PureShot: on April 29th, 2015Samsung will implement a totally new firmware in the Samsung NX1 camera, the upcoming firmware will improve the performance of the camera at many levels, that include AF performance, better noise reduction algorithm and much more…. but unfortunately we don’t have the time frame when the firmware is expected to arrive.
Thx, let's hope those rumors are real and true. The nx1 is a young product, with many months to live as the top end camera in the samsug lineup. I think they should do everything they can to improve it (especially its af) in order to compete with the best of other brands.
iloc: Why do you shoot a prime lens against a zoom lens? Doesn't seem to be a fair competition if you prefer/favor the nikon like this. Why didn't you take the Samsung NX Lens 45 mm 1.8 2D/3D?
I'm constantly puzzled by this. Both my 45/1.8 and 60/2.8 are better than the 16-50s, especially when the latter is used at 50mm. Even the 30/2 is a bit better.
Oh, and the 50-150mm is better, also.
Mark van Dam: Question for dpreview. In the exposure latitude section of the review you state: "It's a touch ahead of the Samsung NX1 after a 6EV push, though the purple tinge (possibly a result of Adobe Camera Raw profiling), makes this a little hard to judge."Sorry, I'm confused how you came to this conclusion. What elements of the D7200 image seem better? I'm sorry, I'm not seeing them. In this exposure latitude test, every camera has the issue of discoloration in the deepest shadows when exposure is really pushed, except for the Samsung NX1. If the D7200 profile is wrong, then maybe all of the other profiles are wrong too. Perhaps this test calls into question the feasibility of using a third party raw converter for this test.
I downloaded both pictures (nx1 and d7200) locally. Then downsized nx1's down to 24mp. Then looked at both at 100%. The nx1 to my eyes clearly has more details and better colors. I'm not talking just about magenta cast in d7200, but better blacks in nx1 and better color fidelity in general (e.g. look at the palette in the picture, or at the faces). The grain in nx1 is not big deal and hardly can be defined as digital luminance noise, since it is very film like.
Imo iso 100+6 from nx1 is really outstanding.
If you resize both to the lower res one (nx1 down to 24mp) the noise gets similar, but yes the nx1 is a tiny bit more grained, perhaps. But much less chroma, imho, and better/more real colors.
I totally agree.
When pushing iso 100 (especially at +5 or +6), I personally prefer how nx1 retains colors and detail. Probably d7200 has a tad less luminance noise, but the color cast is reddish.
Very nice! Which kind of lighting did you use? Off camera flash?
Humpy: Being a simple chap, I always thought that cameras were primarily for taking photographs or videos. The detail of the machine's internals make interesting reading - very interesting, if you're a manufacturer - but the components of your reviews that matter to me are your lab tests, your sample pictures, and the camera's ergonomics and build quality.On those bases, the Samsung NX1 looks like a good camera. But it doesn't look 10% better than the competition.Perhaps you can explain this to me?
I even doubt about x-t1 as a competitor. Perhaps the incoming (??) x-pro2. And all the other quoted apsc cams can at most be considered competitor for stills, but NOT video.
panpen: Most posts here remind me of my neighbor and his Hyundai.
He always says his 3L engine Hyundai can do as good as my 3L BMW because they are about the same size. He questioned me a few times about the price I paid for my BMW. Every time I tell him the price (close to $45k) he tells me his Hyundai cost him half of that. The thing is, he doesn't know, I know he can't afford a BMW. I always let him believe our cars are 'almost the same'. Ciao
Panpen: so you buy expensive stuff just because 'you can' and not because they are any good?
mediasorcerer: So the a6000 is 1 mark less than the nx1 @ dxo, 82 v 83.And its 1/3 the price. And smaller and lighter.a7r blows the samsung away [95v83] and its 2- 300$ more, hmmm.Too overpriced for nx1- no wonder its not selling very well.The lenses for nx-1 are Huge too.for the same price as nx1 and lens, you can have sony ff a7/r and lens.Or body only either one give or take 100 odd dollars.hmmmm.If you own an a6000 you got value for money, not so much with nx1 though.Highly overpriced.
It's really silly to read all of these posts, which are identical among them, based ONLY on dxo score.
So if nx1 had a higher score you would run and buy it??
The fact is that perceived iq and dxo are very different matters.
Read the posts below and my replies. Do the comparisons I suggested, then report back.
FiveForm: Hmmmm....Let's see. Fifteen Hundred for an NX1 body and I paid four-fifty for my new a6000 from Adorama this past holiday season. So, this body is worth more than three times an a6000? It is that good? I'm really not seeing where in this review that would be substantiated....One reason for not changing brands is familiarity and lenses. I feel that all cameras are now at the point where you can buy one and settle on it for a bit, even with the sirens calling from the shores of other brands and models...
