Wally Brooks: Tom Hogan had an interesting point that the commercial users would be happy with cloud pricing. It's the individual user who won't like it. I personally plan to get the latest boxd version of Photoshop - not the entire CS suite- and that will be my last Adobe purchase. If the functionality won't work in three years it would be time to move elsewhere Gimp or Apeture.
Others here have noted that. A web design company, graphics studio may not mind, getting access to the full suite of programs, having the resources to constantly upgrade computing power, etc. There was a time when the elegance and smallest possible footprint of a program mattered. I use programs still in Apple's Classic mode that in many ways have never been bettered.
anthony mazzeri: I just signed up for it.
I swore CS4 was my last ever Adobe upgrade because it was a rort of $1000 or more basically every 18 months or so for the Design Suite. So coming from CS4 the monthly offer is $29.99 for the first year basically to upgrade to CS6 now, and CS7 due in July - which is more acceptable than previously even if I don't even plan to use all their included web and video apps like Premiere or Dreamweaver etc.
See what happens in a year's time in terms of competition and pricing etc, as I can always revert to CS4 again.
But it only makes sense of you use multiple apps like Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign etc. If you only use one app like Lightroom as many people here do, then the situaton is the opposite.
It seems like some sort of Reader program for each application would be appropriate. Like Adobe Reader. Used to be more common in the software world. You'd create a file in a given program and be able to share a readable version with someone.
frng: In small business terms:Previously, the Adobe software was an assetNow, it will be an expense.This has HUGE implications for MOST creative businesses, like photog, architects, graphic designers, etc.98% of these are small companies, who cannot afford a regular expense like this. Its a shame for Adobe as their products (esp. the suits) are reasonably well integrated products...RIP
I would go a step further.
As I posted elsewhere, many independent artists, photographers, graphic designers, desktop publishers, web page writers will need these programs, but not be able to afford them. I think this model will really pinch the lower-earning folks in any of these disciplines. It takes a critical mass of work/revenue to support this model. So newcomers, part-timers, etc will have a hard time establishing themselves.
It only costs $600 a year to have full access to the programs, but you must also have the computer processing power to support these advanced programs.
OBI656: The point is, that this concept is very good for very few but no good to many. Overwhelming majority of photographers ( just look how many cameras CANON / NIKON / SONY etc., is selling ) is using Photoshop and these photographers with all updates for DSLR’s and lenses expensive hardware are prone to saving their money.
ADOBE is using trickery with all these so call updates since there are plug-ins for camera shake etc + etc which come a way much cheaper than CC monthly payment.
ADOBE should insure one thing. 100% compatibility, processing speed of Photoshop and stop evicting small plugin developers from their segment of business.
There is sooo many predictions what will happen about this CC “concept” but I am saying that ADOBE will feel it. There will be a strong decline from photographers to update. There will be huge effort from developers to fill in where ADOBE left.
Everyone doesn't need the latest and greatest. There was a time when elegance and economy was valued in software development and performance. I always want the much efficient and elegant solution for my needs-not the kitchen sink approach. But anyone who uses these programs for their living will obviously abide adobe.
FranciscoJG: I don't understand and never will understand how these gentlemen want to remain owners of something that I "forced" to buy if I want to make use of it. Bought a use license, it is mine. I will never work in the cloud, will never be owner of something even though I pay does not seem to me to belong. The rules of this game are not like this. The money is mine, the terms may be agreed, but never decided unilaterally in this way. And how spent my money to me belongs to decide. Digital photography existed before the CS and will exist without it. In these terms, nothing I want from this company. Their ridiculously high prices are not pleasent.
There was a time when no one owned their home phone. We had to rent it from the phone company.
DotCom Editor: This is horrendous reporting. Not a single tough question. No meaty follow-up questions. Nothing pithy.
-- How many users does Adobe expect to lose as a result of this strategy? How was that figured in? -- What about longtime loyal users who can't afford this scheme? -- What is Corel's reaction? Does it plan to step up marketing Paintshop Pro? What about other competitors with photo-editing programs?-- Has anyone chased down former Adobe executives for their opinions?-- What about the Wall Street analysts who follow Adobe?-- What about Edelman, Adobe's PR agency? How are they handling the backlash?-- And many more...
I've been doing technology journalism for decades and knew the founders of Adobe -- Chuck Geschke and John Warnock very well, writing numerous stories about them over the years. Who's chasing them down for their reaction to their company's arrogant, money-grubbing scheme?
This is very big news, people are outraged, and no one is chasing the REAL story.
Interesting to see what Michael Reichmann writes about this. He is close, I believe, to Thomas Knoll.
