Menneisyys: "Unfortunately for mobile photography enthusiasts the Nokia representatives would not comment on whether we can expect Nokia 808 camera technology in a Windows 8 phone any time soon."
That's bad news. That's what I've been waiting for - a 41 Mpixel monster with OIS and, hopefully, 1080p60 / stereo Rich recording. Or even 4K, even if "only" at 15-20 fps.
"808 was announced much later 2009 and at that moment Nokia and more others were using Sony sensors in their flagships"
According to some interviews with Nokia folks, they've been working on, together with Toshi, the PV technology since 2007. Back then, Sony definitely wasn't the best sensor manufacturer.
Jostian: If there's no Xenon flash then they are not serious about the imaging prospects of the phone... The N8 and PureView 808 have Xenon and the results speak for themselves, there is no good reason for removing the Xenon flash, especially if touting the imaging capabilities of the phone, No Nokia lost the plot here seriously, they can 'market speak' all the other specs all they want, but an LED is NOT an option for photography in low light, it merely helps with video, but is useless for photography... Nokia, shooting themselves in the foot again and not knowing why its sore!!!
Dear menneisyss think you are a bit confused and the only person in the world who thinks a LED flash is better than a Xenon flash... there is no way that the 920 with its LED can take better photos than a Xenon equipped phone, search the web there a many many examples showing the difference in IQ between LED and Xenon."
Of course I don't think so. I'm sorry the 925 doesn't have a xenon flash like the 808 did. However, even with it "only" having a LED flash, the OIS, the fast lens and Nokia's traditional excellence in photo hardware (the Nokia N95 was, for example, two years ahead its time, compared to, say, iPhones) makes it by far the best low-light camera when you can't use a flash.
"No Nokia lost the plot here seriously, they can 'market speak' all the other specs all they want, but an LED is NOT an option for photography in low light, it merely helps with video, but is useless for photography."
It's still by far the best camera phone in low light. Even if it's "useless for photography", as you state. "The best camera is always the one with you" - and if it's the 925, then, at least you can get a much better low-light shot than with anything else on the market right now.
" but is suspect that at time Nokia gone for other sensor supplier (due to unique size and spec of sensor) "
The 808's sensor has been manufactured by Toshiba and they (NOkia + Toshi) have been working on the sensor + camera for years, that is, before Sony became (around 2009) the Nr. 1. in the sensor business.
"Unfortunately for mobile photography enthusiasts the Nokia representatives would not comment on whether we can expect Nokia 808 camera technology in a Windows 8 phone any time soon."
CameraLabTester: Nokia trying to be a camera maker...
Try to improve your Jurassic telco first, dudes!
Tsk tsk tsk...
Actually, Nokia has always produced the best cameraphones. The cameras of their models have always been better than competing products of the same time.
For example, back in 2007, could you compare the camera of the original iPhone to that of the Nokia N95? Nope, not even that of the iPhone 3G! It was only the 2009 iPhone 3GS that could match the early 2007 N95.
CyberAngel: Marvellous!I would still prefer 808+OIS in a new Lumia...
It'll surely come. They too know there's a big demand for such a model.
rb59020: No f1.4 lens, no 4k video? No way!
"wait for 1-2 days from now and check back later.Now it still very expensive"
You mean 4K recording? You may have meant years. In, say, two years from now there surely will be 4Kp30-capable consumer-priced (not 4000+ US$ ones) cameras. But definitely not now and no one should expect any "cheap" 4K camera in the near future.
tkbslc: 4k sounds cool and all, but what am I going to watch it on?
"Apple monitors. The current 2560*1600 is already being replaced by 4K monitors"
There isn't a single Apple monitor with 4K resolution, unfortunately. And there won't be for at least a year for the following reasons:
- the only Full HD MBP model, the 17" one, is discontinued. There, therefore, won't be a retina (4K) model.
- the new iMac has just been released, which means we need to wait at least a year for a Retina-enabled new model.
Ausphoto2011: Sucks to be anyone who bought the EF mount 2.5k first version...This is what they should have started with in the first place.
"This is what they should have started with in the first place."
The (comparatively cheap) technology just wasn't available back then. 4K capture at 30p requires very expensive chipsets - no wonder consumer-priced products (the GoPro 3 Black Edition) only captures at 12/15 fps.
Dan Tong: By Dan Tong (2 min ago)
While the NEX series offers close to full control in video mode, for my uses, the lack of touch screen control (for video use) is a strong negative. If there was an app that allowed full remote control using a smartphone, or tablet, including touch screen functions, that would be a mitigating factor. Also I'm not crazy about Sony's interfaces and much prefer Canon's.
Any information about the overheating problem with this new NEX-6 as reported with some older NEX models when doing long video shoots?
For the reasons above the Nex-5R comes closer to meeting my needs, even though it lacks a built in EVF (optional add on is available), so I'm anxiously waiting for a full review of the 5R, as well as the Panasonic GH3, which at this point sounds like a far better camera for video applications.
"Any information about the overheating problem with this new NEX-6 as reported with some older NEX models when doing long video shoots?"
The NEX6 folks here at the DPR NEX forum state there's no overheating with the NEX6.
