kimchiflower: I wonder how the project managers & designers at Nikon feel after spending 4 years to produce such an embarrassment.
Their problem is they think Canon are their main competitors.
"I wonder how the project managers & designers at Nikon feel after spending 4 years to produce such an embarrassment."
They're probably looking for employment at Sigma
"Their problem is they think Canon are their main competitors."
Just a joke to keep up with the spirit of comments.
RichRMA: The Df is Nikon's answer to mirror-less, a segment both they and Canon are terrified to really get into, for various reasons.
I don't know...Maybe Df was the attempt to separate themselves from typical mirror-less segment but since Sony's A7's, they wil more likelyl revise the philosophy about the potential of smaller fully fledged system with slightly smaller lenses. Of course, this would put entry level lines of DSLR's at risk but on the other hand they are already at risk competing with maturing M4/3 systems. Interesting times ahead, I think. I can easily envision specialized pro segment parallell to "affordable" mirrorless (including FF) offerings in the near future from Canon and Nikon.
Mrrowe8: What idiot is buying this ? and if bought one you are an idiot Seriously what real photographer that looks at bang for the buck and great image quality , there at least 2 canon's , 3 Nikons , 3 Sony's all better in a image and bang for your. $ then this .., waste of time to even consider this hunk o junk
Astonishing conclusion in your short review. I think that I rather skip this one. Really?
InTheMist: Steve Huff's review is up. I find his review is closer to my own reaction to the Dƒ.
"I can have any DSLR or camera that I want and for me, the Df wins it. If I designed a DSLR for my own use it would be 75% Df and 0% Canon 5D. Enough said."
Man, the DPReview reviewers are real heretics. They also revealed decentering issues with S100 lens which no one else even noticed.
@ravduc"A reviewer should never be sarcastic." Or overly enthusiastic.
"Remember who pays you"You can always take your money and run...to what tickle your fancy better.
superstar905: Conclusion - Cons■Poor noise reduction■JPEG rendering of yellows a bit washed out■Electronic shutter can produce banding under artificial light■Video resolution tops out at 1080 30p■Default dynamic range settings produce slight highlight clipping■Slow 1/50 flash sync speed
Don't know about you, but the cons I highlighted above should have carried enough weight to knock the award to silver. I removed the battery con but thats another one, you need 2 - 3 batteries to run this thing for an event at best.
Thank you for explaining this for 1000 and 1 time.Maybe a little disclaimer next to award logo would put all this pouting to rest?
Richard Franiec: This fast and furiously progressing segment has possibly most interesting, ground breaking cameras in form of Sony A7's and Panasonic GM1. Olympus E-M1 is a solid, mature camera with a few refinements over the original, nothing really shocking there if it'll take the crown due to popularity among M4/3 users.
I share your thoughts about GM1.I think that this camera is more of a statement of what technology can do to shrinking the body around largish sensor than competing with larger, more feature rich cameras in the segment.I guess that GM1 will appeal to current M4/3 users as "take me everywhere" compact being able to use the wide range of M4/3 lenses, if needed. But the problem is the size of compatible lenses which will render GM1 not so compact.I recently put EF70-200 F4L on my EOS M and found the combo really awkward to handle. Not sure if the size of the lens is not defeating the purpose of compactness of the camera. Unless Panasonic come up with small lenses with decent F openings to fill the most popular focal lengths, GM1 might have a very limited appeal.
Richard Franiec: Possibly the most boring camera segment of the year 2013.
@fotokeenaSlow maturing (or as you said - plateau) will inevitably lead to stagnation.Would you rather be satisfied with the mature product evolving (or not) in increments measured in millimeters than breakthrough technology in, for example - sensor development? It will happen, it must happen. Maybe next year will bring more excitement, I hope.
What I'm saying is that DSLR's seems to be the slowest advancing segment. Solid but hardly exciting in comparison to models from previous few years.
Don't forget that Sigma has 3 cameras in the form of DPMerrill. Not sure if the other two were released in 2013.The DPM's are wolf in ship skin if you think about sheer Image Quality (sensor and optics). What kills the appeal is the performance on the slow side and lack of some features the competition has.
Possibly the most boring camera segment of the year 2013.
