evan47: if they gave it 1;1 macro, the ability to easily move the focus point without too much faffing about, better af speed, better battery life and did not over price it only to discount it as soon as a viable competitor became available then i would consider one.as it stands i used the rx10 for 6 months only to sell it on as it was no match for my dslr nikons.its was good but not that good.
I liked the first one, AF speed was probably my only real gripe. Nikon DSLR might produce better results, but the RX10 II is a better hybrid and if that is what is important to you then the Nikon just doesn't do it, just as the RX10 didn't do it for you.
coody: There are only $300 difference between RX10II and RX100IV. People should go for the RX10II.
Price to spec is not the only metric that determines value. This is something that seems to get lost on the internet. They are two very different cameras for different purposes. I agree the RX10 II looks fabulous bang for buck and is the often overlooked model in the Sony range.
ripleysbaby: Just how many lenses out there can cope with all those Sony megapixels anyway.I could possibly raise the cash to buy the camera, but nothing would be left for quality glass. that means for the first time for me the Leica looks worth the money
'There's an f/2.0 Sony, which won't compete with a good Zeiss or Leica lens for optical quality.'
Good for the Leica, will it ever resolve more detail than the Sony combo? No, because it can never be put in front of another sensor.
JapanAntoine: Quite impressive specs, indeed! And very appealing.Now, before I jump and sell my house to buy this beast, I'd like to check what Fuji has up their sleeve for the X-Pro2 (due this fall)...
I was always pretty annoyed by Sony's unique habit of releasing different models in Japan and overseas, meaning I can't have both JP and EN menus on the camera and unfortunately they seem to continue doing this (not that it would be a complete deal breaker though).
And I must admit I love the controls on the Fuji: this idea of having aperture and shutter speed in direct access through dedicated dials and rings is just a blessing.And the Fujinon glass, mama mia, versus Zeiss... tough choice!!!
I'll have to rent both for a week and figure out on the field.
I could be wrong but I believe there are only two models, domestic market Japanese that only have Japanese menus and international which I believe has options for many languages including Japanese.
Dorkooken: Specs are better than expected! Sony really surprised me..
I really hope the AF is as great as they claim...I sold my previous Fuji because their "fastest AF of the world" was marketing BS
Pitty they didn"t announce a new standard zoom (24-105)
Sony's fast AF is actually fast. Plus Sony put a lot of effort into making their lenses really fast to AF. All the lenses will be fast, not just the latest ones (Fuji's later lenses are capable of being fast, the earlier ones not so much).
Couscousdelight: Here is the confirmation than sony is still using their crappy lossy compression on the A7rII :http://diglloyd.com/blog/2015/20150612_1406-Sony-fixs-in-A7R_II.html
How is that confirmation? Someone who hasn't touched or used the camera, nor seen any actual RAW files. Not saying he is wrong, but it means nothing at all.
Mike FL: I like engadget.com's title better:
"Sony's new point-and-shoot is the point-and-shoot to end all point-and-shoots"
Now SONY has 4 RX100, and they are all different with different price tag which can and will against all other P&S, Canon G7X, G1X-M2, and Pana LX100.
Further more, the 4K available SOMY RX100-2 is priced at half of the price of Canon XC10 while Canon XC10 has:- Slow lens- No EVF- The questionable Canon sensor's performance
'While i do agree with you, the canon XC10 is aimed at another market. And probably answers better the needs of professionals. RX10 is an enthusiast model for enthusiast photographers.'
Professional needs in a hybrid camera:
Professionals need RAW stillsProfessionals need high quality audio for video with XLRsProfessionals need built in ND filtersProfessionals need constant aperture lensesProfessionals need speedProfessionals need a VF that they can easily switch to without having to attach and detach a piece of plastic
The RX10 II seems to me to fit the needs of professionals requiring a hybrid cam much better than the Canon does. Pro run and gun type shooters don't need 400Mbps video, cinema yes, run and gun? No.
All for half the price. Sony also make video camera form factor models using the same basic architecture but in a video camera style and with higher bitrates for those that need it.
RuneMC: Stacked sensor sounds very interesting if it means something like the Sigma sensor/image quality.
4K video also interesting, but 8K would have been even more interesting to extract panorama images from the video with Microsoft ICE 2.0 for example.
And the EVF - please drop it to drop the price significantly.
