Dafffid: The 24-70 we expected, and no surprises, I'm sure it will be lovely. But I've been waiting for a really good 28mm for years: a 28L would have been nice (although unlikely), a 28mm f1.4 would do, or even just an improved 28mm f1.8, one as relatively good as the 85mm f1.8... but no.
I started to agree with DPreview, who are those two primes for? I use my primes for photographing moving people in low light with as shallow DOF as possible, IS is of no use to me whatsoever. But then I read the other comments - of course, video, makes sense now. Still a bummer for an old stills man, but there we go, can't have everything you want in life!
They're also good for the hiker / landscape phtgr without a tripod. Plus C. has to respond to other small options with IS like micro four thirds kits.
I'm slightly disappointed there's no 35mm equiv at launch given the clear success of the X100.
Without a 35mm I'm less interested, and why get the X100 now when we know they'll bring out a 35 equiv in a year or two? I suppose the 18mm would be okay as a stop gap.
I can't believe there's still no ETTL flash control in full manual. The only times I ever use manual with an SLR is when the flash is on ETTL.
I use the camera like this more than 50% of the time for portraits. i.e. set 1/100th to avoid subject motion blur. Set aperture to usually f8 or f11 if there's a group shot or perhaps wider if you think you can pull off the focus successfully. Make sure the iso (usually 200 or 400) means ambient expsoure would be -1 or lower. And like a god, the flash head with take care of the exposure for you. Just plug in +1 if you're bouncing off a ceiling or (prefereably) a corner wall diagonally behind and above you. OF course you always have the option to drag the shutter if subject movement is not an issue and / or using 2nd curtain.
With the G series, well... you'd better just leave it on P or A and 1/60th sec. Such behaviour was ok (although annoying) in the G9 etc because the smaller sensors mean large dof anyway, all the time. G1x = fail imo.
Lampost48: I currently have a Canon G9 which I have used for the past number of years and its been a great workhorse and now considering to upgrade to either a full DLSR or DLSR hybrid like the G1 X. I am a hobby photographer, and I have had the many 35mm cameras plus the associated kit of lenses, filters, flash and lugged them around the world. The G9 is NOT a specialist camera, and was never to designed to be, having said that it does it have extremely good optics, a good sensor and some zoom capabilities, what the G1 X will do is shift the boundary so now it does overlap creating a "grey area" between using a DLSR for "general photography" and a camera that will do exactly the same thing without the associated baggage . I looked seriously at the G12 but in reality, it was a G9 with some improvements. I have taken some magnificent shots. a heap of mediocre and some that I could have done better with a "Kodak Brownie Box camera", but its the photographer, not the camera.
I think you would like using a larger sensor camera. I use a 5d (full frame) and a G9 for snapshots.
While the G9 is okay quality wise - and you can certainly take great photos with an okay camera - the sensor lets it down in situations of high dynamic range. Frequently outside shots with my G9 have harsh highlights, and a course quality not present in larger CMOS sensors. My other big issue with the G9 and similar is user experience. If you try a 1 series camera e.g. at a shop - you'll know what I mean. Beautiful, big viewfinder fills your vision. Shutter button utterly responsive and feels great (not springy and loose like G9). These latter issues are what have pushed me towards leaving the G9 at home more and more and purchasing a small prime (35mm f2) for use as walkabout with the 5D. The X100 from Fuji seems to address these points but with the loss of a massive battery and a hefty price tag. Still the Fuji range to me is interesting.
Do you use the whole of the G9 zoom?
Goodmeme: How about an interchangeable lens/ sensor Android phone?
I mean, I don't expect the latest HTC / Samsung Android to have an amazing lens.
But I am prepared to have a bigger lens than most in my pocket. I would pay £200 or more to have a sensor / lens that equates to 35mm f2.8 that sticks out about 1cm from the phone. My extended battery (Galaxy S) does that anyway lower down so it could work. Especially if the module could be popped in the next upgrade.
How about an interchangeable lens/ sensor Android phone?
Beauiful. With the balloons! It's steampunk-tastic.
increments: re: the RAW vs. JPEG comparisons.
I'm presuming the JPEGs were all OOC. If I'm right about that I suspect there's a lot more detail to be got from them.
Also I'm pretty sure that the colour cast in the example shown could be removed.
While there are inherent limiting factors to processing JPEGs, you can vastly improve on a camera's OOC images. RAWs will be slightly better, but usually the differences are only apparent at quite large sizes (IMHO).
If you only view your images at a typical screen size, or upload to facebook etc. JPEGs are probably sufficient.
Of course the argument exists that if you're prepared to PP you might as well shoot RAW, but it's not mandatory and a lot of people do PP their JPEGs.
I'd love to agree with you. The big fly in the ointment is white balance. Correcting white balance and colour generally is not acceptable with jpeg imo, even for snapshots. I really tried to change my raw workflow to jpeg, but gave up after a day for this reason.
I would love all cameras to use an external wb sensor like E1 and older 1 series cams - or perhaps they could shift AWB more radically when they detect orange in the picture. All I know is my 5D/G9 can't cut it on AWB, and in the heat of the moment, I often forget to change e.g. to incandescent.
@ photo nuts. I agree. It's lovely. I keep wondering whether it has something to do with the closer eye being slightly out of focus - technically usually not ideal - yet still being relatively discernible, and it throws your attention to the other eye and vice versa, and so on indefinitely. It's a real trance - inducing shot!
Plus the look reminds me of my own little nipper :)
Bob Meyer: Anyone who thinks Westfall, or any other Canon official, is going to provide any real information about their future plans doesn't understand Canon, or the camera industry. What do you expect?
