abortabort: Actually don't get the fuss around the GM1? Ok it IS nice, sure. What I actually don't get is why everyone is going ga-ga over it, yet at the same time shun the E-PM2 as being the 'beginners' camera? It is 10mm taller, 10mm wider and 3mm thicker. That isn't a whole hell of a lot really (also DPR, why no comparison shot?). Thing is though, that unless using the 'kit' lens, the GM1 is a bit more awkward with existing m43's lenses, potentially needing the grip to make it that bit taller.
The E-PM2 on the other hand had the same great AF as the OM-D, the same sensor etc, it was basically a mini OM-D in a tiny body... But no, it's labelled as a lame duck. Adding to this that the E-PM2 has a hotshoe, can take an EVF (including the well regarded one from the E-M1) or OVF and it has IBIS all at a considerably cheaper price... I just don't get it?
To be continued...
Point is, I really like the GM1, I think it is the epitome of what m43's should be about and I hope they continue in this way... But I don't get why the E-PM2 wasn't seen in this way (and considered / reviewed in this way) and the GM1 being compared against it and essentially dethroning it to become the new champion of 'tiny but capable m43's cameras'?
Actually don't get the fuss around the GM1? Ok it IS nice, sure. What I actually don't get is why everyone is going ga-ga over it, yet at the same time shun the E-PM2 as being the 'beginners' camera? It is 10mm taller, 10mm wider and 3mm thicker. That isn't a whole hell of a lot really (also DPR, why no comparison shot?). Thing is though, that unless using the 'kit' lens, the GM1 is a bit more awkward with existing m43's lenses, potentially needing the grip to make it that bit taller.
foocando: I do own one. I've been used it with Leica 25mm 1.4 lens. To me it is a killer combo for everyday casual shooting. Very light compact and produce great image quality. It deserves the GOLD Award.
Can't wait to get the 15mm 1.7 lens.
Happy holidays to all. Enjoy shooting pictures.
Seems like this would be a rather uncomfortable combo to me? I had the PanaLeica 25 on an E-PM2 and it was just awkward. It was better on the E-P3, just, with the 'large' (but actually tiny) grip. Are you using it with the little alloy grip on the GM1?
No Pentax Q7? ;)
Xentinus: Looks pretty but too big for Fuji x system cameras.
Well done caver3d, you must be very proud ;)
Having owned an X camera myself, I found the 18-55mm already too front heavy with no grip, is this going to be any better?
yabokkie: this lens has to be awesome, as good as EF-M11-22 for that's one of the reasons we need mirrorless mount.
@vratnik - Spoken like a true fan.
The 11-22mm is an excellent lens, but this would want to be for 2.5x the price!
jkspepper: bravo Fuji.. Sony, are you taking notes?
Why because they didn't already have a stabilised constant f4 UWA for a crop sensor? Oh wait...
cinemascope: The small throat of the FE mount also forces the lenses to be big, so it's not like it would make any difference if these were "native" designs.Sony itself also stated they are not "interested" in doing fast FE lenses, maybe because they would be silly monstrosities? Of course they won't admit FE is a technical nightmare, so let's just say they are "not interested"...This FE mount is a bad joke really and I hope this silly FF fad dies with it too...
Sony design team behind the A7/R said they were developing faster lenses.
As for the size, maybe consider this before shouting,your mouth off about what IS and ISN'T possible due to design:
ALL the recent Zeiss lenses and ALL the Sony Zeiss lenses have been absolutely HUGE compared to their respective counterparts, try having a look at these lenses and see how they sit compared to other lenses:
Zeiss OtusZeiss TouitsSony Zeiss 24mm E f1.8Sony Zeiss 24mm f2 Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4Sony Zeiss 85mm f1.4Sony Zeiss 135mm f1.8Sony Zeiss 16-35mm f2.8Sony Zeiss 24-70mm f2.8
All of these lenses are big, rather big even compared to similar lenses for the same or similar systems. This tells me there is a trend amongst Zeiss lenses that they don't tend to care much about size. Looking at the ones for E-Mount crop, they were also huge.
This does not mean that smaller lenses can't be designed for this system. Otherwise we could jump to the same conclusions that all 50mm f1.4's for DSLRs need to be as big as the Otus, what a shocker, they don't.
Wally626: Not the first third party E-mount FF lenses, the Zeiss CP series is also full frame and comes in E-mount. The Samyang's are the first non-cinema lenses.
The Samyang 'cine' versions have also been in E-Mount for ages.
facedodge: looks like they are the same lens, but with a built in extender.
@ pixelpushing - These already come in A-Mount, have for ages. Pointless comment.
jhinkey: Why not just make a high quality Samyang extender with all the pass-through electronics (if there are any) so that the user doesn't have to carry around an extender with each lens?I know there is data that shows extenders/adapters can cause problems, but there's no reason a high quality extender can't be made that mitigates or minimizes these problems. After all people are putting speed boosters and tele-extenders between their lenses and bodies all the time . . .
