amicus70: Art lays in the eye of the viewer.
I think it's out of discussion, that some of the pictures are a good handwork: right exposure etc (like the one shown here on dpr).
But I miss something special about the photography, too. Especially the pictures of streets - if they where mine I would have deleted them, because I couldn't find a trigger in them. They are just pics from the street, to much things in them to look at. You don't know where the core of the picture is, what he want to tell us with it. A picture of a half eaten burger with fries? The pics look like snapshots, just taken without thinking.
I don't like them, but if you... why not?
Yeah, there are many styles, and we should not too focused on styles alone.
I have seen some other photos I like more than others, but if everyone agrees on one style, then why so many artists with different schools of thought?
citizenlouie: I don't know, the second tip was shoot color for visual accuracy and realism.... None of the photos shown are visually accurate and real by my definition.... Of course these 70's photos were shot on film so it cannot be as accurate as digital on this respect, but now we have digital, which we've spent hours on tuning color profile and monitor (and if you print your own photos, tune your printer), we can (try) to get to as close to 100% accurate color and tonality as possible. The result can be very /underwhelming/ for modern viewers, who are used to super saturated color and high contrast that totally devoid of any sense of realism. I've been doing things in vein of "what my eyes see is what my photos look like" and most people just find them boring, often remarks like "underexposed" or "doesn't pop" or even "no apparent subject." Well, it's nice to do photo realism (I deeply believe in it), but realism doesn't sell.
To JackM. I know what you're saying. Though to me real is beautiful. It's a document of a point in time. If it's a gloomy day, the photo should reflect it. If it's a colorful day, then so should the photo. If the scene doesn't worth a photo, then don't take it. Beauty can come from something humble or something romantic. The key is to document the subject with proper technique, rather than to romanticize it. Any subject has a quality one can bring out. Whether that's a quality most people like is another issue.
Though I gave in a little bit, and now started to PP my work toward popular trend, but I do still mix a few real photos with "look at me" ones. The result so far has been pretty predictable. I do hope to send the message across that realism would be the time-tested beauty and won't go out of style as people's taste changes. Time stamp on the photo should be the scene itself, rather than the date you finished your PP.
I don't know, the second tip was shoot color for visual accuracy and realism.... None of the photos shown are visually accurate and real by my definition.... Of course these 70's photos were shot on film so it cannot be as accurate as digital on this respect, but now we have digital, which we've spent hours on tuning color profile and monitor (and if you print your own photos, tune your printer), we can (try) to get to as close to 100% accurate color and tonality as possible. The result can be very /underwhelming/ for modern viewers, who are used to super saturated color and high contrast that totally devoid of any sense of realism. I've been doing things in vein of "what my eyes see is what my photos look like" and most people just find them boring, often remarks like "underexposed" or "doesn't pop" or even "no apparent subject." Well, it's nice to do photo realism (I deeply believe in it), but realism doesn't sell.
Oh, to those of you who think you need better time management. You can do the "Day 1" scout work while you're waiting for the right time for your reshoot work. If you don't have time this year, do it in another year. Things like Yosemite's firefall only happens when the condition is right at the end of February, so lots of photographers gathered at the foot of the fall could be in for a major disappoint if nothing happens that year. A pro doesn't nag and get defeated. Just come back another year, what's the big deal? If you can't deal with disappointment and has no patience, it's hard to be a landscape photographer for long (and that's only the beginning. Nobody always applaud at your years of effort at the end also, so yeah, learn to deal with it).
vin 13: The most important factor about photographing landscapes in the West of Ireland is luck with the weather. Assuming you know what you're doing of course.
I'm all for planning ahead, though I think this guy is thinking too much! From experience, I believe that you need to be prepared to get the shot at any time (at your chosen time of day), going back and getting ideal conditions is a luxury that usually can't be afforded.
Everyone meets this kind of disappointment. That only makes the job more admirable, don't you think?
