Zigadiboom: You see the Mazda 6 is a very good quality car in its own right. However if you try and price it the same as a BMW 5 series or Mercedes E class then it doesn't seem like such a good deal anymore.
This is like when netbook first came out. It was meant to be cheaper, lighter and easier to carry compared to normal laptop.
As time goes by, they are packing more features, getting faster, bigger and heavier, and priced it the same as a well featured laptop, and that's how it all went wrong....
So let me ask you - where is netbooks now? :P
white shadow: A reasonably good selection of shots in a variety of situation. Keep it up for other camera reviews like the coming 70D.
A good pocketable camera for travel but the price is rather expensive.
I am using a similar setup for travel; using a Zeiss ZE 35mm f/2.0 on the Canon 5D MkII. Seems to get better results.
Maybe DPR should do a comparison, if not with the 5D MkII then with the 5D MkIII with a Zeiss ZE 35mm f2.0 lens. If the result is on par or better then this IS the camera to go for if one want to travel light.
I just had a look at the samples too, pretty impressive, but I think my 5D3 + Sigma 35 combo is sharper.
I know it's a different beast, but just sayin...
nofumble: Supersize your sensor please
Not gonna happen...
I sort of agree thou, no matter how feature-rich it is, it's still just a 16mp 4/3 sensor. That will always be the bottleneck.
Wow so according to DxOMark the best combo with the highest sharpness prime is Sigma 85!? What a surprise!
Maybe I should re-purchase it :P
Anaxagoras: No built-in flash - disappointingNo built-in GPS - disappointing
No viewfinder - APPALLINGLY BAD, Canon
Funnily enough, no professional photographers use mirrorless, regardless of whether it has an EVF/OVF or not.
So what's your point??
'And as far as I know, ALL Canon's dSLRS (professional or amateur) have viewfinders.'
And this isn't a DSLR...so your point again?
t ait: Great that they copied the big sensor and the compatibility to their "standard" lenses from Sony. But they are making a big mistake by positioning this camera as a "beginner's" device. They should not be trying to protect their budget DSLRs, but should replace them with much compacter cameras. No enthusiast photographer buys big cameras anymore, they simply make no sense anymore...
'No enthusiast photographer buys big cameras anymore'
um define enthusiast??
Peter Sills: Well, let's see.
No EVF. No tilting display. No real controls (physical thumb dial).
Camera aimed at the amateur. Camera aimed to knock Nikon's V1 out.
Too expensive for what it is. Canon, you need to cannibalize your own market in order to succeed. Why should I buy this vs. the Sony offerings? Are you going to have a "pro" version in time for Photokina?
You seriosuly think an EP2 + Pana 20f1.7 combo is better than this?? The EVF for the EP2 is crap anyway, I wouldn't even bother with that.
Sure m43 has more lenses available if you are building a COMPLETE system.
A lot of people are buying this as a smaller, lighter second package alongside a ff setup. I am more than happy with the EF-M and the 35mm FoV pancake only.
expensive compared to what?
It's about the same price as an EPM1 + Pana 20 1.7.
I take the Canon offering anyday. Larger sensor, standard 35mm FoV pancake, touch screen, 31 AF points, AF with all EF/EF-S lens via adapter.
What's not to like??
jimr: For a consumer level camera the lack of a built in flash is surprising and a mistake. The NEX 3F would be the example to follow given the road that Canon is going down.
Built in flash is for noobs anyway...
And with a fast pancake @ 35mm, flash is rarely needed.
Boris F: Canon and Nikon have to join the m43 community! Otherwise they will find themselves on the Nokia's today's position. Times when every camera's company develop their own mount's system are over. Imagine to yourself that each computer's motherboard company will develop their own PC extension connections, instead use the PCIe and the USB. And using this way try to limit their customers to chose extensions (lenses) from the only one manufacturer. These times are over! We are in the 21 century now! Wake up, make better products and customers will choose you. Don't limit a customer by "inventing" new mounts!!!
um m43 only consists of Pana and Oly. Hardly a community when there's only 2 parties in it imo...
Thoughts: It is hard to believe a lens annoucement gets such attention. Why bother this equivalent thing? It says the lens can take shoots in low light in concerts etc and portraits. That is it.
I have to say as others. Olympus lenses are the prettiest. But surely they should make some black version ones for that black OMD EM5.
@Mssimo - you are so wrong...
According to dofmaster, 150 f3.6 on ff gives -
Depth of field Near limit 9.86 ft Far limit 10.1 ft Total 0.28 ft
And 75 f1.8 on ff -
Depth of field Near limit 9.73 ft Far limit 10.3 ft Total 0.57 ft
So how is it the same again????
Sergio DS: There's much talk about the aperture, dop, etc stuff... First of all equivalent aperture does not mean equivalent light transmission, I'm sorry but even in the same camera two 50mm lenses with the same aperture might have different light transmission characteristics, albeit similar, however, the dop values should remain the same. In the case of the FF vs APS vs m4/3, I ain't even go there... But from a dop point of view we can say that this 75mm is, from a dop perspective, equivalent to a 100mm 2.4 APS-C lens, and simiilar to a 150mm F5 lens on fullframe, only regarding to the DOP! If you don't believe it just check for yourselves http://www.dofmaster.com/doftable.html
@ NetMage I like your explanation and that was my original thinking.
At low ISO, NO WAY ff is 4x better than m43 say an EM-5. So it is only half right.
No deny on the dof thou. 1.8 on m43 = 3.6 on ff dof -wise.
ithinkthatsme: For DOF maniacs, some sample photos are here: http://olympus-imaging.jp/product/dslr/mlens/75_18/sample/index.html
So, to resume it, you have a lens that gives you the Effective Focal Length of 150mm lens wich you can expose as an F1.8 lens and have shallow DOF of an 150mm/F4 lens ... i think people doesn't realise how shallow an 150mm/F4 lens will give you. Oh yeah and it weight a lot less and also much smaller.
The baby photo is shallow only because it's a closeup shot. But for normal full/half body portrait, it's not shallow at all and dof is aplenty @ f2.8.
abi170845: Bravo Olympus for churning out lenses, unlike SONY Nex system with non existent ultrawides and fast telephoto. I love it that Olympus is serious about this.
If it is as good as my 135mmf2 L, I think I might dump the dslr for my Dan Ballard Grand TetonTrip.
lol as good as 135L? Not even close ;)
Have a look yourself - http://olympus-imaging.jp/product/dslr/mlens/75_18/sample/index.html
150mm/f4 is shallow?? Clearly you haven't shot portrait @ 200mm f2.8 on ff....
R Valentino: I still don't see the benefits of these type of cameras over a DSLR, either a compact crop or even FF models.
None of them will fit in your pocket with the lens attached. Once you reach that point it makes little difference if it's one pound or two hanging around your neck. Especially with what you give up compared to DSLRs.
Give me a good compact model like the S100 or Samsung WB750 (IQ withstanding) any day for travel.
@ Ashley Pomeroy
You clearly don't care about quality then. I would expect someone that owns a 5D2 care more about IQ.
the NEX is lighter, smaller, so your point being? you get crappier photos too.
Jogger: "if the camera undergoes sudden motion while recording; motion generally inconsistent with smooth video recording"
most people dont want to beleive this and think that waving the camera around like a speed-addicted squirrel produces good video
watched those video. Seems like something is loose inside...