zavart: Oh , and one more thing . Samsung should have joined the MFT group, especially since they didn't have a large selection of lenses to begin with . This would have been a smart move because people right now more than ever are looking for lighter cameras and lenses and it would give them opportunity to be part of the successful group rather than lone loser with the dead end system ! At least people could have risked buying their cameras knowing that in the worst case scenario they could have always buy lenses and accessories from other MTF makers !
Did you ever consider the reason why crop cameras have a much higher burst rate is so they can sell you another camera? I mean 1DX outdoes the 7D II. So it isn't the 'format' as such. But yes, general crop cameras are faster. But at what point do you not need faster? 10fps? 20? 30?
hifimacianer: Fuji has a similar feature in it's X10, x20 and x30 cameras.It takes two or three Images in a row, to render some background blur on static images. It works pretty good.
You can't choose the focus point in post, but therefor it also works handheld.
I know how the Fuji works. I don't get what the limitation is with this though for moving subjects? So it scans the focus back and forth while capturing 4K video and then ises the touch screen t select a focus point and goes through the frames to find ones that are in focus on that point. So if you are rolling 4K footage and manually whip the focus back and forth it solid essentially do the same thing. In theory as long as your subject has been in the frame during this process there will be images where that subject was in focus. Not sure how that makes it for static subjects only?
iAPX: Sad, as Samsung have done a great job to deliver incredible price/performance camera, as the NX 500 that was exciting.
NX1 was a due failure, with a tag price near the Nikon D610 (for example) while not having it's dynamic range, true real-world resolution (with good lenses), and noiseless high ISO (or at least beautiful noise at 6400 ISO in BW).
What I wonder is how purchasers of Samsung camera will fell, especially if they shut down lenses, without probably any new lens to put in their camera, and the lack of confidence in the brand & company???
I experienced that with the Pentax K10D, and it's lack of lenses, then I decided to resell it for a few bucks, and go back to Nikon, definitely. Pentax lost my trust, and my wallet too.
@ HAR - Yeah great, a gimped kit lens that is sharp, or was 4 years ago, for a mirrorless lens that is. Wowzers! Definitely backing the right horse there... Although you don't know its breeding very well considering it ISN'T their first kit lens. My NX10 came with a 18-55mm, it wasn't until the NX100 that they started to make the cheaper and smaller 20-50mm that they decided to gimp with a gimpy kit lens (although the fact it looked like melted excrement probably took all the attention away from the kit lens, at least you could get a (woeful) EVF for it unlike my NX500).
Yeah that 85mm, big as a full frame lens, no better than a Sigma (pre art). Exciting stuff! Bet it goes super nice on the NX100.
"Your summary dismissal of the NX lens line is subjective and ignorant. For example, Photozone reports on the 20-50mm: "Optically it is among the best standard zoom lenses in the mirrorless system class that we've seen so far." "
'So far' - and when was that tested? 4-5 years ago? Yeah defintely something to cause you to hang your hat on a system 'they make an optically good but crippled kit lens woo! Go you good thing! Ignorant and diamissive? Yeah that sounds like you.
"The 30/2 is superb"
Comapred to what? It is a very nice lens for a gen 1 mirrorless lens that isn't exactly designed so well for mirrorless AF, it can't be simply updated being a pancake, so it sits around as the optically very decent (but in no way extraordinary) but mechanically gimped love child of NX users 'oh but they made a great pancake once' we hear them say.
"the 20mm is very good as well as the 16mm especially stopped down."
Again compared to what? Most lenses are good stopped down and these aren't any better than what is available for most other systems in fact mostly they are worse. Bit at least they are pancakes right?
"The 45mm is really good, indeed"
As are almost any lens in this class, but this one just happens to be a particularly awkward FL. I guess at least it is slightly different.
"as well as the 12-24 (which is as well build as any lens in this class)."
Really? Tell thay to the people whose lenses fell into halves. Dont know too many 'in this class' that do that.
"How many examples of lens design do you know that offer pancake size and F2 at standard focal length as the 30/2 at all?"
Who cares? They are compromised designs for a gimmick. FWIW Canon make a few very fine ones. Panasonic. Voigtlander too. Pentax. Sony. Oh you meant HAS to be pancake, HAS to be crop, HAS to be AF and HAS to be mirrorless but cannot be m43's and HAS to be between 45-50mm equiv otherwise it just doesn't count right? Not the same? Yeah...
You are making the assumption that an idea is intrinsically linked to shipping products. 'If it weren't true then where can I buy xyz?'. Nice how you needed to add the burst rate thing too, considering we were talking about 'reach' and Canon do on fact ship your 7D II sensor in a larger format, so to cover yourself you add about burst rate (which has nothing at all to do with my comment about reach).
'Reach' is a myth.
No, it will work with moving subjects. It does a focus sweep taking essentially 30 shots a second and you choose which shot to use. So in there somewhere is a shot of your subject that is in focus moving or not. That's the purpose. For stacking etc yes a subject will have to be stationary. For the actual purpose of this the Fuji does not do what this does.
James Wages: This article doesn't sufficiently emphasize the biggest limitation of the tech: you are saving a still from 4K video, which limits the resolution of the still to 8MP. For some uses that may be acceptable. But let's face it, a lot of us haven't used an 8MP camera for some time. Greater MP's allows for more creativity in cropping a pic while keeping noise in check. I still think it is useful, just with a resolution caveat.