Will probably keep my RX100 Mk1 and wait for RX200 (whenever that may be) - although if the stacked sensor is exceptional, then I might be tempted...
You know the sensor is max 5K resolution right?
John Nall: I'm curious to know if the new RX camera modifications will result in longer battery life, quicker focusing, faster image processing or turn-on. I have both the 10 and 100 mk3 and found these items bothersome, while taking 7,500 shots during a one-month European vacation. Whew! my trigger finger hurts.
It should be noted that there may in fact be a noticeable advantage in power consumption from the new sensor.
electronbee: Only thing I don't like is the 1" sensor marketing ploy. The 1" sensor was originally devloped to replace a 1" imaging tube and the sensor is nowhere near an inch on any dimension. Ok, I'm off my pedastal.
It isn't a marketing ploy. You may also note NO sensors are rated for the dimensions of the frame, including 35mm. So if that is your point than they are all marketing stunts.
Mike FL: Richard Butler;
Did SONY mentioned the performance improvement of 1" sensor comparing to RX100-3 for Low light ISO and DR.
Or can you ask SONY please?
Just because they don't mention it doesn't mean it's the same. With marketing like this they tend to choose and focus on the key aspects of the improvements and leave lots of the other small improvements aside. They don't want the key info to get scrambled or lost.
There will be lots of other little changes throughout these cameras that users and testers will find.
Azbeen: Please Sony.....create an RX10 'Landscapers' version with a 20-100 (equiv) lens !
Then I'll open my wallet !!!!!
I would rather they made a 16-35mm equivalent RX100. I would own that in a heartbeat. And maybe a tele version, call them RX100W and RX100T.
Beckler8: I guess one awkward thing is the RX100iv outclasses RX10ii in some areas? How does that make any sense. Like the 16/14 fps - tho they don't specify how many frames at those rates. Anyway the big RX10 should have some more hardware advantages - with what are they filling all that extra room inside, if it is, seemingly, the same electronics as RX100?
Bigger lens (which is not 'only' outside the camera) plus obviously the control / body difference (would you really want that lens strapped to an RX100 body?). Space inside bodies isn't always 'for' something though. But there is also differences such as hotshoe, bigger flash, bigger and fixed VF optics.
The other difference is cooling, RX10 can do 4K for 30mins, RX100 is only 5mins.
I suspect the reason for the faster fps of the RX100 is much more simple, it is the shutter that is different and much more specifically for the leaf shutter in these two is that the RX10 shutter has to cover a larger area which may take more time or more time to reset.
Graham Austin: When this hits sports and news photography, that's when it will really make a huge difference. So much data though!
These aren't 16MP RAWs, they are extracted from 100Mbps video, that means 416KB per frame (sort of, kind of).
Photoman: Does it do 4k to the internal sd card or do you need a external recorder?
@ Photoman: Which camera specifically? I'm in Australia and have had no issues with A7S or RX10 in some insane heat. A7 and some NEX models and some Alpha models have however had issues.
Operator: The price with 3,2k must be aimed at pro level ... with 290 shots CIPA battery life :-DD Will see this toy in sale faster than we can charge the battery.
But the positive: Can't wait to See the sensor in a real pro camera. Sony you are a excellent sensor designer, forget the cameras - not your business.
I've shot weddings with A7S with around 1500 shots per battery. 2500+ with two batteries in the grip and plenty to spare. Battery life on these is lowish if you spend all day wandering around with the camera on taking only a few shots. That's why ratings based on a standardised usage is not really relevant.
But it is good that you mentioned battery life as apparently no one thought to bring it up before, especially not to compare to 'pro' cameras.
Photoman: Is the RAW still 11bit?
technotic: Why not usb3?
For what? I see this comment on every camera (that doesn't have it) and the answer seems to be 'transfer images faster' at which point I just have to slap my head.
Franck Bender: Sony sure knows how to trigger our GAS...Guys, not to poop the party, but did you last body upgrade REALLY improve your photography ? Spend money not on promises and possibilities, but on something that'll allow you to do what you do better and faster.
...is what I keep telling myself.
Maybe not, but it sure as heck opened up more opportunities of what I could shoot with acceptable quality.
bgbs: 5Dsr is looking old...very old...like 5 years old, and it hasn't been shipped yet.
Swallowed up by Sony?