Zeisschen: I really don't know what people hang out on this forum, but for sure the majority has obviously no sense for quality products and their price.
Nobody ever touched or used a Leica, but the rant about price goes on and on on every Leica thread...
moga: This copy of lens has clearly litle centering defects... They can be seen at http://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/3367774683http://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/3367774683
those are links to the gallery. Try opening the jpg in a new tab:http://1.static.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TS5792x8688~sample_galleries/3367774683/9392763366.jpg
aris14: There are some non destructive tools and several image post processing suites for everyone. Some pro some not so pro. I guess that one of them suits someone mainly because of GUI. I also guess that at least 95% of pix taken and pped will finally have a Photoshop treatment no matter how light or heavy that 'll be. Adobe offered top products, still offer, but some parts of them still show their age. Alien skin is a serious company back from the 1993 (had a different name then), undoubtedly will offer a great product.The vast, to my opinion, number of such suites, converters and PP tools has to do with the fact that most people of photography does not know or hates to be involved with the maths and physics of photography.
Yes, Kai Krause. Kai's Power Tools had one of the most innovative (and inscrutable) interfaces I've seen --back when everyone had their own UI. He sold out to Corel around the same time Paint Shop Pro did. Anyone that worked with the 3d drawing program "Bryce" would recognize the Krause interface.
No -different companies, back then.
What HaR said. It's very similar to comparing a high-end TAG Heuer mechanical watch to a good Casio. The hand-workmanship , and materials, justify a far higher price (not that their better) but the Casio will be more accurate. The Heuer will last longer...with a lot of CAL maintenance. Some folks love the old-school clockwork gears and stuff. I've moved on.I'd love a Leica lens or two, but they are too dear for the marginal improvement over what I have.
One of the best groups of pictures I've seen at DPR. Nice work, Tom Goodman.
Actually Leica's prices are very fair, considering the amount of handwork and testing involved, as well as the small volume sold.Not my thing, for multiple reasons, but they are *not* overpriced.
Hugo808: Very nice and a consistent artistic vision.
"Consistency is crucial to a series of images like these. It reinforces the idea that it takes a talented eye and skill to reproduce a similar feeling in all your work."It's also arguable that this consistency can be stifling to an artist's growth, particularly as the artist hits the galleries, and begins to sell work...Painters seem to be more affected by this because of the greater amount of time each work requires, compared to photography (in general).Goodman gets around this by his use of portfolios, and varied techniques. Really excellent stuff :)
Interesting stuff, thanks
grasscatcher: I'd be curious of the charge time to 100%. I know that on my S5, it charges very quickly to 80% or so. The last 5% seems to take longer than the first 50%, although I've never timed it.
As far as electric cars, why not keep charged swappable batteries at all the gas stations? Swapping out for a fully-charged battery wouldn't take any longer than filling up a tank with fuel. However, I'm sure the oil companies would never allow it, or would sabotage it if forced to allow it.
You're referring to legacy batteries, for legacy cars. There are no longer dozens made for a car built in the last few years, and they could easily reduce this to a single design (probably modular), if the need were there. Electric cars are a new phenomena, and it would not be difficult to standardize on a shape, and connection method that would make this possible.The point is: I believe it's doable.
PerL: Apparently the system does not mean much or anything in these comparisons. How can the system camera Sony A7 II be considered a better choice than the system cameras Nikon D610 or Canon 6D?And "best overall" when DPReviews user report showed how much the Sony EVF/AF system lags traditional DSLRs in the field for action shooting?
Many people in this price range wish to manual focus, sometimes, (legacy lenses, anyone?) --maybe just to say they did... and this is a far more gratifying experience with an EVF." if you need a DSLR AF system, you probably know it." Yes, but that 'need' is shrinking rapidly. If my main interest was sports, and probably BIF, I'd get a d750. But it isn't.
Some folks really did just fall off the turnip-truck...
"But, in this price range at least, it seems the dslrs have a better focus system for most people most of the time."Most? I think this says more about your needs than 'most people'
Camley: Thanks. An excellent and very useful review. I haven't worked my way through it all but I am sure that you know that it's easy to move the focus point over the subject using the rear controller buttons. This is made much more convenient by setting the center rear controller button to "Standard". Apologies if this is covered in the review.
I never move the focus point...man am I missing out ;*)
Dimit: Sony A7rii is imho the best camera one can buy today but not the best money can buy..
I see...You're saying the A6000 is the best deal for your money...dollar for dollar, Kronor for Kronor?
pacnwhobbyist: An interesting thing to do is go to your local camera shop - ask to handle the A7r II and try it out. Then ask to see the Nikon D750 and try that out. In that order.
What Magnar said --we weren't born with DSLRs in our hands. I shot for years with regular SLRs (60s, 70s, 80s) then took many years off, and found the ergonomics of a modern Nikon or Canon a complete mystery. Buttons everywhere and not where I'd put them. This made adapting to the NEX ergonomics much easier fro me, I imagine...There's a lot I would change in the A7 interface, but I use it every day, and none of these things are dealbreakers, or cause me to lose shots I want. Frankly camera ergonomics needs to drop the fake film-reference, and that's a slowly evolving thing.
veroman: Seems to me that the review is better than the camera. I know some photogs swear by this line of Sony cams, but the ergonomics, buttons, menus, A/F and overall "feel" of these cams just isn't up there with the best DSLRs. Yeah, the bodies are svelt, but with a couple of those big, fast Sony zooms and primes coming along for the ride, you've got yourself a pretty hefty, heavy, bulky package. What's the point? High IQ? Megapixels? High IQ and megapixels are the easy part these days. Making a camera that will last a lifetime ... as they did in the film days ... is what's really needed; that along with a camera that gets all of the basics right. Hmmmm ... like a Leica?
Film cameras won't last a lifetime, either, when used the way we use digital cams (I shot 15,000 images last year). The sensor in this Sony will be completely obsolete in 5 years anyway.
zerlings: I have the A7II but don't like it much (e.g. control, colors, AF speed). The A7RII seems a very advanced camera but is it much different to the A7II?
If you can't get good color out of the A711, you won't from this one either.
mpgxsvcd: That lens is unusable even a 1/3 of the way through the frame from the center. Absolutely terrible. This camera should be on the “Don’t Buy” list if these test images are any indication of its performance.
Will Dpreview comment on whether these samples are indicative of what we should expect from the camera or were there outside influences like camera shake that caused the blurriness?
...and while you're at it, Barn, can I get a latte --with soymilk?
justmeMN: If I buy this $4,200 (including kit lens) camera, it will transform me into a Real Photographer. :-)
"@Ericfrom a compostion kind of view. That is camera in-dependent."Ok (but you're ignoring the point), try this: would you say the sheer amount of mechanical and chemical drudgework Ansel Adams went through, to create a 8x10 negative, made him a better artist?