@sdyue, 12MP is not high res? Really? My 5d classic is fairly high res in my opinion. Enough for life size portraits on the wall at quite close viewing distances. I can see what you mean about keeping up with market needs, but I wonder whether most people would spot the differences between 12 and 18 or 24MP without pixel peeping?
Knallberto: price in Europe (incl. 20% VAT)
*W3 169€* - 1.220.000 glassless 3D display, 2x 1280x720 video, 2x 10 mp photos
*3D1 499€* - 460.000 non-3D display, 2x 960x1080 video, 2x 8mp photos
Thank you, Pana .... € 499 saved!
if you have two parts of a 3d image, you can save them in the same format as fuji. There's a freeware 3d photo program.
Mtsuoka: I guess Panasonic develop this camera because of the pressure from their 3D TV dept.
...and market demand for 3D!
The Fuji 3d cam is in such short supply it has not made it into UK retail yet afaik.
Cool. I wanted the Fuji one but didn't want to buy without seeing it in action as it was fairly pricey and I've never used a 3d screen before.
I suspect it will take me a few years to replace the TV/monitor with a 3D one but it's nice to know you can shoot 3D without a 3d screen on the camera (for hopefully lower cost & price) or all the gubbins of a 2 camera setup.
jeffharris: User's expectations of exactly what should be included in a small interchangeable lens camera have changed in the time since the GF1 was released.
Sony has led the way with the NEX Series cameras with hi-res, MOVABLE LCD of the NEX-5N and with the NEX-7's additional low-profile body with a hi-res (2.4MP) built-in EVF.
Panasonic (as did Olympus earlier) falls short again, with yet another dated Point & Shoot style body with it's 3 year old tech with fixed LCD, an awkward add-on EVF at a premium price.
Sorry Panasonic, but for a second body to backup my GH2, the NEX-5N is way ahead or I'll take the cheap route with a GF3.
Agree. Although I doubt te quality is an issue for 'actual' photography. What matters to me is they still don't have a small 24mm prime (35mm equivalent). If they did, that would be better than the 20mm PAnasonic pancake for being 35m equiv not 40mm.
Remko Westrik: Another interesting M4/3rds camera. Before I also wanted this type of body to include the EVF. Now I'm not so sure, since there are other options.
When looking at the NEX-7, the EVF sticks-out significantly. Size wise I then see the G3 as a viable competitor. With the more compact lenses of the M4/3 (the pancakes and the foldable zooms) the G3 should be comparable to smaller then the NEX.
I also think that an external EVF is no shame either. Allows you to take a smaller package when you want to. (I do that with my Ricoh GX and GXR). This price tag however is a bit hefty on the external EVF's.
Choices, choices.... All in all I see the M4/3rds platform making nice progress (good variety in lenses and bodies)..
Actually the Sony NEX 7 evf does not stick out. The evf eyecup is removeable I think.
increments: Shame it's not available with the 20mm pancake.
That is unbelievable! Good point. I can't believe Sony still doesn't have a 35-40mm equivalent pancake of their own either. I mean what's th point of thee small cameras without a small prime lens?
My 5D and 35mm f2 are not much bigger, and are v. nice to use, with massive battery life to boot!!! I don't know what these small camera mfrs are thinking with their massive zooms. If ever there was a candidate for digital zoom - used with a prime - it's the Sny NEX7 with ts many MP.
When will Canon make a 1 series with a smaller body? Don't get me wrong, they could include the grip as standard or option, but many people would like a choice.
There should be one 1dx with grip built-in for those who want it, and another which can be more discrete and family friendly.
I love the af in the 1 series. But is it too much to ask for decades-old technology to be put in new smaller bodies like D700 size, and give us the 'Eos 3' equivalent many want.
justmeMN: Will there, or won't there, be a replacement for the G12? (i.e., is the G-Series over/dead.) Inquiring minds want to know. :-)
Canon can also feel free to tell us something, anything, about the "competes with mirrorless" camera that they said they are going to ship in 2012. (They won't say if it is mirrorless, or some kind of mini-DSLR.)
Also, they need to cater for high-end user not just low-level. I would love my 5d in a slightly smaller, lighter version. Some people may want a big viewfinder and nice-controls experience yet do not need to balance the 100-400L or other large zooms all the time.
A mini DSLR would be perfect in my opinion, so long as they make an extra effort to enlarge the viewfinder.
Sdaniella: i do a lot of shooting in the dark outdoors... and i don't care what the camera looks like aesthetically, but care how and where controls are placed ergonomically so i can do what i want in the dark rapidly with minimal finger movement... and Canon dSLRs have got the controls where it counts especially for all exposure adjustments done menuless... much like the efficiency of 'touch typing' is to the keyboard typist.The G series is not over at all, it has always the flagship role on the prosumer end that isn't a dSLR where no other model is suitable (having best of all features in a compact). Hope the G12 successor (G13/14/Pro1MkII) 'whatever' it is will satisfy those who want a non-dSLR 24/7 type of carry everywhere back-up.Would love to see a 15mmx11mm (double dimensions: quadrupled area) sensor fit into the G series, and have it go mini-'Prime-Lens' centric (instead of super-zoom like the SX series)... i wish for a fast 24mm equivalent prime or wide short zoom at worst.
I would be happy with a 35mm equivalent prime; 24mm and 28mm are too wide for me to be general purpose camera, and 50mm is too narrow. 35 is bob on, a la Fuji x100 but cheaper.
Still, I'd much rather they just put a APS-C sensor in it.