Anastigmat: Many Pentax users have moved on, tired of waiting for a Pentax FF. Not sure if they will return. It is one of the biggest blunders in Pentax history to have refused to release a FF until the DSLR market took a downturn.
Agreed. Hoya was a blunder. Ricoh has really been pushing things forward.
DukeCC: If this lens played better with Canikon they would sell a bunch of them--assuming the price comes down to a reasonable point.When you pay a lot for a lens you want to be able to say, 'Look at this great picture!' That will never happen with a superzoom.Nobody buys a DSLR to compromise it with a $650 mediocre-image-quality lens.
You can take amazing shots with this lens. You can take amazing shots with your iPhone. Or not. Up to you.
Bram de Mooij: Out of curiosity and as a reaction to some reviews I bought this lens, but I returned it the same week I bought it. Some talk here about elitism, but in my opinion you are better off with some of the compact cameras that cost us much as this lens. For instance the Stylus 1. Sharpness was not there and the purple fringing was the worst I have ever seen. Maybe I had a bad copy, but this was really the last APS-C or FF superzoom lens that I tried.
I immediately wondered if a Sony RX10 or Panasonic FZ1000 wouldn't be a much better idea in this category. You almost get the same depth of focus as well with f/2.8 or 4.
Anastigmat: That is long overdue. Manufacturers have been profiteering from artificially high prices on FF DSLR cameras, refusing to lower the prices even though the sensors do not cost all that much to make. The old excuse made about 10-12 years ago was the FF sensors were prohibitively expensive. Sony has in fact successfully made even larger medium format CMOS sensors so economically that most manufacturers have switched to them. It takes a slump in the DSLR camera business for manufacturers to finally reduce prices on FF models, but only at the low end, and we are given plastic bodied low end FF models as punishment for not spending more money on more expensive FF models. FF cameras need to come way down in price, and APS-C cameras should be phased out completely. There is no reason for APS-C models since most DSLR cameras are large enough to accommodate FF sensors.
I actually think the proliferation of apsc in the digital age is great. The lenses and bodies are in fact smaller. Take the brilliant Canon SL1 and their very light but high quality 10-18mm STM. That whole combo is lighter than either the camera or the lens in equivalent full-frame (including Sony mirrorless!). The viewfinder is a big difference when compared, but depending on the photographer, the apsc is more than sufficient in quality and image dynamics.
Mike FL: If SONY can start all over again, there will be NO "Translucent Mirror Digital SLR".
They were an interim step that they had to take. It's actually quite amazing that they have kept making them this long. I think they still see the huge market share of the DSLR and aren't willing to give that up. They would also disenfranchise a huge part of their customer base who might go to Canon Nikon. At the end of the day, the Canon Nikon lens selection is so vastly diverse and superior, and everyone forgets that lenses drive the detached lens camera market. Just look at lens value after 18 months vs the disposable computer technology of camera bodies. The death of the DSLR is a LONG way off. An a7 with a lens adapter basically mitigates any size disadvantage of a mirror box. The a7 weighs almost as much as a Canon 6D, and then the Sony lenses are all $1000-2000 and still quite large. I'll take the Canon 24-70 or 70-200 f4 is any day over the Sony.
mark power: Let's admit it, Sony engineers are brilliant - too brilliant. They apparently race one another to see how many features they can cram into a tiny space. So many picture options undermines the confidence of the photographer because who has time to test them all before deciding to make a photo? There's usually the nagging feeling, "if only I had..." let's have a stripped down version of the A7s. No video, few picture and scene effects, no auto cropping, face finders and so on. Just keep the essential features for good responsive intuitive photography. They could call it the A7pro. We'll never go back to film but the best film cameras just gave you what you need and didn't burden the machine with a lot of engineering hubris.
He's not saying he wants an a900. He's saying don't make the a7 the Microsoft Word of cameras. And I agree. Apple proved this with "it's what you leave out that's most important".
I'm a stills shooter who sometimes does a bit of video. And I hike. And shoot slowly. And I like good quality primes. Sounds like a winner to me.
Randy Veeman: We've known this since the A7 was released. Sony said they are only focusing on Full Frame lenses. At the A77ii release Sony kept talking about the FE line up.Take away FE sales and I bet Sony ILCs despite high unit sales are losing money (just like the p&s models did for so many years).
