Peter Gurdes: yawn.... no lightroom 6 beta?
If all the existing RAW converters go rentware,they will be creating the space for someone new to offer a good RAW Converter/Processor and steal all their customer/revenue... Either you give customers what they want or somebody else will.
(unknown member): Lightroom 6???
@Vince...I think most people know the difference, "perpetual license" to use VS perpetual renting.
SemperAugustus: Stock is plunging... the low hanging mangoes are gone... profitability is weak... maybe they will see the light that you cannot fight your customers. Make CC rental optional and sell upgrades, if ADBE does that I will even buy stock, because I know it will generate many, many millions.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12963041/1/will-adobe-systems-adbe-stock-react-today-to-this-analyst-action.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO"..However, as a counter to these strengths, we also find weaknesses including deteriorating net income, disappointing return on equity and feeble growth in the company's earnings per share."
I keep watching the prices and doing some photography and process the results with the Adobe software I DON'T rent....
another - $1.43 today.... yeah, nothing to worry about... specially if you bought 5,000 shares at $73.30...
Well, if you are so confident... this is a good opportunity to purchase some stock!!!
It was $73.39 on Sept 8, 2014... maybe you should look at a chart..almost 10 bucks down...
Sirandar: Is this really a viable alternative to Lightroom 5 on a decent laptop?
Or even Lightroom on a desktop? How often do you really have to edit photos on the go? Are these mobile apps even 1/10 as powerful as Lightroom on Windows 7?
I have a decent Win7 laptop with a SSD drive with Lightroom and I don't even don't even use that much because a desktop is just so much faster for building and viewing previews. Checking fine focus on multiple pics can be taxing even on a decent laptop. How long would an IOS device take to build previews on the fly. Does it have any photo database strengths like Lightroom?
If Android and IOS Lightroom is as quick and feature rich as the Windows version ..... then Adobe is almost criminally guilty of poorly optimizing Lightroom and should fix it.
There is no excuse for equivalent performance on a Ipad/OIS device as compared to a PC with an SSD, 4 cores and a good gaming card.
I really can't see any Tablet having the power to work with 25 MB RAW files, specially if you want to edit more than one at the time. The capacity is limited and the processing power as well... these are just gimmick apps for FB or Instagram images (IMHO)
Stock is plunging... the low hanging mangoes are gone... profitability is weak... maybe they will see the light that you cannot fight your customers. Make CC rental optional and sell upgrades, if ADBE does that I will even buy stock, because I know it will generate many, many millions.
icexe: The only way I can see this working is if Adobe adopted a far more reasonable and guaranteed pricing model.
A more reasonable structure would be $4.99/month for any single product, then offer special "bundle" prices (E.g. Any 3 for $12.99/month, any 5 for $19.99/month, the entire suite for $39.99/month).
But the most important part to get people on-board is to guarantee those prices for a minimum of five years.
Also, if/when you drop subscription for a given product, it should fall back to a "limited functionality mode" that allows you to still open, view, and print your current images but maybe disables most filters, or the ability the save any new changes, etc..
" open, view, and print your current images"... you can already do this with just about any other product in the market, most support PSD, including Lightroom which is still sold as a perpetual license. IMHO, this is a non-issue.
ianp5a: If you don't like the deal they offer, don't take it. Don't get angry. Go somewhere else. Give your money to a rival to help them offer a better product. It's good for everyone. Even Adobe users. As Adobe will have to drop their prices or improve their product. In fact, didn't they just drop their prices? Mass exodus appears to be working.
I think most of us don't like the deal and we have not taken it... we all still have the right and almost duty of calling Adbe on this scam...
pumeco: Well, some good news here I reckon, looks like Adobe are cracking even quicker than we thought.
I noticed today that their dummed-down "Elements" range has fallen to half the price of what they were (less than half in some cases). The Photoshop/Premiere Elements bundle for example is down from £120 to less than £50.
