rallyfan: Much worse than I expected; much more disconnected. He fails to admit that in a professional environment the latest version of a software package is a liability, not a benefit. New versions haven't been tested in the environment. He understands this, but doesn't address it -- or rather tries to make a drawback into a benefit -- because it suits his purposes.
It doesn't suit ours.
Exactly. No pro upgrades to the latest of anything without keeping a working backup of the previous iteration.
Either non-professional customers will essentially be jettisoned or this may evolve to more of a cell-phone model, where one pays by how much they use a program (ping tracking?). Why should someone who uses only one program rather infrequently as opposed to a professional using multiple programs hours a day pay the same monthly fee. At least with a cell phone, you can dial down somewhat. I wouldn't even want to work with the full program-more complex, more processor intensive than I need.
This has been coming on. Can only buy certain programs through a download. Even new Apple computers now come without Install Disks. Etc. I have 20-year computers and programs I can use to this day But the future will be different for any major software program.
Clint Dunn: The funniest thing about the litany of complaints here is that the majority of you don't pay for the SW...you use pirated copies. Go ahead...tell me I'm wrong:) For every Pro out there with a legit copy of PS is a 'Pro' doing $500 weddings on weekends with $2000 of SW they got off a torrent site.
Please speak for yourself. In the old days, many of us would get Photoshop with a scanner or printer, then buy upgrades. I probably have 3 legitimate copies of Photoshop 4 or 5, for example. I have multiples of Photoshop Elements, same way. And, no, you couldn't use with just the scanner. In the old days, when there were several of each type of program, there used to also be something called Competitive Upgrades. Purchase Illustrator and Canvas would be at a reduced price.
I'll hear a roar, but why should the student and educator get a better price.
Newtune3: Spent 7 years learning it and 7 years hating how they treated customers. Upgrade or your new camera will not work. Sorry Adobe you are not the only game in town and I for one have spent my last dime on your products. The new business model is gaurantee that every consumer spends money on my product each and every month or it stops working. That is good work if you can get it. And, and everything is in the cloud. We are then not even able to be self sufficient if we so chose. Wow, you all got guts I will say that for you Adobe. Just like the Federal Government, they will take care of everything we need, trust us.
We used to rent our phones by the month, until it was determined that the user could purchase his or her own phone. Of course, cell phones made it almost moot.
Leon V: I own a Nikon D800 camera and Camera Raw 6 in Photoshop CS6 supports this camera. I will not need to switch to the CC because I have what I need for the rest of my life. Looks like no more photoshop updates. Big mistake Adobe.
"Once you upgrade your OS, it's not a given that the new OS will support CS6 (this comment applies to those below who plan to use CS3 "forever" as well). " Not quite the same on the Mac. Once an application is Intel compatible, it should last many OS upgrades until Apple should change its core processor.
mike earussi: I think this will cost Adobe a lot as, instead of increasing revenue, all it will really do is encourage most advanced amateurs (and some professionals) to find alternative PP software like GIMP, which is free. I own CS6 but will never pay $20-$40/month for their package. Only the handful of professionals who require the latest and greatest will ever subscribe. I'm guessing they'll lose 50% or more of their customer base inside of two years.
Such programs could migrate to pay per use. This flat pricing is sustainable by those earning a living with the programs, less likely the advanced amateurs/hobbyists.
John Usa: I do not like this poor Adobe decision, and I will definitely use another software as I HATE cloud computing. I will never use cloud software.Adobe is going to be very sorry with this ridiculous decision.
Every graphic designer, web page builder, etc. will go along.
BaldCol: Oh well. No new versions for me. But then CS3 does everything I want anyway.
On the Mac, Snow Leopard is the driving line. With 10.6.8, you can use any earlier PPC program. In Tiger with Classic, we could go back to programs written for a Mac Plus!
onlooker: I guess I am one of the very few here that see nothing wrong with the cloud-based software (you do install it on your disk, after all). There are a few issues, though:
* A lot of users (like me) do not upgrade every new release, so this pricing is considerably more expensive.
* Since Lightroom will also be a part of Creative Cloud, do you have to pay $50 to get it, or just $20 that you would for Photoshop? Those two applications are part of the same workflow.
* What programs are actually a part of the Creative Cloud? Will I end up having to buy CC and then separately eLearning Suite or Tech Publishing Suite?That's what this page seems to suggest: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/tools-and-services.html.
Not sure it actually works like that. In a Cloud environment, you are essentially asking permission every time you work with the software. I think, even now, with Adobe you must activate applications through an Internet connections.
Photoshop Elements does all I need as a hobbyist. Those who earn a living from these programs, obviously will abide. New era for computing.
I think the book was called Shooting Stars, Grace Kelly on the cover. The good old days when everyone aspired to a Rolleiflex.
Jefftan: $650 vs NEX-3N $450 in Amazon
idiot would buy this
These Samsung NX cameras are well thought out, responsive and have some of the best ergonomics and photographic interfaces I've seen. I take it the 16 megapixel wasn't best in class, but that the 20 megapixel one is stronger. Overall image quality is excellent.
$800 for camera with kit lens designed to appeal to DLSR newcomers as a bridge camera. The prices are all these DSLR cameras flabbergast me. I am returning to pinhole photography. Signed, Rip Van Winkle.
Gordon W: So far by the 23rd of this month, we've had one camera review and we now get a printer review. I visit here much less often than I did back in the years when we got timely camera reviews, now I'm not sure why I bother coming here at all anymore.
Exactly. CONNECT logo is top right of page. We know it's there.
tkbslc: Certainly makes the Coolpix A price look even more foolish, eh?
Thanks. Interesting how companies choose value points; product differentiation. I wonder who actually designs and assembles cameras these days.
Welcome effort. Amazing how long it's taken to get here.
Nice platforms, but ... if you have to ask the price ...
Computer-aided design. Modern manufacturing techniques and materials science. Yes, this is a high-spec lens and we have auto-focus, but it amazes how much these modern SLR lenses cost.