mick232: Wow. Sexy. Especially the flash.
I can think of many 'pieces of metal & plastic' that are sexy, much more so than most people.
The Canon M/M2 definitely isn't one of them though.
Nice camera, good job Canon....LOL
reginalddwight: The images from the Df look soft and OOF to me.
Yeah, agreed. Maybe the lens needs some calibration...
Clueless Wanderer: Hmm.. Recently somebody stated that modern lenses don't conform to the two stop's close down for sharper images rule. Judging by the graph, that rule still applies.
Silly blanket statement. All lenses are different.
I'd still rather have the Nikon 58. The Otis may be razor sharp but it can't compete with the Nikon for rendering, bokeh, transitions, etc. It's just sterile.
Throw in the fact that it's twice the size of the Nikon, over twice the price & manual focus, it's a no brainer. But there's plenty of folks who prize sharpness over all else, so for them I'm sure it's a dream lens. Now lets see how many people actually buy it at $4k...
Der Steppenwolf: Great quality. I can see Nikon and Canon sh****** their pants now. Thank you Sony for giving us an alternative.
I don't know if canon or Nikon are "sh*tting their pants", but I'm sure they're paying attention. People have been screaming for a small FF camera for years, (especially when Leica released the M9 & showed us how small a camera with a FF sensor can be).
Nikon & Canon have ignored the people's constant pleading for a compact FF, as they seem to do with most products. They're terrible listeners. Hopefully this camera lights a fire under their ass.This camera will sell well, but lack of OVF and serious lenses leave a lot to be desired. Whomever brings out a well built compact FF with an OVF & native lens mount will clean house. Bigtime. If I had to bet on who will be first... I'd have to go with Pentax. Then Fuji. Nikon would probably be more likely to bring one out before Canon, but both will be a late to the party.
davids8560: Just curious. Were there any similar cameras from the film days of yesteryear? Tiny, high-quality film cameras?
Yashica t4, T5, Leica cm, Nikon 35ti probably the best of the tiny p&s. Go a little bigger and the Konica Hexar af is, imo, the boss of p&s.
Black Box: I thought it'd be an "I like it - I don't like it" kind of thing. But actually, I find this much more useful than the reviews. Real life experience is always better than lab coats.
Keep it up! Good idea!
all I got from this is- it's small, and cute, and fits in my purse. Here's some photos.
I'm gonna go ahead & coin the phrase 'teacup camera'. 'Purse camera' was the first thing that came to mind, but...
Call it what you will, this camera definitely strikes me as feminine & 'cute'.
Earthlight: I think Sony is on to something here. If they get the AF right they have a total winner here in A7r.
Imo The lens mount will have more of an impact than fast AF. How long has the E mount been out now? And still not one fast f1.4 lens available for it. Any of those E-mount lenses get you salivating? Yeah, me neither.
Hopefully the FE mount gets some fast glass, but... Im starting to think the reason there's no f1.4 lenses is that it's physically impossible. The mount is too small.
Dimit: I can see all signs that Sony is step by step dominating the market.Tremendous innovation gearwise,best lens iq via zeiss,I foresee no oponent within the next 5 years.For the time being,Sony is the king in the 1'' & APSC portions,Canon very slightly ahead in the FF,but then..bulk/mirror!!! Oh God! It is as if comparing an Enfield gun to M16!!Future is mirrorless..and I am 55 y.o...and passed through Nikon and Canon (former to latter)..and I enjoy shooting..
Sony will never dominate the market untill they put out some desirable fast glass, not these "meh, it'll do" lenses. The name Zeiss doesn't mean much to me. The FE mount is just too small & limiting.
I also don't think a company that has completely abandoned OVF will dominate either. Much more people prefer ovf than evf.
That being said- I do think sony has a bright future, for sure. But an FE mount camera won't dominate anything, atleast not anytime soon.
I'm really liking this plain-speak pre review style. Good stuff.
Infared: I definitely see why Zeiss made there new High-End 55mm f/1.4 Otus....and it looks like from what I have read..that they have made a beauty. 12 elements in 10 groups. WOW!.... Huge, MF and pay dearly.. but WHAT a lens.
