nerd2: Put in D800 shutter box (1/8000 max shutter, 1/250 sync, 8fps max shooting) and this would be THE successor of D700. Yes I know it will never happen. Yes I know D750 is still the best all-around FF camera overall out there.
You don't seem to understand how rolling shutters work. The rolling shutter isn't operating at 1/16000th it usually operates at around 1/30th.
But global electronic shutters are coming and with those there will be excellent sync speeds again (CCD is essentially global).
xval: Well, it's obvious that Canon is not the "King of the Hill" anymore. DR is disappointing. But how important is it? In some cases it's critical, in most cases it's nice to have. In any case there is no way to reproduce it on monitor or paper. So people use phoshopping to emphasis shadow details which results in "pictures". Far from realistic photo. Nevertheless most are happy with HDR-looking something. ;) And even call it photography.
When DR doesn't matter much everything else becomes more important. That's where 7d2 excels. For me video with autofocus + uncompressed video out actually was one of the main reasons to upgrade. I need it. 7d + 7d2 + 2x (dirt cheap EFS 24mm lens) make a good setup for stereo photography, something I need too.
Sorry, my eyes see in the shadows that Canon's can't... It isn't 'HDR' it's 'normal'...
SRHEdD: As an old Nikon guy, after my D600 flaked and D800 had white spots, I jumped ship. This is a great camera, and for a change I actually HAVE a camera that gets a great firmware upgrade! As good as it WAS, it is very noticeably faster now! You get so many creative hardware scenarios with Sony, and they have the lenses I need. Not as many as Canikon to be sure, but very nice lenses in my wheelhouse. The 16-50/2.8 is a great kit zoom, but a little heavy. And having an A6000 as a second kit, using the same flashes, microphones, etc. is very satisfying (I can even share lenses with a LA-EA4!). Even my Sony P/S uses the same basic menus and I can add a mic to its hotshoe on a windy day. That's three different formats/mounts using shared kit. THAT'S how to build a system. Great job Sony! I'm with you for the long haul! ...Now to get that new A7ii to fill out my bag!
Tell that to everyone who ever sings the praises of Fuji for firmware updates.
I would like to clarify a point, in your description of the A7S you state that it has lower dynamic range than the A7R... this needs to be followed by the qualifier 'at base ISO'. The A7S has significantly higher DR at mid to very high ISO's which is kind of the point with this camera and is significantly overlooked. I have seen tests of 'noise' and down sampling etc but in lower light where this camera is meant to be used, the DR and colour fidelity are much higher than just about anything out there. But DR only seems to get tested (or reported on) at base ISO ie for landscape shooting, of which this camera is not the best tool out there for.
johnsmith404: I've been wondering why all those manufacturers like Pentax, Sony and Olympus didn't consider this earlier. Especially Pentax has shown that they can control the IS system very accurately on small scales (simulated AA filter).
It's about time this function becomes an industry standard in cameras with IBIS.
So does everyone... someone has to be first.
topstuff: Does it have a silent electronic shutter option like the A7S or does it still have the shaky, clattering shutter action of the old A7R?
@ Rob Sims - I did the same thing, the A7 for all the same reasons over the A7R. I also completely agree the A7R double clunk is overblown and the A7 is obviously better. I also happen to have a D700 and yes the shutter mechanics (including mirror) are definitely louder than the A7 (and maybe even A7R, which isn't louder really but definitely longer).
I also have an A7S which through the more damped body definitely has a lower frequency sound to it which makes it appear quieter and more 'appealing', it is also quieter than my D700.
But they are the same shutter, just wrapped up in different sound deadening (the body) that makes them sound a little different. The biggest difference is still A7R due to no EFCS. I would also still say the A7 II (unless it is a completely different shutter mech) will be more damped again due to the heavier, bigger, more solid body and more hardware in the actual guts of the camera, plus the sturdier mount like that of the A7S.
@ Rob Sims - Do you really think they would bother using different (but otherwise spec'd the same) shutters on all three? I didn't say the A7S is quieter I said that the body dampening makes it appear quieter.
When you tested them did you have the exact same lens attached? Grip / No Grip. Tripod mounted? Held the same way?
And for what most people refer to as the 'clatter' of the A7R (due to the additional movements of the shutter compared to EFCS models), yes the A7S, A7 and A7R are roughly capable of the same sound, give or take some differences in body dampening.
@Rob Sims - No that isn't 'well known' because it is factually incorrect. They all have the SAME shutters. The A7S has a more damped body which makes it sound quieter, understand? A7 II with EFCS 'should' be quieter again than A7S when both are using EFCS.
Aroart: Check out Sony a 5100,, it beats all these cameras in cleanet high iso.. See for your self it was even better than the a6000,,, yea yea I know its the same sencer.. A5100 also has a realy nice video newer codec than a6000...
Because it is also better at low ISO?
Sakura Sakura: I was looking over some recent images taken with my prehistoric Olympus EPL1. I doubt very much if you would notice much of a difference between an ELP1 print & that of most modern mirrorless.
If memory serves Sony had the 24MP NEX-7 (a two sensor generations upgrade over the original 14MP found in the NEX-3 and NEX-5) before m43's had moved the needle past 12MP and even then the original 16MP Panasonic sensors were considered rather woeful and many preferred still the Olympus output with the older sensor. It wasn't until Sony started producing the 16MP E-M5 sensor that things started looking up and Panasonic eventually came back with something as good or better with the current generation sensor.
