At least Sony is trying to save photography from the smartphones' sensors and their ultra wide lenses used for portraits...
Petak: How is a camera without a viewfinder a rangefiner-style camera? I'd say it's closer to a tv-style camera :-)))
Monkey: the problem here is that Samsung (like Fuji) should target enthusiasts, since the average user will always choose canikon. I was referring to ppl "ready" to buy a Samsung camera in the range of 500-1000$, when quoting my numbers. And out of 100 of those, at most 5-10 would like a camera shaped like nx30.
Ravenant, you are indeed right. Considering that Sony a7 is much smaller (despite being ff) than Samsung nx30 proves that a dslr like aps-c camera could be about as small (or marginally bigger) than the em-5. But the fact is that Samsung does not seem to understand that most ppl that went to mirrorless did that to leave back the DSLR shape and feel. There could be some liking it (say 5%?), but all the others will prefer smaller cameras WITH evf.
tecnoworld: I hope that this model, so similar to its bigger brother nx300, means that a future nx400 will have an embedded evf as rumored, in a rangefinder form factor.
It doesn't really make any sense to have two models w/o evf in the lineup. No evf is OK for entry level, not for mid/high range.
The first thing to be noticed by average buyers are bodies. And Samsung bodies are, IMO, less 'sexy' than Sony and Fuji. That's why Samsung needs at least three distinct lines: a pro (nx1) a rangefinder with evf (nx400) a good entry level (nx3000/4000). The DSLR styled one can be cannibalised by nx1 on one side and nx400 on the other.
I hope that this model, so similar to its bigger brother nx300, means that a future nx400 will have an embedded evf as rumored, in a rangefinder form factor.
Howabout, as always you're the only one saying that nx has better IQ than Sony. Please post those comparative samples side by side and be scientific about them.
I'm constantly amused by ppl going against dxo when their favourite camera looses there.
The sensor in a6000 is, by measurements, at least half a stop better than the best nx sensor in Dr and 1/3 to half better in high Iso. Besides, it's 24mp vs 20mp, so 20% more. I won't reply anymore unless I see scientific measurements proving different figures.
Not according to dxo. As long as you don't have a scientific measurement, I will give credit to dxo. Sorry.
Right, the evf in a6000 is below average. The one in x-e2 is far better and I'm sure Sony will put better evfs in future models. Anyway a6000 is a real bargain, giving the best IQ for aps-c in a small package WITH evf. Samsung is far from offering a similar value in its products.
Badi, if I weren't invested in Samsung NX lenses, I'd nave switched to fuji long ago. Much better form factor, far better jpg engine, gorgeous evf, bigger buffer, best overall building quality, far better support and fw upgrade path and much more.
But, having many (and sometimes expensive) nx lenses, I can only hope they'll release a decent body with evf to go with them, that does not resemble a bulky DSLR.
Samsung is among the few brands that still haven't understood that most ppl buying into mirrorless want three things:
1) small size2) low weight3) good evf
All of this at the same time can ONLY be accomplished by a rangefinder (like Sony a6000 or Fuji x-e2).
Samsung has either small cameras w/o evf (like this nx3000 or the higher end nx300) or bigger cameras resembling DSLR (like the nx30). That's why they are way less appealing than Sony.
Ulfric M Douglas: It comes in Brown!Win!
It locks after 5. The nx200 was 8, the nx300 is worse. A real shame, actually.
After this camera, I think that no premium compact and no medium/high CSC (at least in the 650$ + range) can come out w/o 4k recording.
Very well done, Panasonic.
I use their leash, coupled with a c-loop tripod mount. Very cool combo for light (less than 1kg) cameras , IMO.
This morning I had the opportunity to test this camera for about one hour (formerly I tried it in shop only). The af is impressive to say the least, compared to my Samsung nx300 (even with its fastest lenses on, like myn16-50 f2-2.8). I was able to lock focus on a passing biker and on a flying bird, with great precision. Also the buffer is great (the one of nx300 is ridiculous).
The evf is not as good as the one in x-e2, but does not show rainbows as the one in nx30 does.
I don't like the lack of a touch screen. I use it for focus point setting only, but that is handy. The rear display is about at the same level (quite low) of my nx300. Not visible in sunlight. But a6000 has evf, so it's fine.
I love the form factor, feels great in hands and during use.
I'm still perplexed about lens offering by Sony. Some good but expensive ones, many not so good ones.
I really like those pictures and the idea behind them.
Very nice camera. I think that all the cameras aimed to ppl not satisfied with a phone cam should include an evf. So basically every stand alone camera.
And the pop up evf is simply a smart solution. It's great to see so many innovations thx to Sony.
Thx to all who voted! Of course I have the usual haters that voted low, knowing that the pic was mine :) thx to you as well, for taking your precious time to hate me so much :)
Never been interested in bridge cams, but this one stands out. I'm impressed!!
tecnoworld: Just a consideration from the data here on DPR:
NX30 -> 15 I own, 69 I want, 11 I hadA6000 -> 261 I own, 152 I want, 22 I had
That's a huge difference. I don't say that DPR can be considered a reference for the market, but for sure it's not totally different as well. Market penetration of NX compared to other mirrorless systems is tiny (NX30 market share less than 6% of that of A6000).
I'm curious to see, if they finally make a rangefinder NX1 as rumores, if things are going to change and improve (I guess so).
The price drop is not a right advantage. Samsung must understand that they NEED to compete on prices and NOT offer cameras on par or lower than others at higher prices. This way they'll never succeed.
E.g. I paid 570€ for my nx300, in april 2013. Since feb 2014 it costs about 350€. Instead of dropping it 35-40% in less than one year, they should lauch cameras at 20% less than they do and then drop it 20% in one year, as others do. Much betr price politicy.
I know, but ppl on the market for those cameras make a lot of attention to style and look, as an added bonus to iq. And many won't buy a samsung unless it's clearly superior and has better aestethics.
A friend of mine, on the market for a smaller camera than his dslr, after seeing my nx300 and a nx30 in a shop, decided to go for the a6000, since it's as small and light as the nx300, has the evf, much faster operations and higher mp count. I tried to explain that in the long run he'll spend more for the lenses, but he, as most, gave more importance to the body.
If nx300 had been rangefinder like a6000, perhaps he'd buy it, since he wanted the evf in that kind of body.