Yesterday I went to Point Reyes National Seashore with the intent to shoot just ONE scene (reshot something I had done a year or two ago). It's two-hour drive from where I live, so I had to do weather research before I waste money and contribute to global warming. Weather Channel said it's sunny, but it's not. Dense fog, no visibility whatsoever. And it's not 8 miles/hour wind, but more like hurricane like gutsy wind (I was about to be blown off air). Impossible shooting condition. I shot some random stuff so I wouldn't waste my trip for nothing before I left. After I drove off liker some miles away, sun came out. Did a U-turn and reshot the whole thing (several dozen bracket shots of different settings just to be safe). If nothing came out right, do it again. That's typical, and that's how you learn.... No pain, no gain.
aardvark7: With regard to aesthetic merits, each to his own and one can't argue.As to success, that goes hand in hand with individual taste too.
However, the essence of this article seems to have been missed by all but one who commented.
The author talks of perserverance and illustrates that by mentioning the number of visits to a site. To me, this is not perserverance, but rather making use of the opportunity.
99.9% of all photographers will not have the luxury to make such trips, even if they had the desire. It may be too expensive or they have other calls on their time. It is simply not an option and the only way they get 'the shot' is by lucky chance of being there at the appropriate time in the first place.
Any time the subject comes up as to the most important thing in photography, I always say 'Opportunity' and this article demonstrates exactly that.
Give most the opportunity and even a basic camera and there would be bucketloads of quality shots. Most simply don't get the chance.
Nobody forces you to be a pro landscape photographer. If you don't have time, then don't do it. Serious amateurs and pros will do this. You don't have time, then do a P&S landscape for fun instead. Are people going to laugh at you for doing that? But if you want to sell your art work, like all art form, you will spend years if not decades to first, learn your tools, then know your medium, and then shoots repeatedly, experiment and refine your skill until you're okay with the result. You may spend your lifetime perfecting your art. If you can't or don't have such dedication, don't be an artist. Nobody asks you to be one. Nobody can tell you what to prioritize.
I hear a lot people talking about which photo is better, but totally missed the purpose of this blog: landscape is not depend on luck, but careful composition and some perseverance to re-shoot until it's perfect. Many shots we see are not done in one day, but several days of work and sometimes several years of continuous reshoots until the final output is perfect.
I personally think the final result is better, because the background and foreground are not clustered. Each artist has the freedom to their own interpretation of the scene, but technique wise (the objective portion of the photography), what the author did was correct. Personally I would make the composition tighter (subjective part).
Looks good to me!
Joe Cool: He should've just shot headshots as planned instead of instead of trying to force shots that he didn't have the equipment for.
I believe that's what he was doing.... The name is just for the work flow (so it's easier to identify the person).
Lots of "pros" are very unprepared for their jobs, so it's nothing new....
He was being honest, that's a positive.
I believe he messed up (just an opinion), but for an interesting effect. It is a great challenge to the conventional portrait photography and it's a very creative thing to do, just not for the right circumstance. I've seen worse mug shots taken for the Olympic team, btw, and those shots follow conventional portrait style. They're just UGLY. Worse, I wouldn't able to recognize the athlete based on his/her portrait (isn't that what those photos are suppose to do?). This shot on the other hand is very funny and shows exactly what Klamer's goal was: interesting and shows individuality. Verdict. portfolio-worthy photo, but unsuitable for the purpose.
MattBrisVegas: One more reason to think of switching to a m4/3 system EXCEPT why are m4/3 lenses so expensive? I can't help but compare this 75mm f/1.8 for $900 to the Nikon 85mm f/1.8 for $430 (both today's prices at B&H). The m4/3 lens is built to cover a smaller image circle, so it uses much less optical glass. So why is it about twice the price?
Several reasons. One is what Marvin Clapp said, telecentric design. Second is low volume, like T3 said. I'll add more.
Size: It's not easy to create smaller lenses with the same amount of performance.
