processed with C1Pro.