Jj:So for you dxo numbers are more important that real results?As I said in my other post below, please go on dpr, nx1 review, and compare images with their tool. Specifically, compare:- iso 3200 and 6400 (with a6000, nikon 7200 and whatever other apsc you may want), resized to the lower mp among the two- iso 3200 and 6400 with a7, resized to 24mp- iso 100 +6ev and compare to whatever other camera, again resized to match the lower mp camera of the selectionThe last one is the most surprising.
Definitely. They had a limited sale, down of 300$ iirc. Now back at full.
I was lucky to find a new one on sale 3 months ago. Great camera, really. I wouldn't swap it for any ff one.
Please read the replies to refillable, few posts below.
Happy Jones: The NX1 looks very impressive. In most of the scenes is competes favorably with the latest Sony FF camera, the A7ii. The D7200 might be even better which might have people questioning some of the benefits of a FF body. The sensor these days has become such a minor consideration because of how close these cameras now are.But for everything else it is like comparing an entry level body vs. a professional body. 15 FPS vs. 5 FPS, 4k video vs. moire filled 1080p, and a lot more very big differences. It makes the NX1 seem like a bargain for anyone wanting the best performance overall.
The error most ppl do is comparing images w/o resizing them to a common minimum area. E.g. you don't have to look 100% zoomed in a 28mp image and compare it against a 100% zoomed in 12mp one!!
Resize both at 12mp and then compare.
Same for 24mp.
Jylppy: Just tried NX1 briefly in a store. It has the best EVF I have ever tried and it starts to be at acceptable level (for a user used to FF OVF ). The NX1' EVF is far better vs. Fuji XT-I or Sony Alpha 7 II. However, the lag is noticeable and the view is nothing to compare e.g. Nikon D810's superb OVF (which is far better than in my Canon 5DII's, btw).
Another notable thing is its mechanical construction. It did not feel a high-end camera at all, but a poorly build plastic toy. I do not know is this impression due to low weight or not, but compared to Nikon's D800 and Canon 5DII the camera felt like a toy. Not a serious, robust photographic tool.
I never used a d810, while I played with a d600, and the evf in nx1 is not much smaller than it, imo. I really like this evf,for me it's way more than 'acceptable'...
refillable: I am honestly perplexed now... I don't think this camera is much different than my a6000, yet it is more expensive. There is no clear advantage from my camera to this, as far as I know. Except 4K recording which is not that important to be honest. Can someone explain to me what justification the '87%' rating is opposed to a6000's 80%? Thanks
Refill, I get your idea. But then a6000 can have a better performance/price ratio (even if I'm not 100% sure about this) while yet a lower (about 10% lower) total score.
With your idea, cameras costing several k$ would never reach high votes (since they are not 3x or 4x the performance of others costing, say, 1000$).
That said, having paid 1.225€ (shipping included) for nx1, almost 3 months ago, I think it's worth every cent I took out of my pockets. Rather, when I bought the nx300 at 580€ (2 years ago) I immediately thought it was too much for that camera.
ThePhilips: > ISO Invariance
Oh my. Since I'm not much interested in the stuff, I have missed half the page #10. The most interesting half.
And - oh my freaking god - this is finally happening!
Finally, ISO starts becoming just another exposure variable, not exposure handicap!
BSI FTW! Bravo, Samsung!
With canon you definitely can't underexpose, since iso 100 pulled ahead is significantly worse than higher iso. Even for sony this practice introduces chroma noise.
But with this samsung sensors it even seems that iso 100 pulled ahead if 5 is even better than iso 3200. Why this happens I don't know, but that's what I'm seeing in my pics and in dpr test pics.
Again, I would not underexpose -5 by default. But rather, I wouldn't mind having some areas in my picture heavily underexposed, in favour of well exposed highlights.
Armandino, considering the nx1 is poorer in highlight recovery than shadows, I'd say that exposing for the highlight could be the right way of shooting with it, considering how well shadows can be lifted w/o introducing too much noise.
This is in general, of course, when speaking of highlights on the main subject, not somewhere in the frame.
Refill...obliterated? Actually up to iso 6400 I prefer nx1 to a7, when nx1 is downsized to match a7. A7s is better, but not more than 1 stop (as also dxo mark confirms) and has less than half pixels.
A7r is the only one beating nx1 and having more mp. But has worse af, no 4k and slowmo fhd, much slower burst, smaller buffer. And when you use s lenses on nx1 vs f4 zooms on a7r, the difference in iq and dof is negligible to say the least.
Refill...the most obvious things are: much better evf, bigger buffer, faster burst, faster af, better overal iq and dr, weather sealing, much, much better video. And s lenses.