SingerNick: Yes, Canon has been hitting it out of the park with these premium optics. Hats off to them. But how about they stop shipping 6-year-old sensors in their flagship compact?
'Good glass lasts, bodies come and go' - It would want to with Canon, takes a decade for the sensors to take advantage of the glass ;)
joe6pack: The real question is why Apple is refusing to support touchscreen on MacOS X.
And so we just believe them?
I have been a Mac user for 20 years and I REALLY prefer the SP (and the MANY other hybrids out there) to the current Mac lineup. I still keep my quad core MBP and Octo Core MP, but for travel and day to day I much prefer a Yoga Pro to my work MBA.
Toemel: I wonder how this compares to an app like Remote Mouse for iPad?
Completely different AFACT.
Cool! Now I wish Wacom would support their own pens with the iPhone, seeing how these guys can manage it! Astropad is a great great idea that I have been asking for for ages, if someone could do this with some wacom penabled device that would be even better.
I use a Surface Pro (and prior to that dozens of penabled tablets, no SP was NOT the first, not by about a decade) for this capability, but sure would be nice with something smaller and can be used with more powerful hardware (yes Cintiqs exist and Wacom companion, but both are expensive and somewhat cumbersome needing external power supplies and USB and video connections).
Couscousdelight: It's funny, the Pentax K5II was capable of focusing at -3 Ev since 2012, but DPR don't even notice it in their review's pros & cons :http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-5-ii-k-5-ii-s/18
Same story for the Canon 6D :http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-6d/25
@ Smitty1 - Dude why ask me? Seriously? I don't decide what DPR looks at when doing reviews, but honestly their AF testing has been lacking for a long while. Nothing to do with ME, just an observation, one that DPR themselves admit and are trying to rectify. Is that really so hard to understand?
Chaitanya S: I am still wondering why Olympus didnt use a built in flash onto the Em5 mk II when Em10 series of camera get it. Its far more convinient than having that separate unit. Also its nice to see olympus sell the grip units which helps a lot in improving the ergonomics of these fairly small Om-d series of camera.
@ Chaitanya S - Yes and so does my 7D. But maybe Olympus considers it a compromise or they can't get it as sealed as Pentax can or whatever. I think looking at the Olympus lineup and they have said themselves from memory that this was the case.
acidic: I still have an omd em5. Mk1. Any reason I should get the em10 mk2? The way I see it, I would be gaining WiFi and smaller body, but would be sacrificing weather sealing. Sound about right?
Silent shutter, better EVF, high max shutter speeds, EFCS, WiFi, smaller, likely to have AF improvements as seen in E-M5 II, I think extra fn button(s?), cheaper + smaller optional grip, bigger chunkier dials, a whole host of minor but useful software improvements.
Flash I believe is an issue with the weather sealing.
ozturert: I don't think using Sigma on Canikon is a good idea to test low-light focusing. Plus, why did you not use a 35mm lens on Canikons? I wonder how 5Ds would do with a 35mm f1.4L.Still, obviously Sony came a long way since even A6000 because A6000 is horrible in lowlight focusing. Actually, EM5 is much better than A6000 in that. A7RII is a big step forward.
@ Ozturet - What AF mode were you using? In AF-C the A6000 hangs on to PDAF well outside of its shooting envelope and was much quicker than my E-M5 (which is slow but locks on AF-S). A6000 AF-S doesn't fare so well though, but AF-C is better than E-M5 AF-S and miles better than E-M5 AF-C.
@ Smitty1 - Cool, maybe dig out all the other low light AF tests that DPR did back then while avoiding doing it for the cameras you mentioned? It has not previously been a critical part of DPR reviews until (very) recently. I know that that doesn't play well with your conspiracy theories though.
QuarryCat: unfair Test!Sigma on Nikon is slowerCanon 1.2/50 mm or even the new 1.8/50 mm are a lot faster in dark and get through -3 EV.And who shoots like this, faces in the dark?Take a good flash and Canon and you get it.The Sony guys take so hard to justify the high price Sony -but if you look at all the tests with metabones and Canon lenses - Sony is lost and years behind a DSLR - even with the better Canon lenses.
The Alpha 7 Series is good for some thinks but not at all an all rounder, nor that much better in high dynamic then 5DSR.No need to buy Sony yet... it is a hard road...
You made a funny.
Collie Camp: Seems to be a game changing camera! Good work, Sony.
But I think my Canon 6D is focusing to -3 EV already... Would have been nice to see a comparison, as the 6D is a low light AF Champ...