This fast and furiously progressing segment has possibly most interesting, ground breaking cameras in form of Sony A7's and Panasonic GM1. Olympus E-M1 is a solid, mature camera with a few refinements over the original, nothing really shocking there if it'll take the crown due to popularity among M4/3 users.
Sony's innovation pays off big time for second year in the row.The happy owners of RX100II are in majority in this segment so the results are quite predictable.It used to be Canon with groundbreaking S90/S95 to rule the segment. Now after just a few years of sitting on laurels the S120 sadly struggles to compete with smartphones.
The number and displeasure expressed in comments is not a surprise to me. I've always thought that in order to establish the top position is best achieved by providing the customers with superior product and service at a reasonable price- instead of worrying about the little guys trying to offer improvements to mediocre and overpriced product.
iudex: I think it is pointless to blame Jeff for breaking the camera or indicationg he omitted proper maintenance. Imagine a typical user of this camera: do you expect an average Joe to disassemble the camera, take the O-ring out, grease it with silicone every time, put everything back and after hour of preparation to go snorkeling? I believe he hust takes the camera asi is and goes underwater. Is it too much to expect the camera to survive one or two dives without going broke? I don´t believe this is what a 800 USD camera should behave.I understand that after some time the O-ring needs some maintenance, but in this case seemingly this was not the weak spot where the water leaked in. So no, thank you Nikon, I wait for a second generation, hoping the camera will be able to handle something more than a single dive before dying.
This would be true in case of any of the "rugged" compacts but AW1 being removable/replaceable lens camera requires taking extra precautions for maintaining waterproofing.
I think that Nikon should consider this: every time camera is powered up message on the LCD should read: "Check the condition of the gaskets before submerging the camera in liquid.Clean and grease as necessary" or words to that effect.In the long run they can save themselves dealing with many returns. Not to mention bad feedback regarding the product.
sugardaddy: I couldn't find anything mentioned in the original article. Was the supplied silicone grease applied to the O-ring at all, either first time attaching the lens or before the dip?
I know a lot of people originally wanted a dial of some kind but the zoom buttons act as a dial, which is pretty intuitive to me (I own the AW1). Buttons are a LOT easier to waterproof than moving knobs.
Greasing O-rings serves two purposes: 1. Prevention of oxidizing and drying up which makes material pliable and not prone to cracking. 2. Lubrication during installation between two movable parts so it does nor get stretched or deformed.Typically, fresh O-ring will come lubricated so initial greasing should not be mandatory but it never hurt to do it anyway. Proper maintenance during frequent and prolonged use is very important to preserve sealing properties.I find hard to believe that in this case the sealing of the lens was a culprit. Doors or to the lesser degree buttons gaskets would be the areas of higher concern.
It is funny to see M4/3-NEX crowd relieving themselves from the fear of Canikon large sensor compact not compatible with their countless lenses. No need to chew the fingernails up to the elbows, yet...but this time eventually will come.On the other hand, the giants might need something to wake them up or break the mold of the same ol', same ol' so let's see the responses as our contribution to the process LOL.
Allochka Emiliana: Is this Canon/s answer to Sony A7/r? LMAO
No. That is disguise to a big bang coming.
Richard Franiec: Since this camera won't be available in US and EC, perhaps it would be best to move "EOS M Forum" to DCWatch or canonjp. website.
Joking aside, the replacement for current model looks underwhelming in terms of improvements. Still, I cannot see better Canon small form cam/system as an companion to the Canon DSLR. As a stand alone system however, it cannot be highly recommended over other choices present on the market. Hopefully, nex(t) time around...
@GestureThe slow, incremental improvements are like trademark for Canon philosophy of making (milking) the most at the least expense. Just look at Powershot S90(groundbreaking)-S120(mundane) line, G7-G16 as well. These models get boring pretty quick when they have to face the competition.I still believe that very well thought and executed small form system is in the cards. We, consumers, can be very impatient and critical to what we see as failure but patience is a virtue as well. Canon is still the giant able to change the brand perception in one swing. At least I think so.
Since this camera won't be available in US and EC, perhaps it would be best to move "EOS M Forum" to DCWatch or canonjp. website.