I'm guessing that so many people are ditching them and choosing the pay-once alternatives, that Adobe have decided to try and beat those packages by tempting you into their relatively underpowered Elements stuff.
That's what I reckon, anyway.
Let's just hope people won't fall for that one, either. When it comes to choosing between Corel Photopaint X6, Serif Photoplus X6 or Elements, remember who ALWAYS had fair prices and those who did not.
Adobe DID NOT - so please support the ones that always did. Keep this up and like any business, they WILL come crawling with their tail between their legs with the customer back in control.
Their profitability is hurting... the stock is very high, because professional investors like the predictability and have probably swallowed ADBE kool-aid that eventually everybody will join CC. Time will say, renting software with no ownership is not for everyone...
Per Inge Oestmoen: Needless to say, the reason behind the subscription model is that it is more profitable to make the users pay a regular fee than to let them use their programs indefinitely.
The issue with CC, and its logical conclusion "cloud computing," is not the costs over time.
The true issue is the fact that if the software cannot be copied/backed up, installed, re-installed on compatible hardware and used indefinitely, then the user is completely at the mercy of the software service, its availability and its accessibility.
Contrast that with user-controlled software that resides locally in the computer and can be installed at any time, can be backed up for future installations, has no ties to its manufacturer at all and thus is not dependent on software services, subscriptions or license controls to work.
The latter is a tool that the user can always be certain to be able to use, no matter what happens to the company that made the software.
Now it is time to go Open Source.
IMHO, the reason why Adobe did this is what has been called "the consumption gap", which is the difference between the features you really use and the hemorrhage of fringe, obscure, almost useless features that SW vendors put in the sw every year as upgrades. Once the product gets to a level like CS6 it basically is more than GOOD ENOUGH, therefore it stagnates and people refuse to upgrade. By going rental, ADBE secures income whether they update or not.
Stock is up, but profits are declining.... I have 5-6 years to wait... let's see who can hold longer
SemperAugustus: Selfies made easy....
tkbslc,they do, but unless you are the rubber man from the Fantastic 4, you can't do a selfie at a distance longer than your arm, can you?
Selfies made easy....
Polytropia: "FluCard" ... really? What's next, the "AIDScard" ...?
Someone in the Pentax marketing department needs to find another job.
Someone should tell this "genius" to go and work for the competition...
SemperAugustus: If you are making money from your images $10 a month is reasonable, but if you are a hobbyist, amateur or just enthusiast, then IMHO is best to invest in another SW e.g. Corel Paint Shop Pro or even PSE For a photographer, LR is probably 90% of what you ever going to need, specially if you add some plugins like Nik Collection and Perfect Effects. They have the ability to add layers and blending. They also have some masks (not as powerful as PS) but adequate in most cases. Trying CC and cancelling is not a realistic option, PS is not something that you learn overnight, it does take years. So when you cancel your sub, not only you are left with no SW, you are letting go many man-days of effort and learning. Why not put that effort into some other SW.... Corel PSP has layers, masks, blending modes, selections, etc.... you could use LR for ACR and then trigger Corel PSP for a single image editing.
I have used Corel PSP in the past, I actually downloaded the X6 to give it a test drive now that is 64 bit. I know it is capable and I would use it, but it doesn't make sense for me while I have PS CS6, which has a lot more polished capabilities...e.g. when cloning, the brush will show exactly what you will be painting... it is this kind of refinement that gives PS the advantage TODAY. Corel can easily match those and grab the photographer segment, leaving the graphic designers to ADBE.
Pumeco, thanks for your "classy" contribution
kbfo: Can somebody explain to me why we in Europe have to pay 65% more (12,29 € = $ 16,6) than US citizen?
Any idea how to pay the $10 fee?
I am guessing that the IVA is included, where in USA and Canada tax is NEVER included and has to be added later. e.g. The CC $20 price is really $22.6 in Ontario where the tx is 13%, but it would be $23 in Atlantic Canada where the tax is %15