mpgxsvcd: Wow those are some impressive specs. I like the sound of this:
1080p 30fps (HDR mode)1080p 60fps720p 60fps
the 808 cant be replaced for a long long time....sensor size rules...and has always been, these are just workaround to make smaller cams more mobile. i still have an old nikon d50 APS-c, yet to see any "smaller" sensor beating that 8 year old camera in IQ.
after all the wait...and all we get is another slow lens.don't let anyone talk you into how great this system is. I have the whole set. while i dont doubt the colors and general usage is pretty good......its basically a P&S and with no shallow DOF to show, i call it a glorified P&S.I am thankful to Sony for releasing the RX100, without which, many still thinks that the slow lens released by Nikon is due to technical reasons. Its not. FYI, the fast AF turns into a real slow and dodgy AF when the light gets low, but the same light i could focus using my mobile phone.
looks like a very good addition to my reading...
i have the V1 with full set of lens...but frankly i have more fun and excitement using the nokia 808....imho nikon should have used a much larger sensor....
massimogori: Very interesting indeed: thanks DPREVIEW folks for focusing on this important development.
As soon as Mr Franiec releases a dedicated grip and Gariz makes a leather half case for this phone, I will trash my x-pro1.
>< but u cant compare the 808 to the x-pro1....the x-pro1 can change lens and a much bigger sensor....
Here is a model album done completely using Nokia 808 :http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.407827615931483.86458.171375309576716&type=1
Suave: It can give better quality than 5d3, it won't negate the fact that it runs on stillborn OS.
hmm nobody ever mentioned it has better quality than 5d3...where did u pick that out from....
Lan: You're half wrong about the on-screen histogram, it will display when you select exposure compensation. Unfortunately half-pressing the shutter button makes it vanish again...
Interestingly you haven't mentioned either of my two biggest bugbears with it though:
* The inexcusable lack of a lens cover. Holding it in portrait mode pretty much guarantees you'll stick fingerprints all over the lens. I've had to resort to wrapping it in a lens cloth when it's in my pocket...
* The lack of image stabilization. I don't really have a problem when using it at 8MP, but I get a lot of shake problems at 38MP. I want to use the full resolution when I can.
The lens cover thing might not be such an issue if it weren't for the fact that the optional cover ($$$) isn't readily available in the UK. I've had to order mine from Amazon US, and I've been given a ship date of 1-4 months. Similar problems with the tripod mount.
Surely this cameraphone deserves a DPR award though; my issues notwithstanding!
i got my cover by just driving to a store nearby....and i got the tripod mount for free when buying the 808 from the authorized reseller....gee...i got lucky XD
ismith: So much money for an average compact camera with an obsolete phone attached! Similar price to an unlocked iPhone 4s or Galaxy S III, which both do a decent job of taking snapshots... sorry Nokia, the camera concept is good, but the package does not appeal.
i have the htc one x with latest android os..but i am using the 808 as my main phone...well..yes the camera is just superb on the other hand while my htc cries for a recharge after 7 hours of my normal use...my 808 lasted me 2 days without charging...
well done DPR! the decision to publish such a review clearly shows that DPR is paying attention to everything about cameras. The 808 is a clear standout in innovation and Nokia's decision to use large sensors in mobile phones is something that photographers would love to see others doing.
morepix: Good job of a review, but let's hear what the Grinch has to say: There are so many /real/ cameras out there waiting to be reviewed, I regret seeing the valuable time and effort of DPR staff spent on dreck like this. How much of a threat it is may be of interest to the manufacturers of compact cameras. I imagine they're doing their own assessments. Let them.
the effort and innovation done on the 808 deserves this review. Apart from my Leica M9 that i use for model shots, this camera phone is the only one that i happily carries around taking most of my daily routine shots of anything interesting i see.
If "the best camera is the one with you", you just can't beat the idea of a large sensor in a phone.
Its a slap in the face for other small compact cameras that canikon churns out wth puny sensors.
jj74e: Boring....why are camera companies always so complacent? They don't innovate themselves; they just copy when another company comes out with something, and usually that something isn't particularly innovative or well implemented anyway.
There's already too many scene modes thrown up all over the market, so then they starting hurling filters everywhere. Suddenly multi-exposure combinations to reduce noise and increase DR became popular. Then GPS became a must in several models and now Wi-fi will be snaking around all the model refreshes.
Not that these are bad things, but none of them are real innovations that make the actual camera better. A smartphone can already do all these; the compacts are slowly catching up with smartphones- when will a company make a feature that makes the compact worth the pocket space again?
pureview 808 from nokia. now that is innovation. we can shoot the dead horse OS again and again, but we must respect the balls they had for putting the biggest sensor on mobile cam so far and the zoom using resolutuion, now thats smart.
Potemkin_Photo: If Canon doesn't fix themselves soon, they won't have to worry about mirrorless, because the world will be canon-less. Get it? Ha ha!
hey, nokia lives! in my pureview 808.....its a camera company right? i am pretty sure some swore that it used to be a mobile phone company...
NotSteve: If the point of this camera was for Canon to carve out a niche for themselves in the MILC market, this seems like a really milquetoast effort. The adapter appeals to those who own Canon SLR lenses already, but the specifications are quite unremarkable. For enthusiasts, what does this offer that would make you want to put big expensive glass on this? The add-on flash seems peculiar too: additional hassle and expense for a basic function, which undermines it as something that would appeal to the point and shooters.
In terms of the MILCs from the DSLR/SLT makers this looks like the least compelling to me. I don't know the Sony NEXs that well, but here's a stab at a little round-up, now that everyone's got something on the table:
- NEX: small body adaptable to nearly any SLR lens; good sensors- 1 System: very good high speed shooting and ability to shoot hi res stills during video- K-01: focus peaking, good sensor, full K-mount compatibility- Q: great build and feature set, smallest
dont forget..M9 - exceeds all mirrorless IQ and adding lens does not add much size. plenty of old lens available for ages.
" The large sensor also allows you to artistically blur the background for beautiful portraits, or for close-ups with impact."
Nikon, u heard that? now that is what i call an alternative to 4/3, not your Nikon 1 system.
snapshot09: Does Dpreview actually review any cameras anymore or just bases them off other sites????
This review is based on one originally published at the Digital Camera Resource Page, enhanced with a full set of our own product images, our usual studio comparisons and an expanded samples gallery, plus the addition of a standard dpreview score.
1/2.3 sensor...with 18 mp ? sigh...thats like putting an 18inch sports rim on a 1.1 liter car and thinks it will perform better.
in the age where sony rx100 exist along with phone cams with 1/1.2 sensors....i am afraid...this lx7 along with other small sized sensors are just born to die..
seriously 1/2.3 sensor? sure someone brought up pentax Q...but...is that really sellable at all? come on, guys, lets not fool with physics. The days of 1/2.3 sensor compacts being anything serious are gone. even camera phone (808 pureview nokia) have much bigger sensor.
Don Fraser: You know, if you do the 1/1.7" sensor right, it's all you need unless you want to make prints bigger than 11 x 14 and inspect them with your nose to the print.
The 1/1.7" sensor lets you do good stuff with the lens and not have a giant body.
Look at the excellent IQ of the Nikon Coolpix P7100 for that class of cameras, and the range of its lens. I don't want to start another IQ war on this. There are other examples of good use of the 1/1.7" sensor.
Let's stay reasonable with our uses of these cameras.
imho, 1/1.7 or even 1" is crap. forget the prints. the lack of shallow dof turns all images into 2d noise massacre.