A5100 has the same screen resolution as the A6000 and the other major difference between the two (other than body style and touch screen vs EVF) is the better video capabilities of the A5100.
deserthawk742: My Pentax K3 with the 3 classic limited lenses will easily beat all of the other cameras in this round up!
My 24MP Sony sensored camera with 3 Sigma primes will smash any of the cameras here... Oh wait...
aramgrg: I shoot canikon, but honestly, even after 7dii and a77ii, pentax is the best. Combine it with under $800 price point and it is a no brainer for the one who starts building a system.
Why? It just happens to be at that price point ATM, which also happens to be really close to the A77 II. But I am curious what gives the K-3 that distinction in your mind over the A77 II? NT, just curious.
shutterbud: DPR should not publish recommendations for a category if it has not reviewed all the cameras in this category. Any 8 year old could tell you that! This entire article is not only pointless and extremely embarassing, it endangers the credibility of this website even more than the several glaring deficiencies we have witnessed this year. What can we expect next? Best FF camera of 2014 is the Nikon D1,000 based on what Nikon told DPR they expect to be able to produce in 2017? "Best Compact in History is the LX3.....because that is the one I took on my Honeymoon?"A lot of people are spending a lot of money on their photography and this is the site they used to go to first to get the facts. Now they have to negotiate their way through DPR articles, re-interpreting bias and extrapolating from information gleaned from other websites and DPR members' comments.
Wow you go to a free resource to buy your gear elsewhere and expect them to give you the 'facts' the way you see them? Interesting. Also just because a full review has not been published on this site, does not mean those publishing this particular article have not ever used said camera. Finally, the outcomes in question (which I have been very much questioning myself TBH) do not make the recommendations you claim, the only camera recommended here is the D7100 which has very much been reviewed. Perhaps you think that cameras that haven't had a full review should also not be included in this roundup?
Vamp898: > and the Sony A58, which isn't an SLR at all
It is, who said something different? DSLR doesnt implicit that the mirror have to flip up.
The new SLTs like the a77II are also advertised as Translusent Mirror DSLR.
Right now the a58 is the cheapest of all of those cameras (380 € with kit lense in germany) and offers the most features, incl. MFNR and 100% Large Viewfinder (about the size of an fullframe camera).
Also Sony offers very good cheap primes like the 35mm f/1.8 and the 50mm f/1.8 for less than 300 €
Also with the 55-300mm Sony is the only one who offers a premium telephoto lense for APS-C
Also they are the only one with Image Stabilisation with every lense (even with fast primes like the 35mm f/1.8), that feature alone should have been enough to get the first place.
Im tired to see Canon and Nikon win for no reason, really.
The Pentax models include 100% VF coverage, offer IBIS with all lenses and offer basically all the lenses you mention and are quite inexpensive. They also offer dual control dials and the K-50 offers weather sealing.
Biowizard: Back in my film days, I ogled and rather fancied the Olympus Zuiko 8mm fisheye for the OM series - but these days, I just use my GoPro. Not sure I would want a fisheye with intentially POLISHED internals: for me there is no such thing as "creative" flare. I want the best starting point image possible (high contrast, sharp focus on the subject plane, soft bokeh in the back/foreground as desired) - but NOT low contrast and streaky flare, thanks.
Especially at a price point higher than my original OM-1 cost (OK, that was 40 years ago, eck hem ...)
'best starting point' - What so you can add flare in post?
Stephen Scharf: I agree with some of the posts below that these categories don't really make much sense to me from a use-based perspective. The rather artificially designated "high-end" dependent on having a full-frame doesn't make sense, as this one attribute appears to be a one-dimensional, where bigger is better. If that were the case, then medium format digitals would be even more "high-end".
Seems to make more sense to classify on their overall capabilities rather than enthusiast, high-end, Both the X-T1 & E-M1 have made significant inroads into pro ranks as very capable workhorses that meet professional needs for shooting in a wide variety of scenarios, as well as having a lens lineup available that also meets a full range of professional needs. Seems to me that a camera *system* like OM-D or Fuji X is a much more qualified professional sytem than Sony A7 series, which is hampered by a lack of professional lens selections. As such, one could view these as more "high-end" than the Sony.
Seems to me that the F number printed on the lens is easier to quantify than sensor size for you. "They told me in photography basics for dummy's that a smaller f-number means more light"...
lucinio: Fuji xt-1 is a fine and very good camera. But Sony A6000 give you about the same at half the price. So this one is my best enthusiasts mirror less camera.
Take what you want from it, I see that an under performing FE 'kit' zoom with A6000 performs to the same level as a $1000 'pro' zoom on a twice as expensive body. You can shuffle the data all you want, but as a 'system' you are getting the same performance for less than half the price.
Then turn around and look at the primes and comparisons just become laughable.
Jogger: I guess they wanted to stack the deck by excluding the A6000, it would have destroyed these cameras, esp. when price is factored in.
Yes, because what we REALLY need is overpriced 'f1.2' lenses to resolve antiquated tiny sensors. Why would you want a fast, light and inexpensive system that out resolves them all when you can pay for overpriced overhyped gear instead?