Francis Sawyer: I wish Canon would make 35mm and 50mm pancake lenses on par with the 40mm. The 6D with a pancake wouldn't be too big.
The 40mm is half-assed: It's not a normal lens OR a wide-angle lens on either APS or full-frame.
get a 35mm f2 then; its prettty small. But I'd go for a pancake instead these days. Just take one step backwards.
Homam: can't believe there is so much negativity about this Canon already. It seems you have all forgotten how the old 5d mii revolutionized the market with an only 9-point AF system and until the introduction of nikon d800 according to dpreview it stood as the highest image quality dslr in the market.
What many amateurs seem to ignore is that huge differences exist between a camera's specs on paper and how it handles in real life. When d800 and 5dmiii were out in the market, i shot both for around a month and i had many more keepers from my 5dmiii in terms of color rendition, contrast, and focus accuracy. I found miii much more fun to shoot with and much more photographer friendly. d800's menu is way to complicated to handle.
I suppose a multi-billion dollar company like Canon knows what it's doing. Let's wait till 6d is in the market then we can actually compare the cameras better.
agreed. Its a decent looking camera I just can't believe Canon still has no full frame option with a built in flash. This smaller lighter variant would have been fine then. Otherwise I don't get why anyone would chose this over a used 5D2 or a Nikon d600. It may be smaller and lighter but as soon as you bring a flash along, it becomes unwieldy and unsightly. My strobes stay at home most of the time for that reason.
Bill Bentley: This kit along with one of those tent pole, compact style, tripods in a small bag under the front seat or in the trunk would make for a decent travel solution. I'd buy this if I could afford the carrying costs of owning an iPhone5. Alas, I'll have to make due with my Samsung WB150F for now as a compact travel camera.
afaik you can still buy phones used on ebay for a few hundred. Pick up a no attachment contract or payg sim and you're there for much less.
Higuel: UAU! a camera that is LESS in almost every important thing then ALL the others!And yes, ALL photographers were dying for wi-fi instead of a flash (that controls others!) or some 11 CROSS AF points!!!Maybe in next model they will put an MP3 player and loose ISO manual control!!! X(
Canon user since my first lens in98. But they sure are making an effort to se me changing for nikon! ):(
Me too, I like the wifi actually, but the lck of a flash means I have no reason to change from my 5D. I'd like video but I don't need it. I NEED a popup flash every now and then, don't want to carry speedlites.
ealvarez: Not a "strobist" friendly camera with 1/200th flash sync speed. I thought this is THE one for me. Why are you doing this to me, Nikon???
I am grateful to David Hobby of strobist site. The website he created taught me flash photography. I'm not a professional but we love taking studio type photos at home with small flashes, and a couple of umbrellas. I have a 5D with IIRC a 1/200th sec flash sync. It's fine for portraits.
I can't imagine many users seriously need a higher sync speed or needing to stop action with flash shots. Yes, if they're enthusiasts. No, if they're just taking photos of family / friends. I would personally love the 24MP for big prints, over the 12MP D700. Of course if it had 1/500th sync then great, but it doesn't. Just work around your gear, rather than thinking you need everything that a flash professional needs would be my 2 cents.
jennajenna: a canon 5d2 and 24-105L lens for Less price then this.
are you all nuts?
Hmmm. I personally still prefer my 5dc with 35mm f2 to rangefinder style if it has poor battery and an add on viewfinder anyway. Unless I hear otherwise, it has superior battery life to this size camera class.
But the 24-105L is not a substitute because it is simply too large to be comfortable all the time for most people. Even the 5D with a pancake lens is a bit of a brute, and I'd definitely consider swapping it for a Fuji x100 style camera as soon as the battery life and focus are comparable.
it's beautiful. If only they could have removed the lettering on the front, and limited the camera to a single logo.
Having said that, it's a big step in the right direction towards having mid-price cameras that look and feel like they're related to art creation and enjoyment as opposed to advertising.
Goodmeme: relatively inefficient my ass. why don't dpreview review sanyo eneloops?! :)
i agree but its really not an excuse. I imagine most dpreview readers (or people generally) are willing to buy some rechargeable aa's to use in such a camera.
At the moment I think people just don't know about the advantages of low self-discharge eneloops and their ilk because they are so new.
I would love sites like dpreview to get the word out and then mfrs will start making devices that will have battery support for a lifetime (ie through aa).
relatively inefficient my ass. why don't dpreview review sanyo eneloops?! :)
transfer to android wifi or bluetooth is my must have feature, in my next slr / serious camera.
I'm sure its great in this compact too, and I'd recommend this camera if only for this feature. But what I really want is my 5D to be able to do this, or more specifically for me to be able to download at top speeds into my computer just be turning on the camera somewhere else in the house. All the wifi settings must be stored.
