there's resale on bh. i got 5 of them, just for sure..
mr.izo: can someone tells me, which sensors use fuji, samsung, olympus etc in theirs mirrorless models?i'm guessing fuji (same pentax in thier new dlsr line) is sony/toshiba "bitch", while for oly i would song goes with kodak?, for samsung i have no idea, panasonic etc??
yep, that's my observations too, olymore. howaboutraw, i'm not saying canon uses sony chips, it's just seems that today is hard to tell who is really using what, sony manufacturing goes within toshiba and other plants (if i catch that somewhere correctly) etc etc. they could stamp on chips different brands if they want, bit at least code of the factory should be the same.i'm not bashing any brand here, it is just interested to me to know, probably for manj others, too. would be nice to see this kind of stuff from 11st or 2nd hand within some report, not just guessing on forum discussions etc.
ok, thanks for info.but still would be nice to see actual production line and all that some time, you can stamp on chips whatever you want..
i don't know, to me it looks like sony bacome planet no1 manufacturer, just that every other company hacked their chips to their likings (as nikon etc).but for ex. olympus i have hard time ti accept it's sony sensor, it's colour fidelity etc (at least on something like om de1) is different from sony chip users, also different from panny cameras.would be also interesting to know, where canon really makes their chips, specially new ones. i'm not saying sony, but these things are always packed in myst somehow. would be bice to see some independent! (so dpreview is probably out) article on this matter..
AlexisH: One more thing you don't need with a mirrorless camera. Although I guess they could still finely tune auto focus to account for focus shifting.
I agree with rishi, all lenses have tendency to have ff/bf problem on slr/dslr bodies, not just off-brands ones, so it's really no patent issue ( brand ones are probably tested and designed better, yes)Companies should address this issues in digital era, since we can see differences straight away on monitors, there are forums etc. One way is to step up their inspection within fabrication (but that would probably just bring higher prices in the market) or to add software like reikan along the cameras to compensate errors (but that's is like admitting their gear is off from ground upd). They provide ff/bf micro compensation on their camera, but in a lot of cases, it's not enough.Yes, mirrorless cameras don't have such a issues with ff/bf, since what sensor sees, sensor took on the picture, but there's still lense quality variety within production of same model (you know, lemons as we call it), so that is still have to be addressed, i think, specially when you paying 1k+ buck for glass.
so, more or less sony kingdom..
olympus use sony 4/3 sensors? that i find hard to believe, colours etc do tell story..also i 'm bit sceptical about samsung and panasonic using their own production sensors (maybe panasonic)
can someone tells me, which sensors use fuji, samsung, olympus etc in theirs mirrorless models?i'm guessing fuji (same pentax in thier new dlsr line) is sony/toshiba "bitch", while for oly i would song goes with kodak?, for samsung i have no idea, panasonic etc??
yes, we won't need this kind of stuff IF! companies do their thing with inspection on body/lense production lines..as we all, coming from dslr world knows, this is not a case, so..
mr.izo: i think main question will be, how does this lense compare to let say sigma 12-24, i guess (which can be pretty good to excellent, when you get good sample).would be nice to see some test done head to hed, regarding sharpness (specially corners), filed curvature, flare resistance etc. because price different is huge.
i do belive you, but when you get some nice sample (and this is not 50-50 scenario, i would say something like 25% chance or even less for real good one), sigma is not shabby at all. I do own for ex. now dinosaur 15-30, its heavy, it's loud, but sharp and all that, for fraction of the price of some other lenses in this area.anyway, nice to hear that new canon is great (it should be for that kind of money), how are corners doing, barrel distortions, flare resistance etc?
i think main question will be, how does this lense compare to let say sigma 12-24, i guess (which can be pretty good to excellent, when you get good sample).would be nice to see some test done head to hed, regarding sharpness (specially corners), filed curvature, flare resistance etc. because price different is huge.
mr.izo: so, sigma's secret is.. hoya (zeiss manufacturer). that's shocking.
actually, making right glass, choosing correct components etc is vital for good lenses and far from simple task, and lens design is probably just a tad copied from zeiss line, i would say..
