Eleson: Have the name super steadyshot gone away?Maybe it's not Pro' enough ' ...
Nope, it's printed on the top of the camera.
topstuff: Does it have a silent electronic shutter option like the A7S or does it still have the shaky, clattering shutter action of the old A7R?
All three have the SAME shutter. Each use it differently depending what the sensor is capable of but the A7S is 'capable' of being the same 'clattering' shutter as the A7R.... because they are the same shutter.
justmeMN: Since I don't live in Japan, I don't get excited about cameras that are only available there. :-)
It isn't available in Japan either. It will be available in December and the rest of the world in January.
cd cooker: Sony, will we get A7R II, A7S II also? Your product roadmap is very confusing. Why give us so many different choices when u probably can merge them together into at least just 2 models instead. Also, are we expecting annual update for this kind of "expensive" cameras?
I was replying to cd cooker.
PazinBoise: Well, when this hits the US it will be time for me to say good bye to both my 70D and my X-M1.
You said a lens kit, so you must mean specific lens requirements, not just the 'list' of lenses available, more like the ones you would actually be looking to buy. Fuji offers me absolutely nothing of interest, Canon's line up is extensive, but unless you are a super telephoto user they have a heap of lenses that are pretty old and past their prime. But they do have some excellent lenses in there as well.
jhinkey: Anticipating the A7RII sometime in the next 6 months I may have to let the A7R go now. I've taken some great shots with it, but the lack of IBIS was limiting for some of the things I do. If the A7II fixes the sensor cover issues, has a less noisy shutter I might grab that in the mean time. The A7R was an experiment for me as a companion to my D800, but has not worked out as well as I had hoped for my style of shooting.
Bring on the innovation Sony - hopefully Nikon will take notice and finally get off it's a** and get a full-frame mirrorless out the door. If they do it can't possibly be any less capable than the A7R and like have far better ergonomics.
@Tonio - I am aware of Nikon's use of Aptina sensors and first to market with PDAF, but something you might not realise is that those cameras are very fast because they have a very small sensor and have a large depth of field which makes focussing MUCH easier.
As for getting better results than Sony, not really. There are actually very few Nikons and Sony's that have directly the same model of sensor in them, but pretty much all the ones that are 'weaker' than Nikon versions all include PDAF that is not found on the Nikon version, so your mythical Nikon with Sony PDAF enabled sensor is likely to have the same 'flaw'.
Additionally you might notice that PDAF 'helper' points can speed up AF of CDAF lenses, they are really quite useless with PDAF lenses, mostly because PDAF lenses are terrible with CDAF. So the idea that Nikon with some made up magic pixie dust can suddenly make their existing lenses have blazing fast AF in a mirrorless with Sony sensor is quite a stretch.
jiamengial: Release some less horrifically priced but sharp lenses and I'll start to even doubt my X-T1
Well if you are happy with Fuji quality and that price then there is nothing really here for you.
HowaboutRAW: 463 comments, and not counting this one, two or three mention the fact that the camera is ONLY available in Japan for now.
It has been confirmed in Australia for January availability. Price is $1999 AUD (same as the A7) and prices are already being offered at $1599 for pre order.
vesa1tahti: No time lapse, no bulb = useless
Its an app. Until now available only on A7S, might come out for this though.
lacikuss: Incredible how engineering and miniaturization has been advanced by Sony:
Sony A7II Full Frame weight: 556gr
NIkon D750 Full Frame weight 750gr +35% more weight in same sensor
Olympus OM-D EM1 M4/3 frame 497gr -11% less weight half sensor sizeI believe the Sony 7 line is comparable in size with the 35mm SLR Cameras...
this is great because it just proves that it can be made.
Canon had to wait on the G7X as Sony have only recently made their sensor available to other OEMs. It wasn't wait and see.
jhinkey: The questions that I have are: - Does it have the same sensor cover that produces reflections with bright light sources like the A7 does? - How loud is the shutter? Both the A7 and A7r are loud - Does IBIS work with legacy glass in both photo and video mode - Is the water resistance improved - Does it have an AA filter and if so how strong is it
I would consider swapping out my A7r for the A7II if it improves in these areas.Great that Sony is iterating on their A7 lineup!
Doesn't seem to.
Xentrax: I actually like how A7 line looks. And I like this camera.