And another thing Canon if you're reading this. I don't want just 802.11g or even n. Make it 802.11g, n and ac compatible. i.e. future proof it to 1Gb speeds. Then standardise to the entire product line, and you have a feature people will use and love, much better than the direct print button :)
SergeyMS: I see on Nicon and Cannon mirrorless cameras, and understand, that these companies are not competitive in this segment of market
oops I mean year approx 1800 not 100!
Actually I think its you who has something to learn (!) about the fallibility of companies, about the huge potential for large company employees to ignore new trends and continue doing what they are doing regardless, and about the number of currently large companies who - if history of economics and business teaches us anything - will screw up within the next hundred years.
Canon and Nikon's future success is likely but not guaranteed and they are not immune to shortsightedness and a focus too much on reducing costs versus increasing revenue from growing markets.
I wanted to include a reference to a piece of recent research about the 100 top companies from around the year 100. Only a dozen or so remain. I'm sorry I couldn't find the reference after a few minutes, I don't ask you to take my word for it, so look instead at research on , for example, corporate governance.
I use Picasa (free). There's a third party plugin for Lightroom so I can export my photos to privately held urls, and share links with friends easily.
As for accessing my own photos from the cloud, I've decided to simply set up my own ftp site using filezilla (free), which after setting up a few shares, means I can now watch my recorded tv, listen to my music and even stream my (personally ripped and privately owned dvd, see anydvd (commercial) and handbrake (free)) movie collection from any laptop, desktop, tablet or android phone (see es file explorer for a free ftp client combine with mx player to stream media, also free).
Cloud? Who needs it?!
Doug Brown: I was supposed to shoot Ziggy Marley last night but backed out after being presented with a similiar contract to sign.
There is no sadder group of businesss execs on this planet than the misfits that run the music biz. They're like the 'cool kids' in High School who never grew up.
All the indicators in their business are down; album sales revenue, concert revenue, concert attendance, employment in the industry. Yet they are going to keep riding that old school arrogance right into the ground.
Having your name, your brand, in the forefront of public consciousness is like oxygen in the entertainment industry. Photographers serve this purpose at every city on the tour. P*ssing them off with lazy old school thinking is counter-productive to such an obvious degree that you have to wonder if these people have any qualifications at all.
As usual, it's the artists who will suffer the consequences.
The interesting thing is that a few years ago - and maybe now I'm not sure - concert sales were increasing. People it seems don't mind paying to be entertained live.
Sensible musicians should be reducing album prices and working on getting as much publicity as possible so as to increase concert sales.
Hugo808: Why is everyone so excited about this? Its only stand out feature is that it's thin. Big deal, how is that going to affect the handling of a big camera like any EOS? The concept might make sense on a mirrorless as it will slide into a pocket, here it's just a gimmick.
Actually I don't think its a gimmick. The smaller the lens, the more comfortable people feel when they're being photographed, at least in my experience. This translates into nice natural smiles.
As for size it's also helpful when you absolutely don't want to look conspicuous carrying around a large camera, or when you have children and not much room in the rucksack.
My two lenses are the 24-70L and the 35mm f2, both on a 5D. The 24-70 never leaves the house because its just too big for my non-studio shots.
I would love to swap my 35 for this pancake. I'm just a bit concerned that the price is ridiculous in the UK.
iso 3200 looks great!
just put this in an android phone pls someone. I'm looking at you Samsung. Give us the S3 Galaxy with a larger sensor pls!
Paniko: O.T.:the woman many of you define as "Queen" in reality is Mrs. Maria Montessori a woman that the NYT said in 1913 "“The most interesting woman in Europe”.And probably she changed our life long time ago.
p.s. Nice camera :)
I read about Montessori on wikipedia. Interesting. But I have no idea why you posted this here, or why she is connected in your head to the concept of 'queen'?
SimenO1: Nice camera line up - crap lens line up. Whats the point of having slim cameras and 24 Mp if the whole package delivers either crap sharpness? I hope the 2013 snap pancake can deliver the sharpness the other pancake can't. That would make one interessting lens for me. Though, whats the point of having a system camera if only one lens sits on there?
Talking of Sigma etc, I'd love to see Pentax offer some pancake lenses for other mounts.
Nknshooter23: Maybe this is a stupid question but there is still little out there to compare the D700 in low light vs the D800. What I'm wondering is if it is possible to reduce the resolution of the D800 to 12.1 (one third which happens to be the same res of the D700) and group the pixels together to produce 3x the light sensitivity? I know there are Dx & other crop modes which just use the center of the sensor but I want to know if it is possible to increase the light sensitivity and use the whole sensor? Basically run it at "low" res at night and full res when light is not an issue.
afaik that is practically the effect higher res has on noise. That is, at the same print sizes, noise is not worse on higher res cams, sensor tech being equal.It only looks worse at 100% view, and it doesn't get so magnified as that in print, at least not at normal viewing distances. I bet the d800 high iso print will look sames as d4 most times.