Because there already are adapters if that's what you want, this is for people who don't want adapters. I'll be going the adapted route, but if you look at the E-Mount forums many would prefer to have native mount without adapters.
luxor2: This lens is about the same size and weight as the Tamron 24 to 70 f2.8.The Tamron will cost several hundred more, but will have a more versatile range, longer and wider.
Used with a D610 or other compact full frame, Tamron gives a system not much heavier than the Sigma with D7100 body. Consider alternatives before getting this lens.
All well and good if you are looking to buy from scratch, but if you have a D7100 which is going to be more useful?
Trollshavethebestcandy: Slap this on the Oly EM1 via adapter and you have something interesting.
What is up with all the E-M1 trolls seriously?
This lens will work like a great big bag of crap on an E-M1. If you want a fast zoom, why not have a look at Oly's own 14-35mm f2?
Who would be comparing those two as well? Are you, as an E-M1 user (assuming) going to be considering buying and adapting the Sigma? Considering AF speed is supposedly one of the biggest strength of the E-M1 I tend to doubt it.
Kodachrome200: its a great lens. but the gushing about as if a 1.8 zoom creates unprecedented capabilities. it does not. you get the same low light capabilities and dof that full frame f/2.8 zooms do minus some image quality and a more useful zoom range. Now of course this plus an apc camera is cheaper. and its a fine lens great quality. but the capability is not unprecedented, just the f stop
This is true, but as the article points out, many have been lumped with FF leftovers if you want a fast lens for the most popular interchangeable lens format (not mount) in the digital age. This lens fills a sizeable gap, one that is in every mount from every manufacturer of APS-C DSLRs.
All smaller sensors have an advantage in being able to design smaller and faster lenses for it, but noone until now seems to have been willing to do so for crop DSLRs.
This lens is a stunning achievement in breaking down barriers imposed by the OEMs. Is it like an f2.8 zoom on a FF? Yes. Is it like no other lens we've ever seen for an APS-C DSLR? Yes!
Polytropia: Leica D Summilux 25mm 1,4 on the E-M1... you'll forget about anything else...
Assuming you like a 50mm equiv FoV and are prepared to spend $2k to get it. Personally I think that's a massive waste of money.
HappyVan: OP has expressed a personal preference. That's fine.
Just got to remember that the majority of DPR regulars are enthusiasts, not opportunistic snapshooters.
Versatility over portability. Depth versus weight.
While I agree wholeheartedly, the thing is DSLRS have been well and truly 'good' for quite a long time now. Do they get better? Sure. But they are usually just a further refinement of an existing design.
These cameras are interesting because they bring something new to the table.
Does this make them the outright best performing product? No. Does it make them the best IQ? No. But it does rank them pretty high on 'products that innovate within the market'.
Jogger: Given the type of shooting DPR staffers do, i suspect all of the DPR Camera of the Year will be these types of street-shooting, hipster type cameras. If they asked the same of SI shooters or wedding photogs, I doubt something like the GM1 would make the cut.
@ Marike6 - No you aren't, you are trying to enforce your own opinions of what this website is and the content within it. You aren't 'trying to see what the fuss is about', you've already decided that it isn't for you, therefore shouldn't be for anyone else. This is NOT your column. Disagree all you like, but don't sit there and try to sway the writers that they shouldn't have written this - that isn't your place to say.
Looking at the rest of the comments here, it is pretty clear to me that you are in a minority of one.
I'm NOT telling you to go, I'm telling you that if you don't like what DPR do (and you NEVER do) AND constantly threaten to go elsewhere, why not actually go through with it? Your empty 'threats' are becoming more and more meaningless every time.
Mattersburger: Interesting grip - from where?
That's the official one. It seems kind of on the pricey side though.
D1N0: Panasonic Lumix dmc-gm1. Me at camerastore.
I want a panasonic.
which one sir?
ehm.. lumix something
ehm d something.
the one they like at dpreview!
what's that sir?
Hehe this gave me a giggle :)
Though seriously, what's one sexy camera name out there? Where's the stills equiv of 'RED Scarlet' or 'RED Epic', even 'Alexa' or 'Phantom'... nope we get DMC-GM1, D800E, OM-D E-M5
Leica's new naming scheme might come close, in a slightly boring German way.
@ Marike6 - I can't count the number of times the readers of DPR have politely, then not so politely asked you to go away and not return. You do not represent them, in any way, nor will you ever.
Every single time your points are proven wrong you find some other little hole to spout your arguments against the writers of this website.
For the last time, stop saying you are going elsewhere and go!