so, sigma's secret is.. hoya (zeiss manufacturer). that's shocking.
it will go well with all that sony ff cameras..
looks straight enough for me.. nice alternative for sure.
matthew saville: Wow, I bet that 28mm + 21mm adapter is heavier, more expensive, and WAY less sharp than the Nikon 20mm f/1.8 G. Further proof that Sony's business tactic is STILL to just throw BS at the wall and see what sticks...
problem with wide35mm rangefinder lenses (leica, contax whatever) is, that they having problems with aberrations etc on edges due to the shorter flange distance, so (d)slr wides works better in that area. and when we talking 20mlpix+, that matters.that's where mirrorles cameras also starts to loosing edge, because if you want top quality, you need big bulky glass with longer flange distances etc, and bulkines. but maybe they will start to use curved sensors more offen..
jukeboxjohnnie: Like more pixels but Canons are so DULL these days. What I want is a Nikon which takes Canon L lenses...
what i want right now is 6d with sony 20 mpix ff sensor. will do for me just fine..
Neez: That's one way to go about things, but you're talking about a jack of all trades, but master of none type of camera. I think the opposite, instead of making design compromises, it's ok to make camera's that are masters of their particular design.
High MP cameras are great for people that need to make huge posters or banners, wildlife photographers that need to crop their photos, landscape photographers, portraits etc.... People that need detail, more so than those extra few shades of color, or low light photography.
true, but it can be frustrating fact (well, fact is more scientific debate talk) that most lenses can't deliver something over 20 mpix optical resolution on leica format.but then again, they repeat this karma every time new high mpix count sensor comes out and every time i see some change in detail definition on pictures etc..
Brock10: Canon is pandering to the clueless. The megapixel war should have the aim of selling to the uninformed masses in the consumer market. Canon 5D buyers aren’t studio photographers. We shoot on-location. We don’t need more megapixels.
Hey Canon. Your largest group of 5D buyers would prefer you give us sensors with better low-light capabilities. Cramming 50.6 itsy bitsy photosites into a full frame sensor is going the wrong direction. Please develop for your established professional customers. We don’t need to print for billboards. We need cameras that can see better when the lights go down, and better, faster focusing.
Stop letting your marketing department rule your engineers. Yes, 50.6MP vs. 22.3 is easy math for clueless salesmen. Let them use that higher-number-must-be-better math on uninformed point-and-shoot consumers. Don’t insult your true 5D client base with this reasoning. We know better. I was hoping the "S" stood for sensitivity. Big letdown.
"Low ISO 35mm film is 50 megapixel or more" ..
hmm, that can be a long debate. personaly, i don't buy it (i do have some experience with scanning film, leica and mf fromat). yes, you can scan in way, that you'll get 50 mpix and even more, but true optical resolution si other thing, which derives from scanner optics and mechanincs etc, not to mention optics that was used on camera in first place. generally speaking, older lenses are not on some level as the newest top line models from sigma, zeiss, canon etc. yes, there are some great old ones, but there's not a lot of them and they're not all for leica format..but ok, if we pust debate just comparing sensor mpix and film course definition, than you're right. but problem with optics etc is still here, with maybe just a little bit more lense variety.
Light Pilgrim: Was super excited to read rumors and I was hoping it will be THE LANDSCAPE camera - I would get it in a heartbeat.
It looks like a MF competition, something that will help folks that print billboards.
I own a 5D MKIII and this new camera will have the same exactly AF and no improvement on the DR.
I am skipping it...I was really hoping it will be better than D810 in every area...
i agree, but to compare specialized 12mpix low light/video sensor with mark's III one, is not really fair. but again, i agree on bigger picture: sony sensors capture low light better, at least till the latest canon models aka 7mII,from which new mIII R derives in terms of pixel size level, sensor engine etc (according to interview).edit:sorry fot that, in my mind i switched sony R and S models. interesting to hear that, since for example not everybody is fond with let say d800 (which shold behave something like 7R) low light abilities. but hey, i belive you.