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Camediadude
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MarcLee: To the people whining about "the competition does not have this", or "the competition does not have that", get real. Unless you buy a high end camera, your camera does not have a bunch of functions that owners of a 1DX for example have. Sometimes not spending so much has a small disadvantage. Taking a stand against greed may involve a little sacrifice. It's this attitude that has made Adobe the monster it is. Let the suckers pay Adobe's overheads for less innovation. There is plenty of software out there to do MOST of what MOST people need. Support it and it will do more. Find out what you need. And buy it. I would like a 5D MK III to cost no more than my point and shoot. Guess what? It ain't going to happen.
And it is also our choice to vent our frustrations here, which I am glad to be free to do.
Glad as I am to see this article, -of course- nothing in life can ever be all roses!
It would have been nice if the2nd AND the last of the items on your list of '11 alternatives' here were NOT both Adobe products, but ok, I will limit my complaints to just that, and also give you a pass on it this time, dpreview ;)
Good one! I am looking forward to reading more in days to come.
The damage is done. I have seen their true colors.
They care far too much more about money and shareholders than they do about their customers. It is one thing to make a profit. It is another thing entirely to ignore and step all over the users of your product, that are the lifeblood of this or of any company. Extremely poor long-term business strategy. If I was a shareholder, I would be quite livid actually. But perhaps short-term cashing out, at the expense of others below and to all sides, is increasingly what the titans of industry seem to be set on doing?
At any rate, I want absolutely nothing to do with a company like Adobe now.
Greynerd: The advantage of Photoshop is you can buy find books easily on how to use it. I used to use Paintshop Pro but there seems to be a dearth of printed literature on how to use it to its full extent.
If more people make the switch, then those other programs will become attractive to write books for as they gain market share.
Nothing at first is ever super smooth or easy, but it could be well worth it in the long run. I am taking a serious look at Corel's products now..
I may also get their WordPerfect product on a tangential note, as I have had it up to here with Windows Office, -as well as- the bloated Open Office alternatives.
MarcLee: To the people whining about "the competition does not have this", or "the competition does not have that", get real. Unless you buy a high end camera, your camera does not have a bunch of functions that owners of a 1DX for example have. Sometimes not spending so much has a small disadvantage. Taking a stand against greed may involve a little sacrifice. It's this attitude that has made Adobe the monster it is. Let the suckers pay Adobe's overheads for less innovation. There is plenty of software out there to do MOST of what MOST people need. Support it and it will do more. Find out what you need. And buy it. I would like a 5D MK III to cost no more than my point and shoot. Guess what? It ain't going to happen.
GaryJp, I have read about those very valid sounding complaints many times before here and elsewhere. But you are right, many of us are not -truly- waking up to the level that their greed has been reaching, until recently.
Combatmedic870: So what will DPR be using for the camera reviews? Still adobe? Or are you guys going to be switching?
Mark, while I can certainly try my best to see your point as you approach this from a pro perspective, the statistics you put here are kind of curious, I am not sure where you got them!
Remember the old rule about message boards, especially on a site like this where we are just commenting below news or an article: the majority of people will not post anything, and rather will mostly lurk or just enjoy it without feeling compelled to type here incessantly as some of us do.
So, between you as a pro, and I as a total amateur, we are not necessarily representative of the bulk of dpreview's audience overall. This site reaches out to a LOT of people, (many of whom are QUITE influential in the industry, based on numerous indications given over the years).
Sure, I believe that what you are saying is very valid and that many will not only -not care- too much about these developments, a certain few will actually be pleased by it.
But there is no denying this: Adobe has burned MANY bridges.
SRT3lkt: I saw thousands of people commenting on the articles about Adobe's new subscription plan. Where Have All The People Gone?
Give it time, there will be more comments. There was hysteria before, but rightly so, which has abated somewhat ... but know this:
We may calm down, but we will never forget.
Adobe has lost a customer for life in me with their greedy actions and domineering ways.
So no, this article (with comments split up as mentioned) is not as sexy or sparking of emotion, but is very well received here, IS getting comments and reads, and will prove to be very useful over time. I have it bookmarked and I bet many others do too.
I was hoping for a story -just like this- .. and as also mentioned by numerous others below, dpreview came through with the goods!
Glad to see it, thanks.
balios: People asked and DPreview delivered. Thanks for the article.
Agreed! This article is welcomed.
Prognathous: DPR: What's the point of having two separate comment threads for this story (one here, the other in the review page)? This is the same story and the comments should be in one place.
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A gilded turd, how lovely.
sjredo: No comments on the BLACK 75mm?
It certainly looks nice on this new Pen. I just wonder how many peeved silver 75mm buyers will now be looking to sell or trade their silver to get a black colored lens instead! That's life I suppose...
(I for one do wish they made everything one color, black, and worried more about function than form, like prioritizing sealing for all lenses and cameras, over style and color, but that's just me.. and I really don't see them rehashing the entire line up just with sealing. That would possibly only cause more annoyance than pleasure at this point, I suspect!)
brebis: This poll is biased because you can only choose one reason when there are several. That means results will be wrongly used by Adobe to say that for instance only 3.8% chose "The need to occasionally connect to the Internet" whereas I would have chosen that reason but chose another one that was slightly more relevant, but only slightly.
That means the 3.8% result does not mean anything.
I agree that it is flawed, and so I did not vote.
(but I made my own little poll below lol)
Adobe is reminding me a bit of the American telecom companies now, and how they have decided to go full scale in squeezing consumers.
Except of course with the telecoms we truly have little option, and it is done with the government's approval at ever level, city state and local.
Here, we have a bit more choice, and the market will indeed dictate Adobe's future. (It looks grim for them)
Camediadude: A nonsense poll.
You are being soft on Adobe!
Here, I will make the correct poll below:
Concerns:
A. Adobe is being greedy as heck.
B. They are being evil AND greedy as heck.
C. Regardless, I will not give a single cent more to such a company, be they evil or not, out of principle!
Spit on your long time loyal customers, and it is sayonara time!
D. All of the above
E. None of these
I pick D, all of the above.
I thumb up you gsum because you bring up excellent points. (except for my poll being useless lol, but I can take criticism :P )
So do please feel free to add on further to my poll!
F. And what about fixing Photo$hop's basic problems - the crippled RH mouse control, lousy memory management, poor image overlaying and ancient toolset - before embarking on this 'innovation'? -gsum
It is the beginning of the end for Adobe.
Gorgeous! Congrats!
A nonsense poll.
You are being soft on Adobe!
Here, I will make the correct poll below:
Concerns:
A. Adobe is being greedy as heck.
B. They are being evil AND greedy as heck.
C. Regardless, I will not give a single cent more to such a company, be they evil or not, out of principle!
Spit on your long time loyal customers, and it is sayonara time!
D. All of the above
E. None of these
I pick D, all of the above.
I love how these mega-conglomerates like google have gotten into the habit of whispering in our ears as to what we "want" and "need" ...
and now they seem all about creating and feeding this moronic manufactured frenzy, trying to brainwash masses and get big media to be its lapdog in manipulating easily influenced people to lust over and consume their next big idiarrhea device (which of course keep getting to be more and more like something out of an Orwellian future, it is never to push us towards something useful that can benefit humanity, like the Lifestraw just as an example).
It is not even close to a marketing campaign that a camera company might engage in, no, this is exponentially on a whole other level. It is disturbing and gross to see.
"do not evil" indeed...