I do not know why Nikon made this lens? (I do need to read other reviews to get a more well-rounded, complete story.. as I am not a fan of dXo..), It is baffling if these results in third party testing are accurate.
@infared for a well-rounded review:
samhain: If I shot Nikon, I'd be getting this lens. The sample shots I've seen have been absolutely beautiful. The bokeh, coma, rendering, micro contrast, 3-d effect, etc, just lovely results.I've learned to not put so much stock into numbers & resolution testing and focus more on real life shots/examples of what the lens can produce. There's so much more to a lens than numbers. For a landscape lens- yes I want max sharpness. But for a portrait lens, I'm much more concerned with rendering characteristics. does it have 'mojo'?
I've owned lenses that didn't test well but the results were breathtaking. My old (made in Japan) Pentax 77mm is a prime example. That lens can produce portraits that are down right haunting. Rendering & characteristics that I couldn't get out of a canon 85/1.2 or Sony Zeiss 135/1.8. Both of those lenses are best of the best portrait lenses, yet the Pentax 77(especially on a FF film camera) could just do spooky things that I could never recreate with other lenses.
@howaboutraw I could care less about seeing the raw pre-pp photos, I want to see the finished product. I shoot for finished product, not stripped down raws.
The guy owns & shoots with the sigma 50 and noct 58/1.2 professionally- if he says this lens is better than the sigma & as good/better than noct, I have no reason not to believe him. I'm not routing against this lens like some are in this comment section...
@darkshift why would I compare this to the Otis? The Otis is $4k and almost as big as a 200mm 2.8. But for fun- from all the shots I've seen from the Otis- I wasn't impressed at all by the bokeh. It strikes me as one of those Zeiss lens designed for maximum sharpness above everything else. The Nikon 58 is the opposite of that.
@viking79 For me, I don't really feel the need to see comparison shots with the sigma. That guy is (obviously)an extremely taIented professional who knows lenses - if he says he loves and uses the sigma on a regular basis, and that he prefers the Nikon 58 results, I'll take his word for it.
As for resolution- I didn't see any resolution issues with any of his photos. Did you? If anything, there was a couple that were almost TOO sharp for portraits(see the b&w closeup of the wedding couple- you can see every little flaw in her skin/makeup). I just don't see any resolution issues with this lens in real world use. Ive yet to see one photo anywhere that made me question if this lens isn't sharp enough.
Here's one of the best reviews I've seen yet on this lens, focusing on it's 'character'. If I shot with Nikon, this review alone would be enough to make me pull the trigger. This lens has 'it'.
I also don't consider it expensive. Not at all. I wouldn't even flinch at paying $1700 for a stellar low light/ portrait lens with unique rendering properties.
If I shot Nikon, I'd be getting this lens. The sample shots I've seen have been absolutely beautiful. The bokeh, coma, rendering, micro contrast, 3-d effect, etc, just lovely results.I've learned to not put so much stock into numbers & resolution testing and focus more on real life shots/examples of what the lens can produce. There's so much more to a lens than numbers. For a landscape lens- yes I want max sharpness. But for a portrait lens, I'm much more concerned with rendering characteristics. does it have 'mojo'?
Timbukto: We need a new metric that is not accounted for called 'rendering'. This is the same metric that enables us to say that this black and thin audio cable sounds a little 'tinny', but this more expensive red and white intertwined audio cable with a shiny nylon wrapping sounds 'full' and 'expansive'.
But in truth there are some lens testing methodologies that I wonder can be supplemented, for example the center point should not *always* be considered the 'reference' plane of focus, but another set of measurements should be made at mid-frame as the 'reference' plane of focus. So tests should not only test center resolution and measure from there, but establish midframe reference point as well.
Awesome post Greg VdB!
Denver Wedding Photographers: Why release such an expensive piece of glass, only to have such poor wide performance? Clearly its intended market is those who want wide open apertures.
What flavor is the hater-aid tkbslc? Dave stated exactly what the lens is- a portrait lens with a focus on bokeh, rendering, etc.
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