Gaffman: The fact that this camera can mount an electronic viewfinder sounds great until you learn its the same near $400+ unit that goes with the RX1.
I still see the hot shoe benefits for flash shooters and video users but this viewfinder thing is a joke.
I agree that the Sony EVF for this seems expensive. It would've been better if Sony had multiple options that are reasonably priced, like Olympus. Olympus has 3 starting from $150 and the new VF-4 with 2.36M dots is only $280, only $80 more than the VF-2.
Marvol: "we'll look at how well it performs just as soon as we can"
Why are you already committing to review a fairly specialised lens of a rather unimpressive mirrorless system? Surely you can do better things with your time?
For comparison I noticed that, unless I am missing something (I searched this site), you haven't reviewed the EOS M itself. I can only find a preview from July 2012. So you're willing to review this lens (not the kit lens, not the prime) on a camera you haven't reviewed in nearly a year? Srsly?
@Henry M. Hertz: so you would rather get the EOS-M than say an E-PL5, which has better IQ, more features (IBIS, tilting screen, optional EVF, etc.) for the same money? Then there's the m43 lens line up, which has lenses performing better than many EF/EF-S lens mounted on cropped Canon.
Marc Lorenz: Why so slow? Canon's 22mm pancake is f2.
Too bad the Canon 22/2 can only be mounted on an EOS-M, lol. Kidding aside, I'd like to see reasonably priced pancake with f/2 or faster from Fuji.
yabokkie: I use EF40/2.8 as "lens cap" that almost as good as some f/2.8 zooms. if this lens delivers as good resolution it could be a good lens cap for XF cameras.
since f/2.8 on APS-C is about 1.3 stops darker than f/2.8 on 35mm full-frame, the price should also be about 1.3 stops lower, or at least at half price of EF40/2.8.
@yabokkie: the f-number is light intensity, it doesn't get brighter or darker on larger or smaller format - think PSI (pressure)! So take a picture on FF with the 40/2.8, then crop the file so it's 2/3 the size. That basically what happens when you mount the same lens on a Rebel and take the same photo with the same settings (albeit with different resulting IQ).
radissimo: Seems that price/value is BETTER than Olympus E-p5 ,but NOT Sony NEX-5R...Competition is good...
@Raist3d - the PanyLeica 25/1.4 and Oly 60mm macro are cheaper than the Fuji alternatives: 35/1.4 and 60mm macro. Also, other m43 lenses like the Pany 20/1.7 and Oly 45/1.8 are very good and affordable.
BJL: A better solution would be normal cameras controls plus WiFi or bluetooth connection to the phone that most NX camera users will be carrying anyway.
This instead seems like a toaster-fridge: a camera with the size and bulk of a DSLR, but with all the DLR controls replaced by a phone's touch so that the controls that you most often want to adjust while using the EVF cannot be, because they rely on looking at the touch screen.
Agree... the EVF will be awkward to use since there are essentially no physical controls.
Also, a full Android OS is overkill and will just wast the battery.
SemperAugustus: My first thought when I held this camera in my hand was "here is the mirrorless killer" ... anybody who appreciates the capabilities of a dSLR but wants a small, light package, this is it!... here is a photo taken handhled with this SL1 http://fineartamerica.com/featured/not-a-semper-agustus-levin-rodriguez.html
Except that it isn't as small as pretty much any mirrorless w/ an EVF (EVIL). Here's how it compares to mirrorless from Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus and Sony, all with a standard zoom lens: http://j.mp/19iNmDg
Also, those mirrorless (like the E-M5) have more physical dials/buttons and 3 of those mirrorless have articulated screen while having a smaller body. All, except for the G6, have better IQ than the Canon as well.
As Canon user who has switched to m43, this won't make me go back and is far from being a "mirrorless killer". For me, the only Canon I would consider is a fullframe, like the 6D, but the size, weight and mainly the price deter me.
bluevellet: Is this... the highest rating for an entry-level, mirrorless camera at DPR? It looks like it.
What makes this camera slightly better than, say, the NEXF3 (closest rival reviewed at DPR)?
4) IBIS5) hotshoe6) EVF option
Mescalamba: - Slow AF in live view and video modes (compared to mirrorless APS-C cameras)
Suprising really. And as its supposedly big enough problem, are you aware of any dSLR that has fast AF in LV or video mode? I would be suprised if you know about one.
I have nothing agaisnt if you mention somewhere that it doesnt have fast AF in LV or video mode. For those who have no idea how AF works or they were under rock when mirrorless came. But it shouldnt be con for simple reason. LIVE VIEW CANT BE FAST WITH DSLR!
Unless you for that purpose put AF sensors directly on sensor (ala NEX-6 and others). Which Nikon didnt. Neither Canon, or Pentax. And I doubt they will.
I commonly see friends, family and other people who just got a DSLR or rarely shoot one use it like a P&S and get annoyed because of the slow LV. For the D5200, the problem is more of an issue as the articulated screen is a major selling point over other Nikon models. Anyway, both Nikon and Canon are behind in this regard. What's funny is that a T5i, even with its on sensor PDAF and STM lens, is still slower in LV than Olympus/Panasonic with purely CDAF. Nikon and Canon need to work on their CDAF implementation since its not just the case of PDAF only lenses.