So resolution gives you options for creativity, but being able to change the point of focus after the fact isn't, being that both get you down to a lower resolution?
p5freak: You can achieve the same result if you take normal photos (at full res) with different focus points. Its focus stacking, basically. It only works well for static scenes, the pictures must be exactly the same. The leaves in the church example moved because of wind, thats why there is motion blur in the stacked image.
No no no no no. This isn't FOR focus stacking (there are other options for that) it is for capturing movement mostly. Not just for static subjects.
This will work handheld and with moving subjects.
samfan: Meh. Post-capture focusing is the obvious future (next step after AF basically) but this implementation is really poor. Cropped and with limited resolution.
Canon compact cameras with the alt firmware (forgot its name) could do focus bracketing since forever in RAW and full resolution. Old Olympus DSLR circa 2006 could do the same, and even Contax had focus bracketing in its SLRs.
Really? Can they capture upwards of 30fps?
@ HAR - Wow a half decent kit lens, booyah! I suppose considering they have made 5 kit lenses in as many years they would eventually get one good one, pity it is because of limited range and lack of IS (in a slow kit lens of all things!) That really make it shine and this the system to beat ;)
Samsung lenses -
10mm FE - Seems OK for a FE pancake I guess12-24mm - expensive, bad build and likely to fall apart on you16mm - Not better than kit lens, not 'much' better than panned Sony 16mm which can be had significantly cheaper 20mm - Better than 16mm, but not by much. Not better than Sigma 19mm. 16-50mm PZ - About the same as Sony kit, maybe a bit better - ie not good30mm - Quite a good little lens, oldest of the current lenses and slow AF (much like Panasonic 20mm) 45mm - OK like most nifty fifty type lenses60mm macro - decent enough but not earth shattering85mm - As big as a FF, definitely no better, slow AF, quite expensive.
Rest are kit lenses not really worth talking about.
'S' line lenses -
16-50mm - Fast for this class, but not class leading in terms of resolution. 50-150mm - Seems very good as most in this class are.
The last two are really the ones that can take advantage of the fast AF system. Older primes are quite slow to focus comparatively and the slower zooms are too slow in low light to feed the AF system.
But of course HAR will explain about how they are only second to Leica as usual :P
Zeisschen: You know your company has done a tremendous job when you read so many butthurt comments on dpreview section...
Kudos to Sony for being the biggest and most constant challenger and innovator in the camera market since 5 years! The camera world would be boring without you!
@ HowaboutRAW - Another meaningless comment from the most meaningless contributor to this site.
FWIW Sony and Nikon do NOT use the same sensors, the closest in recent times is the one used in the A7R and D800 and there is a hairs difference.
cityofdust: A little bit out of subject ... But I was today at the Sony shop hold the a7r2 felt so wow great robust build, loved it. Than took a Sony lens in my hand ...
That was bad feel.
Not sure if serious? Which lens?
Simone S: I have the RII and in general i agree it's a great camera...but i also think it's time for Sony to develop some serious flash for the A7x line! I'm surprised that dpreview staff doesn't even mention the fact that the camera is not able to use External flash AF-assist light...something that even an entry level DSLR has!! Here i made a petition to Sony to implement that simple function in their mirrorless: https://www.change.org/p/sony-corporation-kazuo-hirai-enable-the-use-of-af-assist-lamp-from-external-flash-on-sony-mirrorless-cameras?recruiter=297208305&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Good luck with that. As has been discussed countless times before, including by DPR staff, they can't see the AF beams (more or less) so are rendered useless. It isn't about whether it's a 'feature an entry level DSLR has'.
Kaso: "Best overall: Sony Alpha a7R II"
LOL. Rishi? Bring me more batteries!
Most cameras last longer than CIPA figures. What I find kind of silly is that people read "Sony CIPA rating 320 shots" (or whatever) and say "oh well my DSLR lasts 2000 shots, I would need 7 batteries"... Except what DSLR is rated for 2000 shots? None. I have managed 1500 shots on a single battery on an A7S, I have shot 1500 shots on a GR (with tiny battery) shooting time lapse without even breaking a sweat and plenty of juice left.
forpetessake: Sony might have made the most technical advances. But in the end of the day it's the pictures that matter. And honestly looking at all those samples it's hard to deny the two Canons the most pleasing colors and tonality, far better than Sony.
Oh yes, the old 'colours' debate. Can we presume what you mean is "I" prefer Canon's (lack of) colour?
Foveonite: There should be a Best Video Camera in this category. and the winner goes to Sony A7S-II.period
I presume you mean autofocus in video Rishi?
Tons o Glass 0 Class: What would you rather shoot, Barney: this or the Leica Q?
Sony's UI is maddening? What controls in particular? I have been playing with the RX100 IV and yes, it is a pain, especially for video with MF. However the RX10 etc isn't bad at all IMHO and this seems quite similar. Basically it adds direct access to the things that I find frustrating on the RX100, such as focus mode switch, aperture and focus are dedicated (don't share a control ring), has two control wheels on the back (shutter and ISO) and if it can use 'focus settings' on the centre button it has access to everything I could need (especially as it doesn't have particularly complex video).
So I am curious as to which controls are particularly limiting for you Barney?