Thanks for showing EOS-M2.
ThomasSwitzerland: Look on your right hand when you want to grab something. The camera has been built around this in a practical human way. New horizons open up when using new methods. The Sigma might be very unusual and conflicting with what we are conditioned to see and use.
Smart Sigma people have developed a totally new design to function. This demonstrates vision, strategy and progress. And I like their courage – we need more of this breed in our boring mainstream world.
I would like to pull this camera out and take photos. Because my right hand balances and operates.
If this were the best ergonomic solution, why aren't more (any?) cameras designed similarly. There really is nothing special about the design. It is minimalist like many recent Sony and Samsung cameras. All the same buttons, icons, battery camber, door, strap lugs, hot shoe, lens platform, etc. everyone else uses. The potential was there with the extra real estate. At a minimum, for a high-level camera, how about dual card slots.
Being able to grab something and being able to hold on to it while using thumb and fingers to adjust controls are two different things. I just took a whole slew of cameras I ordinarily hold in the right hand with a grip projecting forward, turned them around and held with left hand and grip projecting backward. Much less comfortable.
This camera begs a swivel design a la early Coolpix cameras. Then, I would be excited about the design. As it stands, nothing special.
T3: It looks like it should be a wide format (6x17) camera. But it's not!
Begs a true 16:9 sensor and LCD.
completelyrandomstuff: It's a pity they are not planning to make a wider angle version - 24mm or 21mm equivalent. Typically people use those for landscapes and, at least for me, either of these two focal lengths would be ideal.
Too imaginative. Great idea.
Aaron C Greenman: Barnaby,
Can you handle the version of the DP2 with the leather half case and OVF and give your impressions of how it handles and the view? Take a photo of someone holding it up to their face to understand size, proportion and ergonomics?
Stealth mode, Barney!
brittonx: I love the look of this camera. It's very distinct. I'm sick of all the "me too" cameras nowadays.
Using the same body materials, lens materials, dials, buttons, battery-card door and slot as all contemporary digital cameras.
T3: Very strange body design. Lens protruding out the front, grip protruding out the back, sharp angles on the "grip", very long and narrow...just strange.
Use that extra real estate for something worthwhile. An integral EVF or make it swivel like the Coolpix 990/995. Even a remote module.
Since Sigma can't do a tilting, moveable LCD, have the lens swivel. Then, it would be useful.
Almost seems like the camera should come apart in modules and accommodate modules. Ricoh still more imaginative. Styling is nothing special. Using the same materials all modern cameras do.
$900 with a kit lens. WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.
NCB: Canon have made the same mistake as Nikon, dropping the viewfinder, as Nikon did in the P7700 before bringing it back as as EVF in the P7800. Too much of the potential market for this sort of camera wants a viewfinder of some sort; the optical type was never that bad that omitting it was a good thing, and while the EVF in the P7800 isn't great, compared to other EVFs now appearing, it's better than nothing.
Unless Canon and Nikon start putting quality EVFs in this sort of camera, they might as well drop them; there are too many attractive alternatives around in the quality-but-not-too-large market. The sensor-size of the G1 X II isn't enough on its own to make a difference.
Funny how Nikon had an EVF in a compact way back when (P600??) and never followed up with it.
Closer to EOS-M. Wonder how video will be. But bring something like this home closer to $500. Which is still a lot of money. Where is the value proposition.
If nothing else, I expect it will take a while for 3rd party RAW converters to master this sensor output. What Sigma can do with the RAW file with its Sigma Photo Pro will be an important part of the image equation.
I wish Dick Merrill were still alive to give his take on this.
Christos Tolis: This camera represents an obviously highly controversial design decision, both on the outside and regarding its entrails. However, it is what it is and at the end of the day it's the images and the usability that matter. DP Merrills sure get my vote for IQ at low and moderate ISOs but their usability as all around cameras is politely put - limited. I would gladly part with my money for this one if the IQ is on par with them and the battery life, responsiveness, software workflow is genuinely improved. Until then, I'll pass. You gotta hand it to them though... they sure ain't giving up...:) p.s. Sigma pls, why are you making us buy three cameras to get three lenses...??????
Having something that is specialist but beyond anything else in existence versus trying to bring the image characteristics in line with the rest of the quality marketplace. Many DPM owners didn't mind the limitations, because the upside was so great. I expect the DPM cameras to go up in price.
We can spin things any way we want, but 15 down to 4.9 is not progress. If the Foveon issues could be solved, you go 10:10:10 at a minimum. That huge body begs an integral EVF or swivel design.
I expect DP Merrills to go up in value. An image threshold with sensor plus lens never to be equaled.
Mcmx: I am honestly a bit confused that people seem to get so hung up on the ergonomics. It's a pretty slim camera, so instead of only giving it a hump on the front, they also gave it a hump at the back.
I just now took my DSLR in my right hand, which should be roughly as thick as the broadest part of the Sigma, and I wouldn't be surprised if it will feel almost the same. Obviously, one has to try it, but ergonomically, it doesn't look different from a DSLR as far as the position of the right hand is concerned.
Overreaction to battery life and ISO issues. I'll take image brilliance over ISO any day. But at least put those right side buttons on the left of the camera back and center the LCD to some degree more.
VadymA: To reduce processing time, why don't they simply reduce sensor resolution from 15x3 to 10x3? This would give them the same volume of 30mp to process as 4:1:1 but at the same time preserve true Foveon nature of "real color in every pixel". The idea of Quad seems pure marketing gimmic to me in an attampt to go back to 4.9MP sensor.
Exactly. 10x10x10 would have been outstanding. This camera is really 2 steps backwards for Sigma, the effusive press release notwithstanding. Way less resolution; breaks the Foveon principle.
Looking good, Nikon.