falconeyes: He says, between high end compacts, mirrorless and entry dSLRs, the race is open.
I share this opinion although not expressed very often.
It may be that high end compacts eventually take over the current mirrorless and entry dSLR markets. Leaving high end SLR and system cameras with full frame and larger sensors for the interchangeable lens market.
Already now, the A7 seems to drive the system camera segment rather than the small mirrorless ones it all started with.
Interesting comment. What is the difference between mirrorless, DLSR and high end compact? I suspect for most people who will only ever use just one lens, that there is very little difference besides size and ease of use in individual cameras. I never like the sound of internal competition described in the interview. It just doesn't sound like joined-up thinking, nor does it sound like a safe position from which to innovate from the point of view of staff.
JohnEwing: The sample pics show perfectly why you're better off without.
not to mention the catchlights in the eyes tell a two lights - with at least one off axis - story. :)
Jim DT: I see two schools of thought here about the eventual role of mirrorless. Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji, Samsung and parts of Sony seem to believe that once EVF's and improved focusing technologies hit their stride, SLR's, with their extra mechanical pieces and big fat pentaprisms will become obsolete.
Canon and Nikon seem to believe that mirrorless is OK for people upgrading from digicams, but that for "real" photography, you need a DSLR.
I believe that current high-end DSLRs, with many years of development and experience behind them are truly superb picture-taking machines and probably the best choice for the most demanding users. However, the "serious" mirrorless camp is catching up quickly. And, with Moore's law on their side, they will continue to improve. Canon and Nikon could well find themselves champions of a disrupted technology!
It comes down to what you want to shoot with, doesn't it? Personally if I'm going to be looking at the world I'd rather do it directly than look through a lens, mirror,window, screen etc.
But failing a one-eye Google Glass or internal, bionic eye camera attachment approach, I'd rather use a pretty little slr or rangefinder than a digital screen. There would have to be a really compelling reason why glass and mirrors were all of a sudden become inferior.
Shmuel Goldberg: It must be clear that there is absolutely nothing in physics of a DSLR that makes it better than a mirrorless camera. Weight and size of DSLRs is not an advantage, it is a result of outdated technology. An idea that was excellent 75 years ago makes no sense today.
Are the frames per second the issue, I would have thought the lag before the frames are shown to the eye was key?
Let's say you are showing an evf with 50 or 60 frames per second, but with a 32 millisecond lag. The issue would be the 32 milliseconds wouldn't it?
Even if the electronics can manage a miniscule few milliseconds, wouldn't light perhaps be faster?
On a separate but related note, how do evfs manage in bright sunshine these days? I haven't used a top tier evf for a few years.
Goodmeme: Canon's camera business has tried to change market and product at the same time with its launch into Hollywood, video and the C system.
I can't help thinking that whoever is driving that fairly extreme strategy has in part caused what we might perceive as Canon's disinterest or lack of resources towards its cash cow photography market.
With mirrorless, phones and other technologies changing expectations, perhaps Canon could have done with at least one foot on the ground in order better to roll with the movement. Perhaps it's hard to change direction when you're mid-leap... I'll be interested to see how the division does generally.
Interesting comment, thanks!
I will - mainly for my own intellectual vanity if I'm honest - remind us that financial results always look backwards. They have been termed 'lag' measurements, because of this; 'lead' measurements would instead be things like customer satisfaction or even comments or reviews on competitor offerings, and might give one a much earlier indication as to current and future sales. But try telling that to a finance controller. :)
So to sum up my arguably random comment, all we can say for certain, (ignoring conventional talk referring to most recent results) is "they made more money..." not "they make more money..." It is just semantics, but it might be helpful in some situations to see things like this.
You make a good point. At the same time, last time I checked, light was the fastest thing going; ergo mirror will always be faster than the slight delay through the viewfinder you get with evf etc.
Whether evf is fast enough, or dynamic enough for different uses is the main consideration, but I do contend that the mirror in an slr will tend to have a 'physics' based advantage, i.e. speed of light.
Canon's camera business has tried to change market and product at the same time with its launch into Hollywood, video and the C system.
Goodmeme: Looks good. Now how about a budget 5d classic rehash with a pop-up flash inc commander? i.e. something like the years old d700? No, I don't care if it has a massive prism top or reduced weather resistance.
It bewilders me that the Fuji x100 has a great fill in flash whereas my 5D is useless in some situations unless I carry an additional flash. Given the size difference I would rather like the built in flash of a 5D to bounce too. But a simple pop-up would make it worth keeping the system for home studio as well as family use.
There is more competition for Canon these days from mirrorless. Hopefully some time soon, their best features inc 45 point autofocus will land in consumer price zones with a slight premium for digital sensor) over the old 1v series or eos 3 prices. If they keep the high prices up, the company may be irrelevant in 10 years.
Or just a retro Canon mirrorless would be nice? Why on earth have they not just copied the x100 already, i.e. retro looks with a nice optical viewfinder and manual controls?Design philosophy ought to be driven by demand not staff, however skilled. Right now there's a growing number of people who want pretty cameras that look like typical cameras. In my opinion shooting with such makes subjects relax; they are more familiar with the object in front of them. Come on Canon, get with the program already.
