jtan163: One has to imagine the next A prime will be an 85 1.4.Sigma seem to be releasing a complete line of primes in the traditional focal lengths, in what appears to me to be from most useful to most specialist order.
135mm should come before the 85mm, their current 85mm is very good and their best ever non Art prime.
It's nice to have Sigma announce a new Art lens and a) have pricing and availability info so soon after announcement rather than waiting a few months and b) having actual availability so soon after as well! Here's hoping the A and K mount catch up period won't be too long given this change of direction for them.
So we might see this lens in A-Mount in another 6 months or so and then DPR can finally review the A77 II?
Nikon and Canon and Sony and to some extent Pentax are not in the same situation as Fuji, panasonic and Olympus. Those three abandoned their legacy systems as soon as mirrorless came out. They also had such insignificant user bases that they didn't need to support their legacy customers, they just simply started again.
For Canon, Nikon, Sony and Pentax they would all, in some way have to support an existing user base and use mirrorless to augment their product lineups rather than replace them. They have all gone about this differently, Nikon have gone after the soccor mom market who (quite rightly) complained about slow P&S cameras, so they made fast cameras, really fast! With enough IQ to satisfy said market while also being limited in technology (no one has a FF camera still that is as fast as Nikon 1, well at least in an affordable range). Sony has gone this whole 'one system' approach using SLT as a bridge between the two (which probably makes sense for them with their smaller market), Pentax went with the novel Q system meant simply to be the smallest and as such the least to really need legacy support or find it particularly useful).
Which leaves Canon, who basically followed the same path as Nikon, but aimed for better low light and IQ over speed in the P&S upgrade market rather than speed. They have both a standard set of lenses that most P&S or first time DSLR buyers would use and left them at that with some sort of compatibility with 'proper' SLR lens systems.
They probably did a lot of research into what they thought their target markets want and are a response to that, but that does NOT account for what the typical DPR reader is interested in...
I would just like to note that Nikon has been lumped into the same boat here, but when talking about lenses and how (DPR fave) Panasonic and (other DPR fave) Fuji both have f1.2 'portrait' primes, Nikon in fact have one too AND before either of those other two. Canon have more f1.2 AF lenses then anybody and they can be used on this camera as well with an apparently difficult to find adapter (maybe in regions that don't sell the cameras?).
All I can say (actually not really) is:
'we are developing serious mirrorless'
'we have always been serious about mirrorless'
THIS is exactly the product we should have been expecting.
justmeMN: I don't fault Canon for not aggressively rushing into a money-losing sector.
I'm sure Nikon users said the same thing about AF when Canon went headlong into AF SLRs. People 'probably' said the same thing about motor cars too... 'I'm glad brand x isn't getting on this motor car thing, they should be developing faster horses' ;)
67gtonr: What? , why was the Canon EOS EF-M 11-22 IS lens, one of the best UWA lenses on the market, left out of you article???
It was mentioned but dismissed because it is a 'slow zoom'... not that I know of any mirrorless system with a fast UWA zoom (yet, Olympus yet to land).
bossnas: What are the clone/healing tools like? I just want an app that will be good for spotting the odd bit of dust from film scans and I certainly don't want to be paying Adobe a monthly subscription for that. Thanks.
Why not try the beta and find out?
abortabort: I wonder if this will mean we see a Sigma DN Art lens based on this sometime soon?
Fingers crossed I would hope so!
I wonder if this will mean we see a Sigma DN Art lens based on this sometime soon?
Andrew Butterfield: Interesting to have a 21mm lens on a compact camera.
I would be quite interested in an RX100 with a 16-35mm equivalent lens.
Mescalamba: Looks great.. Reminds me a bit of old Digilux from Leica. Or Hasselblad "improved" NEX camera. Minus that tastelessness..
Fully articulated LCD would be nice tho.. at least it moves a bit..
Actually reminds me of the 'melted plastic' look of the NX100, but with leatherette disguise. But the result actually isn't bad.
dosdan: I suppose some will be interested in upgrading to FF. I'm not.
Does this mean that Pentax users will soon have to chant the "You're not a serious photographer unless you're using FF" mantra?
Assuming it has no AA 36MP sensor, in crop mode it should perform like a K-5 IIs, no slouch of a camera with the option of FF when you need it.
photog4u: Last chance to vote people cuz if Sony wins this thing instead of Nikon, many here at DPR will be spending the weekend sitting Shiva :)
Maybe there is something to what different people say in forums though, I mean where is the A7S review that was being done alongside the GH4? Where is the A77 II review? A7 II? A5100? What about NX1? X100T?
They manage to do timely reviews of Canon, Nikon and Panasonic, but can't be bothered with others? And don't give me that popularity contest, the A77 II and NX1 scored about the same in readers polls as the 7D MkII and the A7S scored much higher than it, A7 II topped its category and is likely to come out on top, equal or very close to top overall. What review do we get? GM5.
hotdog321: Poll buttons don't work for Firefox 35. I wonder how useful a poll is that does not support major browsers.
They are drag and drop?
haroldo: Smartphones? i'd say Mismanagement and Sony. Wake up, Canon!
@ Dr Jon - Minolta had APS-C systems and 135 in the latter days of film and lots of years in M mount plus supporting Leica with R mount. Things aren't any different now really.
The Squire: Should be reworded:
"Other people making better cameras than us is cited as a big cause for the slowdown in sales..."
Camera-phones have been around a long time now. Can't keep using that excuse. And in the mean time other companies have grown their camera division sales.
SO, what's the real problem Canon?
" they at least make profits unlike most of the competition, most importantly Sony which is loosing money in a huge amounts."
Sony is losing money, funnily enough, because of their smartphone business. Their camera business makes a healthy profit.
tbcass: Didn't include the Sony A77ii so I didn't vote.
It did pretty well against the 7D MkII, its nearest competition, which I would say is a fair showing.
MarshallG: You didn't include the Canon 7D Mark II, so I didn't vote.
It was already weeded out in the first round where it WAS included.