My reaction is mixed. In a field with an awful lot of me-tooism in play at all times, I have to hand it to HTC for a "hit 'em where they ain't." approach. The extreme wide FOV could be fun in the right circumstances. Given it's toy-like limitations, the RE's price isn't completely outrageous.
Then again, I have to wonder how quickly buyers will get past the experimenting stage and put the RE on a shelf near the Pet Rock and Rubik's Cube.
datiswous: I think not able to use a viewfinder (internal or via add-on) on a system camera kind of sucks, even if 80% of potential buyers won't need it. Even on high-end compacts this becomes kind of standard.
@le alain, I have presbyopia and wear glasses. I need dioptric adjustment on EVF's. The large-ish Pentax Q OVF is comfortable to use with glasses on, unlike my cameras with EVF. You might find it usable after all.
SW Anderson: Back to the future with a much better and more appropriate classic retro look -- one of the original Q's enjoyable features. For me, the Q-S1 isn't a matter of whether, but when, I'll get one.
For the Q's sniping detractors, photography for many of us isn't all about big, slick-magazine covers and two-page spreads. We'll never do billboards and might never indulge in exhibition-size prints. We can enjoy on-screen and small-print images, along with using a good-looking, well-made camera that provides an amazingly feature-rich, flexible shooting experience with easy portability. Some of our best images are more about a memory captured or scene preserved than impressive resolution and amazing sharpness seen via pixel peeping.
My Q is fun and useful in many picture-taking situations where my big, bulky but technically superior DSLR would be as out of place as a semi-truck at a gymkhana. Some folks seem to enjoy the Q as a target for put-downs. I see that as their loss, not mine.
Why? Probably because many young iPhone devotees are into sci-fi chic, to coin a term. Why were most episodes of the hugely popular X-Files series nearly all darkish/greenish, darkish/grayish? Why are sci-fi shows and movies so full of distortions such as graininess, out-of-focus sequences and anamorphic effects? Again, it's sci-fi chic lending an other-worldly ambiance.
The Holga- and Lomo-like special-effects filters on other cameras give sci-fi fans a piece of that action they can apply to their own images. That's my best guess, anyway.
The Q's "toy" lenses don't lend images those kinds of artsy and edgy effects. In fact, I've seen some remarkably crisp, well-rendered scenic images from the "toy" wide angle and some nice informal portraits and urban scenes done with the "toy" telephoto. I'm sure those photos benefited from some skillful post processing, but that can only do so much. The "toy" lenses aren't coke-bottle-glass bad by any means.
@Pat Cullinan Jr, windowless saloons in Oklahoma? LOL.
Thanks for the kind words, sorta. ;)
@TacticDesigns, the Holga phenomenon has always struck me as a kind of counterculture-statement thing. Not unlike the hippie era of rejecting suburbia, keeping up with the Joneses and conspicuous consumption, among other things. In the Holga fans' case, the rejection is against advanced-technology digital cameras with fine rare-earth lenses that sport sophisticated coatings. I don't for a moment think Pentax's motive for producing the "toy" lenses had anything to do with attracting the Holga crowd or playing off of the Holga's popularity. The Holga crowd isn't given to paying Pentax prices, and the thought of sporting a chic, classic camera design like the original Q's, titanium body and all, is probably enough to make a Holga partisan queasy.
Raist3d: The following photos were taken with the original Q body. The original Q did not have an 1/1.7'' sensor, but 1/2.3'' sensor which is even smaller.
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MysteryLemon: I would love to buy one or the older Q7. The one thing putting me off is the lack of fast lenses.
I own a Pentax MX-1 which has the same sensor. The zoom lens on it is superb opening to f1.8 at the wide end and not closing down much at the tele end. It's also reletively compact, even when fully retracted at the tele end. It's the perfect all purpose lens.
Until Pentax make an equivelant lens for the Q system, I wont be buying one. F2.8-4 just isn't good enough on a camera aimed at enthusiasts with a sensor this small. Better lenses can be made and affordable too. The MX-1 proves my case.
The Q's 01 prime lens is very sharp and has a max aperture of f/1.9. I don't know about you, but I can get some decent available-light shots with that at ISO 400. Of course, the 01 is not a zoom. For that I go old school and use my feet. That gets the job done in most situations.
NoRules: I did this with my Q7. I think it's good enough.http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3672812
Remarkable image and quite the ambitious project. A hat tip for a job well done. And with that supposedly awwwful tiiiny sensor, no less. Who knew? ;)
Ben O Connor: I wish to own this cutie. Especially for its tiny sensor. YES YOU RED IT RIGHT!
Sensor is the best for razor sharp C mount lenses. Surely its more like portrait-Tele for its crop factor. (12mm C lens would be 56mm for this one) and sharp as 0.75-1.3 !!!
Sharing can be managed by a eye-fi card somehow, but fixed rubbish resolution screen is no brainer.
And it also has a great built in flash even many microfourthirds and old NEX cameras does not!
@ThatCamFan, with your "Hello Ricoh employee" comment you're lapsing into trollish behavior. That makes me wonder if you have an agenda for coming here to bash a new camera model besides commenting as an enthusiast and consumer. That's because cameras you don't like are so easy to ignore, or should be. Why waste your time sharing snark about a camera you don't like? Why not move on to some thread where you can discuss a camera you do like?