Has Thomas Knoll spoken on this?
rallyfan: Much worse than I expected; much more disconnected. He fails to admit that in a professional environment the latest version of a software package is a liability, not a benefit. New versions haven't been tested in the environment. He understands this, but doesn't address it -- or rather tries to make a drawback into a benefit -- because it suits his purposes.
It doesn't suit ours.
Exactly. No pro upgrades to the latest of anything without keeping a working backup of the previous iteration.
Either non-professional customers will essentially be jettisoned or this may evolve to more of a cell-phone model, where one pays by how much they use a program (ping tracking?). Why should someone who uses only one program rather infrequently as opposed to a professional using multiple programs hours a day pay the same monthly fee. At least with a cell phone, you can dial down somewhat. I wouldn't even want to work with the full program-more complex, more processor intensive than I need.
This has been coming on. Can only buy certain programs through a download. Even new Apple computers now come without Install Disks. Etc. I have 20-year computers and programs I can use to this day But the future will be different for any major software program.
Clint Dunn: The funniest thing about the litany of complaints here is that the majority of you don't pay for the SW...you use pirated copies. Go ahead...tell me I'm wrong:) For every Pro out there with a legit copy of PS is a 'Pro' doing $500 weddings on weekends with $2000 of SW they got off a torrent site.
Please speak for yourself. In the old days, many of us would get Photoshop with a scanner or printer, then buy upgrades. I probably have 3 legitimate copies of Photoshop 4 or 5, for example. I have multiples of Photoshop Elements, same way. And, no, you couldn't use with just the scanner. In the old days, when there were several of each type of program, there used to also be something called Competitive Upgrades. Purchase Illustrator and Canvas would be at a reduced price.
I'll hear a roar, but why should the student and educator get a better price.
Newtune3: Spent 7 years learning it and 7 years hating how they treated customers. Upgrade or your new camera will not work. Sorry Adobe you are not the only game in town and I for one have spent my last dime on your products. The new business model is gaurantee that every consumer spends money on my product each and every month or it stops working. That is good work if you can get it. And, and everything is in the cloud. We are then not even able to be self sufficient if we so chose. Wow, you all got guts I will say that for you Adobe. Just like the Federal Government, they will take care of everything we need, trust us.
We used to rent our phones by the month, until it was determined that the user could purchase his or her own phone. Of course, cell phones made it almost moot.
Leon V: I own a Nikon D800 camera and Camera Raw 6 in Photoshop CS6 supports this camera. I will not need to switch to the CC because I have what I need for the rest of my life. Looks like no more photoshop updates. Big mistake Adobe.
"Once you upgrade your OS, it's not a given that the new OS will support CS6 (this comment applies to those below who plan to use CS3 "forever" as well). " Not quite the same on the Mac. Once an application is Intel compatible, it should last many OS upgrades until Apple should change its core processor.
mike earussi: I think this will cost Adobe a lot as, instead of increasing revenue, all it will really do is encourage most advanced amateurs (and some professionals) to find alternative PP software like GIMP, which is free. I own CS6 but will never pay $20-$40/month for their package. Only the handful of professionals who require the latest and greatest will ever subscribe. I'm guessing they'll lose 50% or more of their customer base inside of two years.
Such programs could migrate to pay per use. This flat pricing is sustainable by those earning a living with the programs, less likely the advanced amateurs/hobbyists.
John Usa: I do not like this poor Adobe decision, and I will definitely use another software as I HATE cloud computing. I will never use cloud software.Adobe is going to be very sorry with this ridiculous decision.
Every graphic designer, web page builder, etc. will go along.
BaldCol: Oh well. No new versions for me. But then CS3 does everything I want anyway.
On the Mac, Snow Leopard is the driving line. With 10.6.8, you can use any earlier PPC program. In Tiger with Classic, we could go back to programs written for a Mac Plus!
onlooker: I guess I am one of the very few here that see nothing wrong with the cloud-based software (you do install it on your disk, after all). There are a few issues, though:
* A lot of users (like me) do not upgrade every new release, so this pricing is considerably more expensive.
* Since Lightroom will also be a part of Creative Cloud, do you have to pay $50 to get it, or just $20 that you would for Photoshop? Those two applications are part of the same workflow.
* What programs are actually a part of the Creative Cloud? Will I end up having to buy CC and then separately eLearning Suite or Tech Publishing Suite?That's what this page seems to suggest: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/tools-and-services.html.
Not sure it actually works like that. In a Cloud environment, you are essentially asking permission every time you work with the software. I think, even now, with Adobe you must activate applications through an Internet connections.
Photoshop Elements does all I need as a hobbyist. Those who earn a living from these programs, obviously will abide. New era for computing.
I think the book was called Shooting Stars, Grace Kelly on the cover. The good old days when everyone aspired to a Rolleiflex.