Aperture: 7-blade circular aperture design is common in m4/3 lenses. That design is usually found only in high-end Canon and Nikon. 9-blade circular is standard on all 4/3 high grade and up lenses (there are exceptions). That's why Olympus lenses have far superior bokeh.
Design: 4/3 and m4/3 lenses are created ground up for the sensor size they're for. R&D cost is higher. Most cheap Nikon and Canon lenses are designed for 35mm FF format, so their R&D cost is already amortized.
Resolution: Don't know about m4/3, but 4/3 lenses have almost the twice the resolution of FF lenses, because it has smaller sensor, so it needs that much resolution to compensate for sharpness. That means the glass have to be higher quality. Lots of ED glasses are used.
Nice, a photo shows how it performs with a Panasonic camera. :-) WB is incorrect. Nose is out of focus.
I appreciate this photo to show high dynamic range situation at night, which is the nastiest of all lighting situations since we tend to overlook that problem. Aperture choice again is pretty bad. CA is expected, especially in the out of focus area. It's a matter of how bad it is, and how easily one can correct it with software. It looks like the person who shot this intentionally over-exposed the photo by 1 stop. Given this is ISO 6400 photo, the performance is admirable. I just don't agree with the DoF choice (the "Ice Cream" sign should be completely within DoF. Dog sign is fine to leave it OoF to show CA performance).
That issue is already shown in one of the Olympus's official sample. The fringe is a non-simple kind with double rings.... Appeared to be some sort of over-correcting with software (Olympus needs to refine their processing engine to handle this lens). Everything else is pretty good, given how badly exposed this photo is. DoF choice is just nasty.
Those are not fruits, btw. Those are flower buds of fuchsia.
For those mentioned about bad review photos, I tend to agree with you. I think the DoF choices are pretty bad for many of the portraits. DoF should be enough to cover both the nose and eyes, not wide open for every shot. As for overexposure on dog portrait. I think it's fine. We do need a few over exposed shots to show the lens's CA (or lack of). There should be more photos about bokeh and light spheres and light stars, we we get to know every character of the lens. Sharpness of this lens is a given (it's an Olympus HG), but bokeh quality, the second most important character of a lens, should also be shown before I would consider the lens.
Yes, they should go for a meeting and create a chart of goals need to accomplished. They need one photo for each possible real world scenario, each with a variation of using wide open and best aperture of the lens. With different lighting scenarios.
citizenlouie: Is the youngest sister in Downton Abbey Sybil or Edith? Because I really need to know your judging criteria. :o)
Thank you for treating my question seriously. ;-) It's charming to meet a fellow Downton Abbey fan on DPR. Yeah, I can't wait to see the rest of Season 2. Season 3 is announced. Yay!
I have a photo lost its Explore status on Flickr, so I guess I'll try my luck to redeem its honor.
It's just a Downton Abbey joke type of thing. But I agree, each is beautiful in their own way (though I find Edith scheming...). Sybil has some inner strength with her. Mary is very elegant, but she is kind of opposite of Sybil, because she appears to be strong, but she is actually more vulnerable than the other two. :-) I just finished Season 2 Disc 1, so don't spoil too much detail! :-D Yes, Anna is lovely, loyal, ambitious and faithful.
Let's see if I can find some photo that would exhibit inner beauty (this conversation actually is helpful). :-D
Is the youngest sister in Downton Abbey Sybil or Edith? Because I really need to know your judging criteria. :o)
citizenlouie: It does work for landscape orientation photos, but doesn't work too well for portrait orientation photos. Still, it's a nice upgrade. My photos are meant to be viewed super size, and I appreciate Flickr makes my photos look better now.
I just wish in the photostream view will be upgraded to "justified view."
Yes, they just did! That's so great. And they center-aligned the portrait photo also. It looks so much better. Thanks. :-)
It does work for landscape orientation photos, but doesn't work too well for portrait orientation photos. Still, it's a nice upgrade. My photos are meant to be viewed super size, and I appreciate Flickr makes my photos look better now.