In short, what's it to you?
So, maybe I should reply with, hello, Nikon (or Canon or Samsung or Sony) employee.
Actually, Pentax offers an optical viewfinder for use with the 01 prime lens. It's wildly overpriced and takes some practice so you can get your framing right, but it is available and can make a difference in bright, sunny condition.
If you're bemoaning the lack of an add-on EVF, I'm with you all the way. Pentax should take a page from Olympus' book and make one available.
Richard Murdey wrote: "I use my Nikon 1 V1 the way you use your Q. I get an EVF and a 1" sensor. You get ... toy lenses?"
I have a Nikon V1. It's a good, useful camera. I find the optics very good, the AF fast and responsive, and color rendition pleasing. Unquestionably, the EVF is a big plus. Still, I find the Q easier to carry and more fun to use. For one thing, the Q's controls layout works better for me.
Pentax probably blundered in introducing the Q with a few lower-cost lenses named "toy" because they weren't designed to the company's otherwise high optical standards. The idea, I think, was to give people moving up from fixed-lens point 'n' shoots a chance to see the different views possible with an interchangeable lens camera, and do it on a budget. That wasn't a bad idea, but purists' negative reaction has dogged the Q ever since.
If you prefer shooting with a V1, fine. Different strokes for different folks. Objectively, for my purposes and pleasure, the Q is fine for me.
SW Anderson: Note to Dpreview editor. The first use of "Affect" in the press release is a typo or wrong word choice. Farther on, it's correctly written as "Effect."
Secondly, the "Discuss in forums" link goes to Dpreview's Pentax DSLRs forum, not the Pentax Compact Camera forum where Q's are discussed.
Maybe these errors are just Monday things. ;)
@Jeff Keller responded, "That's a Pentax error. We just copy and paste what we're given."
Fear for the day some prankster at Pentax or some other source of news releases includes something outrageous, wildly misleading and/or highly offensive.
Maybe a better policy is to cite the source but reproduce what any source sends you with the attitude your publication will present what it presents correctly, even if what you received was faulty in some respect. ;)
iAPX: Where is the point for a 1/1.7" sensor, when there is offer with 1"™ sensors (that are largely under 1 inch), and APS-C sensors.
Hey,where is the point for a camera with an APS-C sensor when there are cameras available with even bigger sensors? Photography should be all about sensor size and the amount of money "serious" photographers can drop on each new top-of-line model that comes out, right?
neil holmes: 2.7x focal length multiplier?
The Pentax Q's crop factor is 5.6. The Q7's crop factor is 4.7 Nikon 1's crop factor is 2.7.
JanMatthys: $499.... at least they're realistic about their pricing, it has a real hot shoe, F/2.8-4.5 lens and takes real SD cards, this is much more logical than the Nikon V3 which has no real hot shoe, a slow zoom F/3.5-5.6 lens and a micro SD card and sells for $1,300!
It appears that when a company has Nikon's marketing muscle, it can get away with that kind of thing.
Note to Dpreview editor. The first use of "Affect" in the press release is a typo or wrong word choice. Farther on, it's correctly written as "Effect."
Back to the future with a much better and more appropriate classic retro look -- one of the original Q's enjoyable features. For me, the Q-S1 isn't a matter of whether, but when, I'll get one.
SW Anderson: From the news release: "Available in June 2014, the Nikon 1 S2, kitted with the 1 NIKKOR 11-27.5mm . . ."
Pardon my nit-pick, but "kit" is not a verb. Nikon's new cameras look interesting. The company shouldn't let a flack's mangling of the language detract from its announcement.
My, what a series of reactions to a brief, mildly stated criticism of an anonymous PR writer's sloppy use of language.
Sure, in conversational English people use nouns as verbs. Sometimes, as with Google/google, that usage turns out to be natural and indispensable. I have no problem with that. Maybe I had just seen one too many awkward, sloppy-language instances of nouns being used as verbs when I got to "kitted." So, I left a brief, critical comment.
I had no intention of being a grammar policeman. Being referred to as a Nazi is as offensive as it is uncalled for.
From the news release: "Available in June 2014, the Nikon 1 S2, kitted with the 1 NIKKOR 11-27.5mm . . ."
Re: MF vs. AF in Samyang lenses. I see an opening for some tech-savvy, enterprising person or outfit to develop add-on chip adapters for Samyang lenses (in all their brand-name variations). Preferably, to develop chip adapters tailored to different mounts and camera brands.
However, I see a potential chicken/egg problem. That enterprising, tech-savvy person might well look at the market and say there's not enough volume to make doing that development and manufacturing work profitable. Ironically, if that person were to take the risk, Samyang lenses would probably sell in greater volume, thanks to the availability of the chip adapters.
dodgebaena: thanks to focus peaking, I am quite comfortable shooting my Bower (a Samyang lens) 85f1.4 on my a99. This will be a nice walk-around lens for my NEX-6.
@lacikuss, unless you're after humorous effects, a 24mm lens is not a very good choice for portraiture.