Aur: Nikon HQ
Nikon engineer: "We can increase video to 4k, add in USB 3.0 chip, give the screen tilt, make a lighter carbon frame, add.."
CEO: "no no no, that will require actual work, just add 18 shots to the buffer size and call it a day, our customers are stupid, they'll think it's all new hardware"
Nikon engineer: "But our DSLR sales have dropped by 30% in the l.."
CEO: "la la la, I can't hear you"
Most would disagree that cameras like the D810, D4S, D750, etc. are "Pathetically obsolete". Not to say 4K wouldn't have been nice, but I don't even know a single individual who shoots DSLR video, and I for one am happy they have been focusing their improvements on the photography side. I realize I do not speak for everyone's needs, but any camera being "pathetically obsolete" due to the lack of 4K is a gross exaggeration. How many people even have 4K Tv's and displays to watch the content on? Incredibly few. I can only imagine what you must think of Canon's sensors if lacking 4K video is pathetic ;).
redhed17: "It finds itself in the same class as the Canon EOS 7D Mark II"
Maybe in the marketing it is the same 'class' as the 7DII, but from the spec sheet, it matches the 70D more closely imho.
Sensor aside, and all the Nikon DX cameras have better sensors than Canon, otherwise the 7DII wipes the floor as a performance/enthusiast/Pro, whatever you want to call it, camera.
1) Build quality is the same with the sole exception of Nikon using carbon reinforced thermoplastic on the front plate, and Canon using another metal skin piece. Both cameras are a plastic body with metal plating, both are weather sealed, and both have their lens mount screwed into plastic. Neither body is built like a D300, D810, or Canon 1-series.
2) Can you point me to the objective test where the 7D2 AF, currently plagued with issues, is ahead of the D7200? Very curious to see the results. Also curious to see the tests you found objectively showing the shutter differences.
3) Disagree for obvious reasons
4) Agreed, this is still up in the air. Sometimes little features like this get changed after announcement. DPR has reported it in 2 separate locations though, presumably after talking to Nikon reps.
Other than 4 FPS and a $500 price difference, there is very little difference between the two, except for a better sensor on the D7200 & spot metering at every AF point.
Find me an industry that doesn't work like this. You are talking like Nikon is the only one doing this. *Cough* 2008 sensor technology *cough*
It matches or beats the 7D2 in most categories including build quality, but sacrifices 4 FPS for $500. Seems like a pretty reasonable trade to me. Definitely in the same class IMHO, at least from a specification perspective. The 7D2 is also plagued with AF issues.
Also, Nikon basically added everything people were asking for (huge buffer, better AF, more small features) and kept the price the same. They were definitely listening to feedback. Also the -3.0 EV at every AF point could very well make it class-leading AF.
Balooziggy: Amazing to see all the Nikon trolls watching and commenting on Canon announcements even though the camera has not even made GA yet, I wonder what they worried about? IDIOTS !!!
Nearly every negative comment both here and across other forums are Canon users or dual system users.
alexander kooistra: always surprised about the pricing, 3699 dollar retail and 3999 euro. 3999 euro is about 4580 dollar us.Look like a great cam for a specific market.
It's because there is VAT in the European pricing.
Jonathan F/2: I'm a Nikon guy, but sample pics look good to me. If I was a Canon shooter who needs high megapixels, I'd be excited. Plus who cares if it doesn't shoot faster when shooting in crop modes, you guys have a 7Dm2 for that!
Not everyone wants to buy $2000 camera with AF issues and 2008 sensor tech in addition to their $4000 camera with 2008 sensor tech just because it's lacking numerous key features of the competition which could have made it an amazing all-rounder for $3500.
xval: looks like trolls are getting organized. Canon gives new supper resolution camera which has reasonable price and many uses. "No, no,.. we want Nikon!"
People also want quality, flexible (ISO, DR) MP. The only thing it has going for it compared to a 5DM3 is all out resolution. Video spec are from the 5DM2 of 2008. No FPS increase with crop mode. No dual pixel AF. It's very much a niche camera, rather than an all-rounder like a D810.
LVegas: I just hope the base ISO DR got scale up 2.5x as well.......I doubt it though. Why can't Canon just buy Sony's sensor, the fanbase has been asking for it for years now and numerous bloggers has been banned because of it. A sad day for Canon indeed.
Confirmed by Canon that DR is the same as the 5DM3, which is means it's worse than the 6D.
Nikon better ramp up D810 production - demand is about to increase :)
AllOtherNamesTaken: DPR's interview with Canon says the DR is the same as 5DM3. Sorry folks.
Max native ISO 64005 Fps, no mention of crop mode FPS increase1/200 flash sync1080/30P max
Skip to 1:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=99NUDmVYwDM
Frame rate does not increase with crop modes.
Appears to be the same or worse as a 5DM3 in most ways except megapixels. Very disappointing, and sadly not surprising. D810 appears to be better choice in every singe way, including cost,l except all out megapixels.
DPR's interview with Canon says the DR is the same as 5DM3. Sorry folks.
AllOtherNamesTaken: These cameras would be so much more appealing with PDAF pixels (like Nikon 1-series).
Pretty much no excuse not to have PDAF built in as well these days, especially at $1000+.
@ Jan, that's obviously 100% fine, but your answers have nothing to do with PDAF vs CDAF, neither of which affects sensor image quality (which is what you say you prefer the output from).
So a Bride running toward me would not require AF-C? That's just silly. Saying you "simply do not need AF-C for weddings" is absurd, with all due respect. Every wedding photographer I know uses exclusively AF-C. Movement toward/away from the camera is especially difficult for any AF system, especially as it gets closer to the camera. That is one area PDAF if vastly superior. Also consider how many wedding shots are done at F1.2-F2.8 - that is razor thin DOF, and even the slightest movement can take an eye out of focus if the camera isn't constantly correcting for you with AF-C. How many wedding photographers do you know shooting CDAF-only, AF-S-only mirrorless? I'm betting zero.
There is no rational explanation why anyone would prefer having only CDAF as opposed to the option of both CDAF & PDAF, all else being equal.
Pretty much every sport, BIF, wedding, etc. photographer would strongly disagree with you that CDAF has anywhere near the the tracking performance of PDAF. It's nowhere close yet. CDAF is a guess and check algorithm in it's simplest form, PDAF can calculate which direction and how far to move lens elements in a predictive fashion. Simply by design it's far superior for action.
These cameras would be so much more appealing with PDAF pixels (like Nikon 1-series).
So where is Canon's service advisory?
mironv: What a waste of R&D founds if they worked at competing FP lens to Canon DO why o why they bring 300mm not 400mmf4 FP lens
30% shorter, 42% lighter, how is that not desirable? Hell, it went from requiring a tripod collar to not needing one at all and extremely hand holdable. Imagine how much more easily this can be used at zoos or events than the outgoing 300/4 which required excellent support or very fast shutter speeds. This is a very welcome size/weight reduction. The price is *extremely* reasonable as well, all things considered - many were expecting $2500.
Canon's 400/4 DO is $6,500 and weighs four times as much. VERY few people would be interested in that compared to an ultra light/compact $1,999 300/4 VR that countless people have been asking for for years and years now.
30% smaller and 1.5 lbs lighter than the outgoing model, and the worlds lights 300mm F4 prime is hardly a "waste of R&D". It's something that has far exceeded most people's expectations.
Nikon is going to sell truckloads of these.