The 6D certainly has an impressive centre point AF in low light, it gets less exciting once you need to use off centre or wide area in my experience. One of the nice things about this (if we can get pet the bickering over lenses etc) is that this AF system and capabilities to focus should be the same over the AF area, which is also the largest game in town.
StudentPhoto: Wow, get my morning coffee and check DPR and see Sony taking over. Does anybody know what the chances are this will make it's way down to cheaper models? I just bought an A-6000 and love it but this low light focusing and eye tracking stuff would be really helpful. As a full time student i won't be able to afford an A-7r2 for a long long time, but having features like this would make learning photography so much easier.
Your A6000 already does excellent low light focussing using wide area and AF-C. It is just unfortunate that the control over AF on the A6000 is quite limited by comparison.
Actually the A6000 is very good in low light focussing. I have said for a long time that it performs best when using the same methods used here, good to see that this has been looked into this time around.
To be fair it is simply not something they tested back then.
munro harrap: Excuse me for saying, but now that I have watched the video, can somebody point out to Rishi that he is not at all comparing like for like, as he is using Sigma lenses on the DSLRs.
These give problems on Nikons as they focus in the opposite direction to the proper Nikon lenses!
In such poor light with a static subject you would probably prefer manual focus too, and this makes it even worse, as the Nikons do not like Sigma lenses overriding completely their directional arrows,
Plus to be objective, everyone knows that a 1D series Canon does better than the amateur grade 5D series focussing.........
So the A7R II needs to have better AF than the 1DX to be worth talking about, gotcha!
Stu 5: Part 1
You Said "if you're a pro or someone who shoots a lot in dim conditions, we think it's safe to say you'll be shooting primes at least some of the time…”
So I shoot professional theatre production photos in low light in various theatres. I am constantly moving around to find the best angles during the tech runs. In one theatre the productions sometimes 'play in the round’, i.e. there can be an audience on all four sides. That means during a tech run with no audience I can move around even more. If I use prime lenses I am constantly changing lenses every few seconds. I end up loosing shots because I am busy changing the lens and therefore missing the performance on stage or I have to have a series of camera bodies with different primes on each. Then I have to waste time switching from one camera to another.
That's not low light.
Stu 5: Part 2
Or I stick a 24-105mm f4 or 24-120mm f4 lens on body use a single AF point and AF-S and just get on with the job. Do I have to delete photos because they are out of focus... hardly ever. Now if I stick say a Canon 24-105mm f4 on the Sony a7R II I have slow autofocus and miss shots. If you go through the work of most professional theatre production photographers you will find the majority of the work is shot on zoom lenses because we simple do not have time to mess about changing lenses or bodies with primes on them. It is all well and good doing these low test in a studio, it is another matter doing it on a paid job. Try explaining you lost a key shot to a client because you were changing lenses and them asking you why were you not using a zoom like the last photographer we used...
Why do people think that theatre is hard to focus on? Theatre isn't low light.
Sports Dad: Lens speed. I am surprised the speed of the lens was not mentioned. Some older designs are notoriously slower than newer designs. Focus motors play a large roll too. Was this accounted for, or is the Sony getting an unfair advantage due to newer designed lenses with ultra fast focus motors designed for speed and CDAF? The A7Rii still looks incredible, but it could be those were unfair tests and credit is going to the camera instead of the Sony lenses.
Yes credit can go to the 35mm designed specifically for these cameras as well, they made a big deal about its new actuator / AF motor when it came out. However as far as 'unfair advantage' I think that is total nonsense. For one it is one of a handful of lenses designed for these cameras, people complain that there aren't enough lenses and then claim an unfair advantage because those lenses (which take time to develop for a system) might be 'newer'? Boggles the mind sometimes. I'd imagine the cheap and cheerful 28mm f2 is similarly fast, but to one stop brighter light however.
Geekapoo: I thought Sony had hyped the A7ii as having 40% better AF than the A7. Does this mean the A7Rii is like the A7ii with respect to focus capabilities?
The claim is for AF-S which is probably true in a test simulator where the 'best' of the A7R II is 40% faster than the 'best' of the A7R in order to make their claim. In the real world it is probably a fair bit faster than that and that is maing no claims on AF-C which was practically non existent in the A7R.
I think there has been a lot of confusion on this number, in some cases it will perform significantly better, best case (for A7R) 40% faster. But in other cases it is orders of magnitude faster, especially with anything relating to AF-C.