ChrisKramer1: It looks nice and no doubt it will be extremely fast but ultimately, will it give me better picture quality than my Sony NEX5n? It's going to be a tall order because even though the Sony is fiddly, ugly and terribly laggy, it always gives me results that make my jaw hit the floor. After over a year of using it (and cursing it) I still can't get over how good the NEX5n's picture quality is. And it's half the price!
Well, the E-PM2 is half the price and has similar IQ to the E-P5, so look at that instead of this if IQ is your main concern. But neither have better IQ than the 5N. However, the E-P5 can help you get better "results" and make photography more fun: - IBIS and fast AF for less blurry shots- 1/8000 for larger aperture shots in sunny days- the built-in flash with support for wireless control of external flash w/ TTL- more physical dials and buttons for faster controls- access to large lens lineup- wifi
That said, there are many options in this price range, including the NEX-6 and E-M5.
Timmbits: f1.2 is impressive... until you consider it's for a small sensor nikon1 system. then the actual aperture becomes a f3.2 equivalent. this is the sort of lens that could do lots for MFT. but the 1 system starts off so handicapped, one wonders what's the point, since it's target market is amateur enthusiasts getting their first IL system.
Not trying to be pedantic or anything but the "actual aperture" doesn't change; it's the DoF.
For the price, you can get an E-PL5 kit + 45/1.8 with enough money left over for a nice SD card. Might be a better compact mirrorless set for portraits.
Sirandar: Looks like a great camera ... love my EPL2.
I don't think that it is such a problem not having a EVF. The problem is that the add on EVF costs as much as a decent camera ..... it is gouging.
With the EPL2 I sometimes miss the EVF but not enough to buy at that price.
Actually, the price of the VF-4 is reasonable at $279 (on Amazon). Compare that to the price of Sony FDA-EV1S, which is $349; that's gouging. The Olympus is cheaper but has the same resolution and higher magnification. That said, I do wish the VF-4 was included with the E-P5 for $1000, or the E-P5 body only at $800.
Michael Jardine: I have a D800 and D7000 with 16-35, 50, 85, 70-200 and 300 lenses. I have used it for magazine photography and even some night sports. But I find that the M43 system is perfect for travel. At first I brought both camera systems along, but in the end I have dropped the DSLR in favor of M43.
I have also used it for my most recent magazine work (portraits), so I'm not the only one happy with the results. I just shoot with two simple and relatively inexpensive primes: 20 and 45.
Sony was an option but poor lens selection and the lenses you can get are much bigger. The entire reason for switching over to M43 was to have a camera that is, quite literally,pocketable. The Olympus E-PL5 with 20mm, is just that. I imagine the E-P5 will also be pocketable, with the added advantage of the two spin dials that most DSLR users are used to.
@yabokkie:DPR finds the 20/1.7 to have "Impressive image quality at all apertures": http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/panasonic_20_1p7_o20/4
The lens is good and even almost 4 years later, there's not much option for bright (at least F/1.8), compact and affordable primes with similar FoV (35-40mm) on DSLR and mirrorless formats.
Cane: One would think Canon would just buy out Magic lantern, or their engineers, and put this stuff into their camera's to begin with? I know, crazy thought to make a product to max out it's abilities, when someone else can just take your product and make it better for you. That doesn't make you look foolish, does it?
Canon has at least 2 reasons:1. It doesn't cost Canon to have Magic Lantern right now2. Canon has it's more expensive video cameras to protect
That said, I do wish these advanced features are supported by the default firmware if the hardware is capable of doing it.
DavinaG: I love Olympus cameras, they are great tools for photography and I will continue to wait for an E system replacement. However, what I really want is a mirrorless system such as this camera for travel. But with wi-fi that does only a fraction of what the Samsung NX-300 will, GPS integration that is laughable, and a price that makes me shriek, I think I will continue to wait. Great pictures are not enough anymore, I want a system that truly embraces the latest in technology after the picture is taken.
Olympus is not shy to use the latest technology. They're the first one to put liveview on a DSLR. Olympus also invented the supersonic wave filter for removing dust from the sensor.
This is their first m43 with wifi, so it's somewhat expected that there's not much support around it yet.
Was going to replace an E-PL2 with this since I prefer the shape of the PEN but the price is too high. Might as well get an E-M5.
Nice camera. I think I'm finally going to upgrade my E-PL2 to this. The E-PL5 is a good body but I'd hate having to switch between a VF and flash, and the E-P3 had the old sensor. I'm not bothered by the lack of built-in VF as I have a VF-2. That said, I wonder what the E-M6 is going to be like. Would Olympus put a pop-up flash in it?
Marty4650: This could be a Fuji X100s killer. Especially if the 17mm f/.8 lens is bundled with it.
Not only will it be cheaper, but you will have the ability to mount other primes, which is something that the Fuji can't do.
Of course, it may not matter much, since the Fuji X100s has something like a .0001% market share....
@zinedi: given the two choices, I'd pick the apple. Seriously though, I know someone who replace a X100 with a GX1+20/1.7. This is rumored to be $1000 with the 17/1.8. Add the VF2 and you're pretty much the same price as a X100s. Similar size, price and FL targeted intermediate users.
zamorac: Is it a typo in specifications or this camera accepts only MICRO SD cards? Micro SD is way to small and fiddly for regular use.
Most Samsung Android devices accepts microSD also. So, some alignment there.