However, the video quality, moire-wise, isn't exactly up to the Panasonic GH1/2/3 level. That is, I wouldn't shoot video with this camera where artifacting-free image is a must. Get a separate high-quality prosumer video camera like the Canon VIXIA HF G20 for quality video shoots.
Cy Cheze: Sony, Please: fewer NEX bodies, more NEX lenses. As for the menus and interfaces, pick the design that time-tests prove can be mastered and utilized fastest by teams that mix phone users, photographers, geeks, and klutzes. Deep, labyrinthine menus are a killer. The only thing missing in the somewhat redundant offering of bodies is a version less prone to overheating in video mode.
"Sony, Please: fewer NEX bodies, more NEX lenses."
As long as they're catering for both the budget and prosumer market, IMHO having four (soon five) distinct NEX lines (3x, 5x, 6x, 7x, soon 9x) is great. Not everyone needs an EVF - for them, the 6x/ 7x would be an overkill. By offering the 3x series with the same IQ, the same (for a kit lens) great 16-50 kit lens and at a much friendlier price is definitely a plus.
Pablo4: Still no mirrorless with IBIS... :< If only Olympus didn't have such small and bad sensors, everything would be fine... But with the current offerings, SONY, SAMSUNG, NIKON, PANASONIC... all of them tell us, they don't care bout our legacy lenses :<
" If only Olympus didn't have such small and bad sensors, everything would be fine... "
As has been mentioned, the OM-5's sensor is great, unlike those of previous Oly models. So is its IBIS.
optongo525: I am sure some people will like this, but Cannon missed the point: with digital sensor technology, the extra reflection optics will be obsolete like the film. How small can you make those mirrors? Certainly not smaller than the sensor. Mirrorless is definitely the way to go. Look at Kodak and Fujifilm, be careful Cannon (and Nikon).
"I am sure some people will like this, but Cannon missed the point: with digital sensor technology, the extra reflection optics will be obsolete like the film. "
Some time in the future, yes. As soon as sensor-based AF becomes as reliable and fast as phase AF. (Sony's hybrid SLT isn't the way to go IMHO).
Dennis: Just to compare with the Olympus E-420 (mentioned often here) one might check this out:
...and Olympus OM-D E-M5:
And also add that those two Oly cameras are (m)43 "only", not APS-C.
Marvol: I don't think I've seen anybody explain why you shouldn't just get the NEX 3N and stick the 20mm pancake on.
The 3N comes with the 16-50mm lens for around £400. Sell the lens and fetch a decent price for it (£75 to £100). Buy the 20mm for around £280, the combo will cost you a grand total of £680 max.
Both have: RAW,1080p 25 & 50p video, 4 fps max, built-in flash.
+s of the NEX: flipout LCD screen, 2x battery life, 1/4000s v 1/2000s, at least £300 cheaper. with 20mm pancake it's lighter than the Coolpix (!): 280 g v 299g (maybe this excludes the battery; regardless, the difference is not big either way). NEX-3N is 110mm x 62mm x 35 mm (55 mm with the 20mm lens); Coolpix A: 111mm x 64mm x 40mm. I also call this marginal.
+s of the A: higher screen resolution, hotshoe, ISO 25600 (v 16000) and more customisable.
"Both have: RAW,1080p 25 & 50p video, 4 fps max, built-in flash."
Unfortunately, the entry-level NEX-3 series has never been able to deliver 50p/60p, only i - not to jeopardize the sales of the 5/6/7 series. (Neither can the 3N)
camcom12: Looks like a great improvement over the previous model. Just got an S100 on deep discount though. A very nice cam also except for operational speed. Maybe the Nikon will be faster.Aftermarket finger grips are available for these pocket cams and they work wonderfully.
"Looks like a great improvement over the previous model. Just got an S100 on deep discount though. A very nice cam also except for operational speed. Maybe the Nikon will be faster."
Nikon's P3x0 series has always been pretty responsive and, in this regard, pleasure to shoot with (unlike with, say, the Canon G1X). Surely the P330 won't be an exception.
Lucas_: Fine looking camera, but with the RX100 at just roughly $80.00 more, it's becoming very hard to be a pocket camera!
"RX100 appears to be selling for ~$650, while the P330 is expected to initially list for $379."
It'll drop in price VERY quickly, as was the case with earlier P3x0 models.
cgarrard: $1,100 for the Nikon A? I was liking a lot about the specs till I read that part.... um whoa. Guess Nikon is going for those who like the RX1 but not the price, but still... The Ricoh GRD IV is 28mm fixed, with really good image quality for less than half that price.
The P330 looks appealing, nice zoom range, bright aperture, decent sized sensor (I'm a fan of the 1 1/7" sized sensors), and much better price as well I'm sure.
"$1,100 for the Nikon A? I was liking a lot about the specs till I read that part.... um whoa."
Hope it'll drop in price as quickly as, say, the P3x0 series of Nikon, making them really cheap, given their capabilities.
stealthhacker: why the fn button is placed on the front surface?40mm thickness, better than x100, not as thin as rx100...the war on large-sensor compact rises...
"why the fn button is placed on the front surface?"
Nikon's latest practice - they've done the same to the P330 too.