DPReview007: It is funny how Canon gives you better resolution, a touch screen, a better AF system (than the 6D), a pop-up flash on its cheap, entry level DSLRs but none on its full frame bodies. Why? Why?
ooohhh i'm so pro, I don't even want Wi-Fi. It would be like a distraction :)
Good for you buddy. I like more features if I pay more for a camera, not less.
And yes, less for more doesn't make any sense to me. But then what do I know as I'm not a "pro".
Many of Canon's design choices are stuck in the film age.
Go SONY, Go Samsung!
Canon simply doesn't give us all that because their philosophy is to give the bare minimum required to defend their market share. then they are surprised that people rather use their smart phones that have all that functionality and DSLR shipments are declining by 10%+ each year.
Well, certain companies rather go bankrupt than make even simple changes. Do you guys remember Nokia and Blackberry???
Go SONY! And more recently, go Samsung! I'm considering switching. Once Sony has enough of the lenses I want, I don't see why I wouldn't.
You guys probably saw that Spanish talk show video with the English subtitles... So true...
Actually, I owned the Nikon 600D. Even Nikon's long-ass 24-70 2.8 didn't block the flash (only if you attached the hood.)
I'm also a ST-E3-RT and 600EX-RT guy and run around with an umbrella and a portable light stand. But when i go on vacation, it is a real bitch to pack all that crap I would much rather just make do with a popup flash.
Regarding selfies, who says that the full frame customer doesn't want them??? You should see my Facebook. i own several USD 2000+ lenses. that doesn't mean I don't want selfies, 4K video, a proper AF system, a popup flash, a touch screen to touch to focus when shooting video.
It is funny how Canon gives you better resolution, a touch screen, a better AF system (than the 6D), a pop-up flash on its cheap, entry level DSLRs but none on its full frame bodies. Why? Why?
No exposure comp in Auto ISO irks me. Why? Seriously?The WiFi app blows. It's not worked at all for months since Android Lollipop came out. For months now. It's a piece of junk anyways with very little control over shooting parameters.And there is the one point auto focus system. the central point is great. The rest is complete garbage, as if it wasn't there. One autofucus point is very '80s... Most of the issues with the 6D, of course, could be addressed via a firmware update. A firmware update that will never come. Hey, Canon is not Samsung, it's more like Apple... They don't care what the customer wants / thinks.
enenzo: Touch screen is for amateurs :-) and how do you use a touch screen when using the EVF?
amateurs? you can pull focus in video using a touch screen. you can move the focus point shooting stills so much more easily using a touch screen. you can navigate the menus more easily and quickly. it is a great piece of technology. i don't understand why camera companies think it's for "amateurs". ten year from now every pro camera will have them.
Well, for this price, one could get a kick-ass Nexus 6 (rumored to be coming in November) and a Sony RX100 or RX100II. (There have been some good deals on these earlier models lately for $350/$400 respectively.)
I own the Nexus 5 and the RX100II. I still think that is a better combination than this hybrid device. It is in fact a fantastic party camera combo. The NFC is awesome.
If this new Pana was like $700, i would bust out my credit card right away. But paying $1100+ for an average phone that will certainly be obsolete technologically (as a phone, not as a camera) by the time it hits the shelves, hmmm, not so sure about that...
I applaud Panasonic for their fantastic effort though. Let's see the image test results. And hope for a deal on this baby soon.
Joe Coolpix: I'm not liking the trend for the RX100 to get thicker. As a guy who likes to throw his P&S in my front jeans pocket, the original RX100 at 36mm was appealing. But the ii and now iii have grown in thickness a couple mm each time. At this rate, the RX100ix in 10 years will be another inch thicker. I like the Canon S trend better, with each successor getting thinner until this last S120 bumping up to 1.14 but still thinner than the S90's 1.22 inches. We're talking pocket cameras here not cars and each new one should get smaller not larger.
I couldn't agree more. The RX100 was just pocketable. The mk II not so much. The mk III iis thick. It is definitely NOT pocketable anymore. In fact, at this rate, it's two iteration away before it catches up withe the full frame A7. Sadly, I'm not joking.
Seriously Sony, this is supposed to be a pocket camera. Please get rid of the gimmicky tilt screen and the pop-up viewfinder, and slim it down. Please make this camera functional, not cool.
Would you please include in your review how much better the new flash position may be in practice? Theoretically, being on axes, it should eliminate some of the nasty shadows I get with the Mk I and Mk II.
Sadly, I also get red eye with the Mk I and Mk II. That may have gotten even worse with the Mk III. Oh well, this is a compact camera (that once was pocketable but alas not anymore....)
Also, what makes this camera so much thicker? Is it the new lens or is it that useless pop-up viewfinder? (Sorry, nobody under 30 knows / cares what a viewfinder is.)
