RichRMA: Are any of these lenses likely to be as good as the old Olympus Super High Grade 4/3rds lenses? Or are they more akin to the High Grade in-terms of performance and build-quality?
Olympus claims that 40-150 is better than the 35-100, but it could be marketing at work.
DPreview: are you going to have a Hands On some times soon? Or did they not send you one of these yet?
Zvonimir Tosic: Totally not interested in zoom lenses. but I have to admit this one is good.
Price is comparable with the competition, and the street price will always be lower, and when it comes in kits, it will be dirt cheap. So for a lens with quality motor, best coating on the market, and the WR, this may be the only lens some user will ever need. Why it's not f4 constant? Well it starts at f3.5 and ends at f5.6, so average is f4 anyway.
Well done, Pentax engineers.
@iudex: The 16-45mm is even less versatile lens, than this 16-85, yet it has quite a following. Every manufacturer has one of those: Canon 15-85, Nikon 16-85, Sony 16-80, Olympus 12-60 and 12-50. They all have variable (and moderate) apertures, but the reason why every manufacturer has one is because it is very useful. I would gladly get one and replace my 16-45 with it.
It's not average F4, but it is easier to make a variable aperture lens and this one doesn't seem to compromise on the size. If the MTF charts are accurate and consistent for all focal lengths, this lens should be very good.
Retzius: Its pretty big for a rather slow 16-85 zoom lens, uses 72mm filters, and weighs 488g. Its also darn pricey considering it relies on in-body SR and doesn't have a built in VR mechanism.
The Nikon equivalent (which has been out for years btw...), weighs the same, uses 67mm filters, has its own built in VR, and costs less.
Right now used Sigma 100-300 is half of the price of a new 60-250. You can get a used 60-250 on ebay for $900 and 100-300mm for $650. Average purchase prices on PF is $1100 for sigma, and $1300 for 60-250. Maybe there was a moment, when an aged 100-300 was half of the price of just-released 60-250, sure.
Regardless, I have no idea why would you compare the two though, because they are not the same. one is 4x zoom, the other 3x and the focal length range is quite a bit different.
They sell the 16-50, 60-250 (which I think is a bargain for what it is) or the other two, because they sell at these prices. They are clearly worth the money to Pentax shooters.
many, many other lenses can be bought for a lot cheaper. The stark difference is 14mm F2.8, which costs some $800 new, and some $350-400 used.
BarnET: Ow man that's one pricey slow kit-zoom.
Yes, unfortunately it does not. On the other hand Pentax has weather sealing. Maybe it costs just as much as adding IS, though I doubt it, personally. Sony also seems to be pricing their lenses as if they had IS.
completelyrandomstuff: That's a lot of money, but Canon and Nikon ask for the same amount. The difference is that Canon/Nikon have image stabilization and Pentax has weather sealing.
They do, but they seem to price their lenses like the VR counterparts, while the manufacturing of non-VR lenses should be cheaper. The manufacturing cost is probably brought up by weathersealing, but it's arguable if it would cost Ricoh as much to a VR system. I think they just set a higher profit margin.
This is what Canon and Nikon asked at a release for their 15-85 and 16-85, respectively, so it is in line with competition. I am sure the price will drop soon enough though.
That's a lot of money, but Canon and Nikon ask for the same amount. The difference is that Canon/Nikon have image stabilization and Pentax has weather sealing.
They lower the prices a few months after a release. when they came out with a 50mm F1.8 it was priced at $220, but it now sells for $140-150 new, or $120 directly from Pentax. Same with a K-5IIs or K-3. The latter can be bought for $900 with a grip and sold for $1300 alone just a year ago.
naththo: STUPID! is all I can say. Horrible body design how can we hold the camera? And out dated 20mp sensor. 24mp new one is already out, 20mp is already old. Ridiculous!
There will be a replacement to K-50 and K-500. This camera is in addition to, and not replacing their midrange dSLRs.
It will be funny when they announce a full frame Pentax in this color set.
gergei1: In the real world (where real people live, work, love, and occasionally spend real money on camera equipment) I haven't seen a sane person with an up to date Pentax camera for ages. This is just sad.
gergei1, there was a good interview with pentax execs. I can't find it at the moment, but in short, they say they are trying out a new market with K-S1. They have the 'core' which is what they call 'outdoor photographers' - people who want a rugged, small, weather-sealed camera without any flashing lights. Then they want people who are smart phone photographers who haven't heard about Pentax. The latter group is whom Pentax is trying to target with this camera. They want to have two parallel lines - their 'core' and their 'fashion' cameras.
I am guessing renewal for Pixma Pro-100. They were selling them dirt cheap recently.
You can buy a used lens from KEH and they have a short term for hassle-free returns. It comes out to around the same.
But honestly, it is a lot cheaper to buy a used lens at a market price and then sell it at the same price == free rental.
Israel119: Does this camera have any other ISO settings thn ISO 100? Just curious.
I actually agree to a certain degree. Yes, there are a few samples at other ISO settings, but the shutter speed on two high ISO samples are very slow - even below the 1/equivalent focal length. I can't be sure whether softness is noise reduction or motion blur.
whtchocla7e: While this wide zoom is ok, I don't get the reasoning behind releasing the other slow zooms for these supposedly enthusiast cams...
I would suppose size is the reason. After the enthusiast buy a fast, big, heavy lens, they will go back and buy another, slow one 'for hiking'.
Rooru S: So far, EVERYTHING in Photokina by Sony is aimed for E-mount cameras. Maybe it's time to sell everything I got of A-mount and jump ship?
This situation is similar to what olympus four-thirds users experienced. If I was in a market for a new camera without many lenses, I would probably switch. If you are not in the market and your camera feels your need, than why change it anyway...