By the way, the sample images on Canon's website are amazing, especially the hippo with the well resolved water bubbles and skin. I've never seen a hippo so close before. While my server is not ready for raw files this big all the time, it's still a great option to have in the Canon system. I would love to have one for safari.
Edit: is that an insect above the hippo? Does anyone know what it is?
Looks good. Now how about a budget 5d classic rehash with a pop-up flash inc commander? i.e. something like the years old d700? No, I don't care if it has a massive prism top or reduced weather resistance.
zeyno44: 2 x AAA Batteries? How many shots can you actually get? It would've been perfect if it had built-in rechargeable battery - in my opinion.
It would be nice to charge it with a micro usb slot. I don't like buying things without AA / AAA, but it would be very convenient if they could squeeze in the components required, esp as Metz already have USB.
Micro USB is fast becoming the go to charger in my house at least - phones, tablets etc. There's one in every room. AA/AAA chargers however are bulky and don't stay in the sockets.
Where's the 4k support?! If Canon is expecting this to be a dedicated images and home video box for the AV setup, then it should at least be as good as a HTPC. It obviously will be simpler which is good, but I feel 4k should be mandatory for a new device that won't be binned in 2-5 years.
Does anybody know if the NFC support on the new camera models is open to non-proprietary developers? I'm thinking NFC would be nice if it worked with Lightroom imports, especially to dual locations, as per standard Lightroom options.
I can't be the only one who thinks this looks great in walnut.
Am I more likely to buy an x100 or just use my big old 5D? Yes. But would I like to be the guy who doesn't know how to use them, and just uses really expensive point and shoots, with wood trim?
Clever...associate your brand with dull surprises. Which marketing genius cooked this one up?
Roland Karlsson: Poor monsters and evil children, liking to kill and frighten the sorry creatures.
I give this a 2 on a scale of 1-10. That it gets a 2 and not a 1 is because it was a rather unexpected series of photos.
The kids are not realistic.
The nightmare monsters are not nightmarish, rather funny.
So you want scarier monsters, and children who look more 'realistic' fighting them in their bedrooms? Sheesh, just watch Harry Potter or LOTR or something.
Or perhaps look up 'catharsis' and begin to understand the fun and psychology behind this cute series.
beavertown: That kills the Canon with great humiliation.
Without Sony's sensor, Nikon will die straight away.
In the absence of peanut butter, Nikon can buy some jam. I really don't understand why you wish to engage in fantasy situations wherein companies cannot outsource to more efficient providers.
The essence of modern economic trade theory is specialisation, that is, we benefit when we don't all try to be farmers, printers, carpenters and textiles companies on our own. Sure, it would be more fun, and perhaps make you feel more independent, but it almost certainly would prevent your (or different society's) attainment of expertise and efficiencies.
Yes, Sony can charge more for its sensors if they're very good relative to the competition, but Nikon does still retain know-how in sensors not to mention ergonomics and extant customer and equipment bases. In the case of game theory type 'defection' on Sony's part e.g. hiking prices or withdrawing services, both Nikon and Sony would likely suffer long term, but neither their brands nor particular specialities are likely to suddenly 'die'.
munro harrap: There should come a point at which there is no vignetting. A lens designed to cover the sensor properly would have no vignetting even wide open. As they charge now so much money, perhaps we could get them to design for full-frame. I do not care if it is bigger and heavier, but I do care if it always vignettes. DX review shows it still vignettes a third of a stop at f11. I have zooms that are better than this.
If you use primes quality is now the sole criterion> I want primes that ALWAYS cover the sensor> I want zooms that do as well- remember the 70-200f2.8G VRI?
Fair enough. But software fixes most vignetting, and I personally care more about size, weight and other image quality characteristics like colour and contrast.
Roland Karlsson: What a disappointment. Make a very nice camera with a very good lens and put an aged sensor in it with yesterdays performance. I was planning to buy it. But ... now I buy something else. Thank you DPR for this review!
The problem is only - what?
I have looked at A6000, GM1, GX7, RX100 and P5.
I'd go Fuji x100 or x100s personally. I don't have one yet - still use an old heavy 5d and 35mm prime or my phone. But apart from battery life (which is always an issue with small cams , especially that can't use AA eneloops or equivalent as tech improves), I can't think of any downsides for casual photography.
Big pros include viewfinder and lens, as well as nice touchy-feely manual controls. Plus one should never underestimate the difference a beautiful retro camera will make to portrait subject's comfort and thus smiles. :)
dr8: I didn't get past the word "re-imagine". I also don't read articles or see movies that are labeled "must - ___ ".
Good for you. Now think something helpful.
michael19843: Why did they not make this camera with a zoom lens? Pure mental concept to have two adapters. Just stick a zoom lens on it Fuji.
Zooms are not as good optically, do people not seek to learn before pontificating?
bstolk: Given enough megapixels, wouldn't cropping an image in software have the same effect as using a longer lens?Yes, you lose some resolution, but that is not a big deal if you shoot your images for the web and such?
that's correct. Although your exposure may be slightly less accurate, it's the same thing. Bear in mind with the adapter though that you can post-crop the resulting 50mm in the same way, with same number of pixels.