We know the useless flip screen added 2mm to the thickness.
For various reasons (the list is very long,) I cannot be on an Apple. If I want a light and powerful Windows laptop for image editing that has good battery life, is there anything that can match the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro in terms of performance? I’ve been looking for one, but even models like the newest Razer Blade 14 and the Alienware 14 are lagging behind on various performance benchmarks. Not to mention how they look (the Alienware and MSI GT70 Dragon would be simply embarrassing to pull out at a business meeting, and they are huge and heavy…)
Still no Auto ISO when you use flash... Puzzling.
aerorail: thom hogan
If you're looking for the best image quality you can produce from a shirt pocket camera that has a great deal of flexibility, then buy the RX-100. Or the RX-100II if you think the tilt LCD, WiFi, or EVF option will be useful. I've been carrying this camera around the world with me for over two years now. It's never disappointed me for compact-type camera usage. Never. That's saying a lot.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond award from me. As dpreview admits, this is the clear class leader. I'm somewhat confused about their "silver award"...
bert01: I think dpreview is being a troll on it's own review just to create controversy. Giving the RX100 the Silver award for being the best in its class makes a mockery of their rating system.
i suppose Daniel is being sarcastic here...
BTW, I love the UI! If you customize your Fn button, you can put everything on there that you need quick access to.
Joseph Mama: I don't understand the complaints about the battery charger. It is WAY easier to charge using any ole random mini-USB cable, rather than drag around a specific battery charger. It makes for a more elegant charging table.For a whopping 18 dollars, you can buy TWO backup batteries and an external charger from @mazawn. This is what I did with my RX100 and the backups have worked excellent.
oh, and if you're not an iDiot, you'll love the NFC!
same here. i charge my RX100II through my phone's charge (if you're not an iDiot, you can do it too.) a lot more convenient than making sure you're not forgetting your outside charger.
it's a Pro, not a Con!
DPReview007: Thinking about it more, this camera is so innovative, so peerless, so amazing for its size, so without competition, pushes the envelop SO MUCH, if this is not a GOLD, what is???
:) i bought one the first week it came out. I also bought the RX100 the first week it came out. yes the price is punchy. but it is punchy for a reason. no competition. still. a full year on. nobody is even getting close.
i think the price is justifiable. yes, it costs as much as a mid range, APS-C DSLR. but it takes just as good pictures. So i don't see why people are complaining.
BTW, I'm not a Sony sales rep. my full frame camera is a Canon, and I love Nikons, too. (Had my D600 not spit oil all over its sensor, I would be on Nikon.) But whenever i touch a Sony camera, it stuns me how much better the functionality is. they are years ahead of Canikon in terms of giving the customer what the customer wants.
Thinking about it more, this camera is so innovative, so peerless, so amazing for its size, so without competition, pushes the envelop SO MUCH, if this is not a GOLD, what is???
This should be a GOLD. Really.
I owned the RX100. I didn't last a year. So I had to buy the RX100II. It's amazing.
I HATE the tilting screen (and the hot shoe, although less so.) It makes the camera bulkier, and its completely useless. This camera should fit into my pocket. The RX100 barley fit in there. The MkII is worse.
Re some of the negatives listed in the above review: the tracking AF is a lot more reliable than on my full frame Canon (Canon's AI servo really blows.) To be fair, given the smaller sensor / much thicker focus plane, it is easier to get it right here than on full frame.
Re the shooting experience, I love it. I put everything I need on the Fn Button. Works really well. Sure, if you are coming from Canikon, it'll be different. But I find it better than Canon's.
The functionality of this thing blows my mind. I wish my Canon 6D could do this much.
What's badly needed is a touch screen that doesn't tilt, and the MkIII will be a real winner.
DEFINITELY A GOLD!
i got my rx100M2 last week. complete with its bulky, really stupid tilting screen and equally bizarre hot shoe:
- number of times i have tilted the screen / will ever tilt the screen: every time i drop it until it break off completely and adds an additional $300 in repair cost to the camera's $750 price- number of times i cursed the Sony execs who made the fattening and really stupid tilt-screen decision: every time i tried to jam the fattened device into my jeans' pocket- number of times i wished the screen was a touch screen: every single time i tried to focus on off-center subjects i.e. a lot
Kudos for the NFC. It works awesomely well (sorry iFanatics, you won't have that. but then you don't have a lot of things every other smart phone user has, and nothing they do have:)
WiFi: one cannot control basic settings: aperture, ISO, shutter speed. only shoot. Really? Really? i think you can also touch focus, which is fantastic.
lens: it is a bit soft. especially if i compare it to my superbly sharp Canon L lenses. i realize it'll never be as sharp as a full frame system. if Sony could improve sharpness, that would be great. probably quite en engineering challenge.