I clicked through to the story just to read the comments. Whenever a camera is offered in colors other than black or silver, the discussion always gets hilariously contentious.
"sensor with almost twice the physical size of the largest 35 mm DSLR sensor"Hasselblad math: 1.67=2
Here's something I find puzzling (and slightly irritating): When I consider buying a lens, by far the most important spec is the focal length (and the equivalent focal length with same field of view in 135-format). Why is it so impossibly difficult to find this information for phone cameras? It's as "key" as "key specifications" get. In this case you do find an approximate number if you read the entire review, but in many cases not even that.
rccasgar: Willing to see an exhaustive comparison between this camera and Sony RX-10... now I have a G1X Mk1 and both of them solve everything I don't like of it: slow AF, no ring dial around the lense (makes very uncomfortable to shot in manual gocus), poor macro and no tactile LCD...
Regarding the lack of viewfinder, this is something that doesn't worry me too much (even being a nice to have, don't get me wrong).
My main doubt now is if I should go for the constant f2.8 lens from the Sony (even if this means a heavy gear and a smaller sensor) or to go for the G1X Mk2, which is faster on the wide end but slower at the other end. Heavy gear normally means better handling, and as none of them are pocketable, I want to make the decision only based on IQ and polivalence.
Adding: Of course, what really is impressive about the current Sony sensors is that they manage the same performance as the others but with higher pixel counts. Whether that matters to you depends on whether the additional resolution is useful to you (i.e., do you not mind the bigger files and are you printing larger than A3 or in the habit of cropping heavily rather than zooming in).
Menneisyys: I don't think that's true for the latest generation sensors -- Sony, Canon, Panasonic, are all really close as far as SNR and DR are concerned over the entire ISO range (after adjusting ISO relative to sensor area to make things comparable); the only remaining advantage that Sony has over Canon is base-ISO DR. Panasonic has caught up with this with their latest generation (GX7, GM1), let's see if Canon now has as well.
In any case, while base-ISO DR has a huge impact on how DXOMark computes their summary scores, in practice there's few people for whom this matters much. In indoors situations you're not at base ISO, so SNR and DR is about the same between all current sensors (after scaling for sensor area). If you're at base ISO for landscapes and have a high-dynamic-range scene, you'll probably be doing exposure bracketing and HDR anyway.
rccasgar: The G1XII is 1.9x crop and the RX10 is 2.7 crop, so that's a full stop difference. To make it comparable to the G1XII numbers, you have to think of the RX10 as f/4.
Hachu21: Max apertures dug from official Canon samples Exifs:24mm => f/2 (we allready know)31.1/33.7mm => f/3.239.4mm => f/3.6
From lenstip via "luckypenguin" at the photography-on-the.net forums:.............G1X.......G1X Mark II24mm....( - ).......(f/2)28mm....(f/2.8)...(f/2.8)35mm....(f/3.5)...(f/3.2)50mm....(f/4.5)...(f/3.5)85mm....(f/5.6)...(f/3.9)100mm..(f/5.6)...( f/3.9)112mm..(f/5.8)...(f/3.9)120mm..( - ).......(f/3.9)
Thanks, very useful info. Seems that it's roughly equivalent (in 135-format terms) to 24/4.0, 28/5.6, and around f/7 for everything else. Slightly disappointing, would have liked to see f/2.8 at 17mm or even 25mm (equivalent 35/5.6 and 50/5.6), but still incredibly impressive for the size of the camera.
Aleo Veuliah: Well, Micro 4/3 has now 4K film mode. Another great camera on this wonderful system.
Shamael: tell that to people who pay 10K+ for cameras with single 2/3'' sensor (factor of four crop: one quarter the area of micro four-thirds), and that don't even do 4K.
Naveed Akhtar: Who are the fantastic four who chose the option "I had it" ..
It's easy to click "I have it" by accident in the product description page, and then when you try to say you don't have it this is what sometimes happens... (Adding: this problem is there for all products, it just becomes very noticeable in the case of newly announced products.)
DonJorn: Is there a way to use the EVF for shooting and for the picture to be viewed on the LCD display afterwards without changing between the two it in the EVF/LCD Settings?
I keep hoping for this feature. For the two things to happen at the same time is likely not possible just with a firmware update: the hardware would have to be designed to be able to drive two separate screens independently. However a simple, and maybe better, solution is possible just with a simple firmware update adding the following option: if you keep your eye on the EVF, the camera continues giving you the live view uninterrupted; if the proximity sensor detects you taking the eye off the EVF, the LCD displays the most recent image (for, say 10 seconds, and then both LCD and EVF go black to save power; any time you put your eye back to the EVF it goes back to live view and the LCD is turned off).
Miwok: Traveling compagnion?Why would I buy an Fuji XE2 when I can find a Sony NEX-6 for half of the price. I like traveling with a backpack in some not so safe countries, and don't want to paranoid about getting rob of $2k of gear (X-E2 + a couple of glass)
At B&H, you can get the XE1 kit for USD 800, and the NEX 6 kit for USD 750. The XE1 comes with a 2.8-4.0 zoom, the NEX 6 with a 3.5-5.6 zoom. That seems to make the Fuji, by a wide margin, the better deal.
Miwok: Why should go with this camera when a NEX-6 give me almost the same for half the price?
At B&H, XE1 for USD 800, NEX 6 for USD 750. The XE1 comes with a 2.8-4.0 zoom, the NEX 6 with a 3.5-5.6 zoom. That seems to make the Fuji, by a wide margin, the better deal.
topstuff: the image will look very similar on a 35mm-format sensor at 85mm, f/2.4, 1/1300 sec, ISO 800.
Richard Franiec: Looks like fun.Just curious.Are you using the camera or smartphone for grab shots?
A camera, evidently, judging by the depth of field.
LarryLatchkey: Wow, a lot of luminance noise at higher iso (studio scene)! really grainy… but that way it seems to keep considerably more low contrast details than competitors, even entry-level D-SLRs.
Olympus will be forced to lower the price of its M4/3 cameras soon, because this one comes with a nicer kit lens & (to my taste) better IQ at exactly half the price of an E-M5 or an E-P5! Even the E-PL5 is more expensive.
Plus, I actually find the A1 feels more comfortable in your hand than the Olympuses. (is that the correct plural of Olympus? ^^ )
If you want to follow the Latin, I believe it should be Olympi.
misolo: "bono-ruggedized" - mental image of Bono kicking the camera around on stage...
dammit, they fixed the typo. that was a lovely auto-correct.
MPA1: Only 15 meters? Not really a Nikonos replacement then when the sport diving limit is generally 40-50 metres - never mind the pro diving limit on mixed gas etc.
this camera is for snorkeling, boating, etc., not for scuba diving. however, if they make a housing for it, it would be a great camera for diving: housings sometimes leak, and when you open and close the housing on a diving boat or around wet gear, things can get unpleasant for electronic equipment. having a waterproof camera to go inside your housing can be a very good idea.
RStyga: It cannot compete IQ-wise with the other DSLM manufacturers so is this what the marketing dept has come up with to save the day? Oh, well, some people will even call it "pioneering"...
meanwhile: you can get similar IQ for a similar overall price with a high-end compact with a waterproof housing, but it'll be a much bulkier package and less versatile (though usable for scuba diving, whereas this is just for snorkeling). nevertheless, it's an outstanding entry in a niche that has long been frustratingly empty.
i just may buy my first digital nikon product...