I think the RX100 p&s model is doing pretty ok.
Suave: Lenses, they have to make the leses first. More and cheaper.
I can buy a Canon 50mm 1.8 STM for 150 bucks. I have to shell out SIX times that to get ANY 50mm Sony full-frame lens. OR I use an adapter, which makes the camera bigger and heavier, and it's not a total connection with fast AF, etc. I can buy a Canon 40mm STM which rocks and is like it's not there. The closest Sony is a million dollar totally basic 35/2.8 that is bigger and heavier. The 24-70 Sony isn't as good by any stretch as the Canon version. Guess which one I get to pay more for? I don't shoot video. I prefer the instant, real view of an OVF. Where is the mirrorless advantage again?
lumigraphics: I had an A850 and loved it. But the shift to EVF killed it for me. Not even considering going back unless they bring back an OVF.
Whatever they may "do", EVFs don't "look" as good as an OVF, period. And it's the looking glass you look through. It's not about doing, it's about looking. Not there yet, sorry.
Babka08: Every comparison it seems that people make in this post are for larger or much, much larger cameras. The comparisons to apsc or 4/3 cameras is also telling, simply because the RX100 is even in the comparison bench. Folks, it is tiny. Nothing comes close. The review is bang on. I'll be upgrading from my mk 1 to this sometime fairly soon. The viewfinder itself is a significant reason.
For my fixed lens camera, I use an iPhone 6+. I didn't buy it for the camera but it has since sold me as a camera. I also have a Canon 6D. Oftentimes, like on hikes, the RX100 is the way to go. In good light, for many shots, it's good enough compared to a dslr. In fact, I sold a Pentax 23mm lens after I got my RX as for good light landscapes it was hard to tell the difference. But now, for ultralight, I just take the phone. It's so immediate and always there.
Gesture: What happens when you carry it in a pocket and dust/sweat/humidity causes an issue. WHAT IS WARRANTY-SERVICE response? How durable are these modern $1K marvels proving.
On warranty service response from Sony... my wife dropped my RX100 mk1 in the water. It was out of warranty. For $75 Sony paid shipping both ways, replaced the main board and sent it back promptly. The box they sent it in had an extra battery and charge cord, worth about $60 right there.
Every comparison it seems that people make in this post are for larger or much, much larger cameras. The comparisons to apsc or 4/3 cameras is also telling, simply because the RX100 is even in the comparison bench. Folks, it is tiny. Nothing comes close. The review is bang on. I'll be upgrading from my mk 1 to this sometime fairly soon. The viewfinder itself is a significant reason.
24-600, people. And a big sensor exposing it. What do you expect?
Fire whomever is doing industrial design for Canon. And re-hire the guy that designed the original powershot S series, which was attractive, as opposed to butt ugly, which is what this is. Yuck. Never mind the missing viewfinder.
Still not sold on EVFs. That's the deal breaker.
And Sony/Zeiss are clueless on small lens design. Spend some time with Pentax limiteds and learn how to make small form factor lenses too. The body size advantage is totally erased by the huge, long lenses. Adding an adapter further mitigates any size advantage, cool as it is.
Incremental change and a cash grab. However, the upgrades are notable in a couple important instances. The viewfinder and 4K are enough to justify. So, now you have four versions all still in retail pretty much with a price range of $400-1,000. That's pretty good. Any other manufacturers stepping up and pushing it? Anyone?
drh681: If it lacks the obvious aperture shaped out of focus plane highlights of the old 1.8, it's a vast improvement.
It seems in the chart, to have a decent center sharpness wide open. With the typical rapid fall off of a wide aperture lens.
You'll have to wait for the new 1.4 when it comes out for $549, if you want aspherical elements.
DStudio: Wait, that's not fair!
How can Yongnuo make copies if they keep changing the design?
Innovation is something dramatic when required. This is simply a good upgrade in key areas for something that is already working, at a price that remains popular to thousands. The 100-400 or 400DO are innovative.
Photoman: Will the cheaper Yongnuo nifty fifty beat this lens for quality???
Not even close. Not by half.