kapeed1: I like the 5 stops of IS from an in body sensor stabilization system. This is on par with or even exceeds the 4 stops of stabilization that Canon or Nikon have with their optically stabilized lenses, don't know how 5 stops was achieved but it is super awesome.
As one perspective, 5 stops makes a F 5.6 lens behave like a F 1.0 lens in terms of light gathering ability.
As another perspective, 5 stops means light gathering ability is increased 32 times (2^5 or 2 raised to the power of 5)
The only downside is that the cost advantage in terms of lens is not seen practically. I dont see many non stabilized fast lenses, also that means that if you were to ever put a Panasonic stabilized lens on an Olympus, you will immediately lose the cost advantage.
The other downside I see to micro four thirds is lack of much support from excellent lens manufacturers like Sigma, who have made Art 18-35 lens (no equivalent here), and other Art lens at a fraction of the price of PRO level Olympus
For image stabilization you also need a stable image!
Main learnings for me:1. Data processing is the main hurdle to develop a price effective solution for high MP sensors without workarounds (compressed RAW files). 2. There is ample development potential in dual pixel AF, but see above3. Canon is struggling with large company disorders: implementing faster time to market (FTTM), managing internal competition and meticulous safety-player (slow) decision making are all the known symptoms.4. I am convinced they can enter the mirrorless market with full force if and when they decide.Otherwise i want to know the individual lenses ' unit sales of the different manufacturers. (sony E, fuji x, but also nikon FF and DX etc.) Also the lens per body sales ratio. Because I suspect that developing a full lens system just eliminates profit if done too fast.
kadardr: Pentax marketing is and must be niche marketing. It seems Pentax brand will be DSLR design only. I can imagine to introduce a MILC system under the Ricoh brand name. Ricoh GR APSc is up and running and needs some brushup. I hope RICOH will enter the market with a FF GR featuring a 35-40 mm lens.
They also introduced the K-01. Still, mirrorless is closer to Ricoh DNA.
Pentax marketing is and must be niche marketing. It seems Pentax brand will be DSLR design only. I can imagine to introduce a MILC system under the Ricoh brand name. Ricoh GR APSc is up and running and needs some brushup. I hope RICOH will enter the market with a FF GR featuring a 35-40 mm lens.
The D7200 announcement IMO is a good advertisement for the NX1.
I wonder what the overall score was for still photography? 76%? 79%? Anyway the DPR score has importance only in department store displays and on line store headlines. This body is not for general use. More and more cameras are specialized weapons for special tasks. Nothing is wrong about this if you know what you are doing. Also less and less chance you can cover all your needs with one camera body only.
If you have a a first/second generation Pen, well it is time to upgrade. If you are in the m43 system, this camera maybe for you as a very reasonable upgrade (depending on the priorities). If you own an OMD EM-1, it is not worth it. If not in the m43 system (like me), well, I do not think of it as an entry point, as there are so many other options (non m43). By the way the high resolution mode for me is more like a marketing stunt, although I like it.
Very good discussion. Worth to right more articles about.
The winner is all staged. Set to win.Chinese worker is best. IMO of course
kadardr: Could anybody produce a 36x36mm sensor (roughly 50MP) and a corresponding camera? That would be a really interesting MF option.
With the 36 by 36mm size many present FF lenses could be used with little or no drop of IQ
. FF Pentax body. 36 Megapixel sensor (similar to D810) no AA filter + the K3 LPF technology. 30 sec to 1/8000 shutter speed with 1/250 flash sync silent mode, electronic first curtain shutter. obviously APSC crop shooting mode. -3 EV AF crosspoints . good manual focusing options with interchangeable focusing screens and focus peaking in live view (lens compatibility for all K bajonett lenses). advanced live view options like live histogram zebra pattern and again focus peaking with and without magnification. native ISO 50 or 64, ISO 51200 as maximum (enough is enough) . 4K video with at least 30 fps max. 100%, 0.8 magnification viewfinder with advanced data view like in 7d2. weather sealing pro quality built body. tilt screen (not very important). I would happily embrace a larger than 3.5 inch LCD screen.. Several raw options. Several user setup memory options. programmable buttons
Could anybody produce a 36x36mm sensor (roughly 50MP) and a corresponding camera? That would be a really interesting MF option.
The M lens lineup is adequate for beginners, maybe 1 or 2 pancakes are missing (18mm and ca. 50mm). Nikon 1 Nikkor lens lineup is more than enough for the beginners. Sony mirrorless was and is successful without a fully fledged lens system in spite of their critics whining. M43 has a systemic lens lineup and Fujifilm is getting very close. Samsung: if you own the two new pro zooms what else do you really need?. So the situation is evolving in the mirrorless domain and Canikon will catch up eventually and when they have to anyway. So rest assured everybody will be taken care of. By the time mirrorless AF systems will be equivalent with those of the best DSLRs well by then they will all have full fledged lens lineups also.
Frank C.: the mighty Sony a9 /w 50M+ sensor will smack the Canon down and all the time and effort would have been for naught, shame really.
In max. two years all FF manufacturer will have 50 Mp cameras (Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony). For Sony you better wish Zeiss to produce Otuses with FE mount. Also wish for a better shutter mechanism in A9. Also wish for a better Raw file algorithm in A9.
Stollen1234: Is this a new trend? It looks like Canon is producing new cameras for specific kind of photography. Canon 7D II for wildlife birding and sports...the new 5DS for studio and landscape....
Is this really a good idea?
This announcement surely brought out a legion of trolls getting high on megapixels.
Poor men's medium format camera.
A good sales boost for the Otuses
The era of gradual improvements has begun in the MILC domain. I prefer progress this way.
Full frame rules