I would like built-in wireless flash controller serving also as a small flash, and with HSS.
Hopefully, in this camera EVF-LCD eye sensor triggers at s smaller distance than 4" in previous cameras. This was a major showstopper for me.
Another problem was that camera always works in aperture preview mode, causing EVF lags and reduced AF performance due to less light reaching sensor. I don't think that is ever fixed.
Yes. It isn't a problem it is a design choice to replicate what you see through the VF will be as close as possible to the final image at the current settings, but you can definitely turn it off. Fuji kind of sort of does this, but it is somewhat random in its workings giving some strange issues.
xmeda: FINALLY IBIS is back.. It was a huge fail to exclude sensor based steadyshot from NEX series.. bad sony, bad!
Not really, for what NEX was originally intended to be it made sense not to have IBIS.
Vignes: Looks like Sony spends more $$$ on their mirrorless camera rather than SLT DSLR. These is more of a threat to their own DSLR market. would they ramp down their DSLR in the near future?
What makes you think that? A77 II was announced only a few months back believe it or not (though it gets next to no coverage, especially here).
UnitedNations: I was going to buy the A7s next weekend for strictly night street photography.After seeing this news, I ask: What is the point of getting the A7s now if the low light shooting ability in the A7II is improved 4.5 stops due to the IBIS?I am a little confused about Sony's marketing intentions. What camera shoudl I buy?Can someone more knowledgeable than me please explain? thanks...
S and R models will be on the A9 around Feb. A7 will likely be a single model going forward.
So choice is a bad thing now? Ok got it.
topstuff: So this has the IQ of a Nikon D750 in a much smaller package and a great EVF.
Whats not to like?
If Sony expand the lens range ( a fast 35mm prime please ) this would be perfect.
I wish my D810 had an EVF. Maybe the 2nd generation A7 is the answer.
I think the A7 was always worth waiting for the 2nd generation.
35mm f1.4 native FE in March. There is the Sigma Art available now through adapter.
munro harrap: Waiting for a Nikon 36MP full-frame? Well, you might be. Suppose rumours are true that they too are working on a mirrorless theme as are Canon? Imagine being able to have full-frame coverage using all the Nikkor lenses you cannot use on the A7 series WITH AF, and with no loss of coverage because Nikon will keep the same style and leave the space for the mirror empty (save perhaps for a removable filter to protect the sensor and the electronics as Sigma DSLRs used to have).
Daft on the face of it? Not really because as soon as you get beyond about the 35mm lens you need and then get provided with too long lenses, each of which has to compensate for the loss of the mirror box on the A7 by adding an extra bit of its own. As this applies to most lenses the kit is larger and heavier, as the sole advantage of the A7 series body is its narrowness. But that happens once only.
I pray Nikon keep the mirrorbox on theirs and then we wont have to replace all our already too expensive lenses
Nikon already have one, just put a DSLR in live view mode and bam, mirrorless with the space in place to use existing lenses ;)
toomanycanons: When's the last time any of you bought a Metz product?
About 4 weeks ago, I needed a cheap flash quickly for my backup body.
Matz03: I really want to like Sony and the A7 options, but news like this further proves to me that sony is an electronics company and treat the camera market like they are TVs. So now there are 4 FE bodies, rumors of another PRO body in a month and how many native FE lenses? 5? 6?
On another note, a year from now there should be some more lens options and used A7 bodies to be had for $500 looks rather appealing.
There are 7 native lenses in one year, in 3-4 months there are another 4 (28mm f2, 35mm f1.4, 90mm f2.8 Macro and 24-240mm) plus 2 adapters for the 28mm (21mm f2 and 16mm f2 fisheye). Plus they have expanded the roadmap to include more lenses than the previous 15 (20 or 25 can't be bothered to look it up).
On the other hand Fuji are about to bring to market their 70-200mm competitor and next year their 24-70mm competitor.
Olympus have just released their high end telephoto (after how many years?) and will release their high end UWA next year. They have just released a 50mm equiv and wasn't so long ago they brought out a decent 35mm lens.
I'd say they are filling out the lineup quickly and efficiently given past experience with new systems.
This is of course totally forgetting the entire world of A-Mount lenses that just got much better supported with IBIS, many of which are excellent, inexpensive, relatively small etc.