ThatCamFan: Seeing the noise performance, all I can say is OUCH, Canon is still so far behind.
the 6D also had pretty bad shadows
jrkliny: I only wish that we had some controlled studio shots with other cameras for comparison. Stand alone snapshots on the web are all but worthless unless there is a major issue.
"Nothing personal, just wondering why people keep buying these is all?"
for the vast majority: it's called Canon.for the minority: already being in the Canon system and/or wanting to get some pearls like the 10-18, which is by far the best-valued UWA offer right now
Everlast66: That's great, so DPR and all other 4 users will be able to upgrade ...
"The influx of people in the Samsung forums on these boards, all NX1 related, is quite astounding. I have been there for several years and the new message rate is much higher now. Almost all NX1 related."
It's pretty understandable. Cameras before the NX1 (and, to a lesser degree, the NX500) weren't really engaging. With the latest crop, even die-hard Fuji enthusiasts like me are considering getting into the Samsung system (while also keeping our Fuji gear, of course).
VHS was popular because porn distributors didn't have to pay Sony to license it. And other hard makers could make the system without paying Sony.
Beta remained the standard for broadcast video cameras+players for years, like until solid state recording became wide spread.
Home Betamax != broadcast Beta systems. They have little to do with each other (except for the name).
KonstantinosK: "...they've garnered plenty of attention since then...". Really?
Mostly because of the sensor issues? ;)
Joking aside: because, after all, it's Canon. Not for us enthusiasts looking for the absolutely best IQ but for the masses, it's THE Camera Company.
Thematic: Can any current fujifilm users confirm that picture quality will improve by using capture one pro to develop the raw files?
I currently own a Sony rx1 and my sister wants something similar but cheaper. I was thinking about this or the x100t for her... But these sample pictures are very poor. Skin for example.
Thanks for the help.
It does. See for example my very thorough RAW developer comparisons here in the X forums.
Peiasdf: Confusing lineup. This is a X-E series with the EVF at the center instead of the corner so is it a step up from X-E or runs alongside it? It seems Fiji is running two lines of APS-C mirrorless/EVIL cameras: X-Pro, X-E, X-M and X-T1, X-T10, X-A
"I don't expect Fuji to kill off the X-E series.Fuji is playing it smart."
Well, their killing the X-E2 updates is not very convincing. I'd bet they'll kill the entire rangefinder range (except for the Pro, of course) because Average Joes prefer DSLR-bodied cameras.
(I'd too prefer a rangefinder body. I'm sick of all these wannabe-DSLR-MILC's.)
The Sage Knows: From First Impressions, “Another new and welcomed addition to the X-T10 is front and rear control dials that can be clicked inward.”
Only welcomed if it isn't going to be prone to suddenly switch from shutter speed selection to some other function like AF size adjustment because I pressed just a little too hard while setting shutter speed - something I might do in the hurry to shoot a changing scene. Then this new feature would quickly become a nuisance.
Dunno - on the X-E1, I've never had accidental rear dial clicks (aperture setting vs. zoomed-in view for MF). I don't think the X-T10 is worse.
The Straw Man: This will easily be the most loved/hated camera of 2015. 2400+ comments in a few hours. Amazing considering most here will not buy it. Can't wait to see what happens when the 4k 5dmkIV is announced.
IQ looks pretty awesome. Don't get the complaints about high ISO, anyone really planning on shooting street at night with a 50mp camera? It's not hard to bracket and a couple clicks in LR6 does the rest.
"And again do you want 180 pictures of 50MP in size? You are looking at an extremely specialized application. "
(Multi-)gigapixel panos. Done by a lot of people.
princecody: What's the point of this camera when you have the Nikon D810 & Sony A7r? Is Canon just saying mine is bigger than yours?
"What's the point of this camera when you have the Nikon D810 & Sony A7r? Is Canon just saying mine is bigger than yours?"
The A7r is severely flawed in many respects. Most importantly, compressed RAW's.
Deardorff: Still can't match Nikon for Dynamic Range. What are you Canon engineers doing? As for "more DR is useful for people who can't expose their shots correctly in the first place" - those who can do so benefit from the files in many ways. Shooting one off productions/sports/wildlife and having the extra leeway in the shadows is more than welcome. Even more so in rapidly changing light conditions - like a player running in and out of shadow areas.
"Is this a good example of people pointing out DR deficiencies and ignoring other things that the engineers are doing?"
No it isn't. A lot of us have considered these new beasts as some MF-alikes (resolution beasts). However, the dynamic range just sucks compared to the competition. And, at least when properly shooting panos, as good dynamic range as possible is a must.
Meh, these new 2015 Canon cameras can't even match the DR of the 16 Mpixel X-Trans Fuji sensors, all using the same late 2011 Sony tech...
"Bracketing with this camera will give you far better results than if "didn't bother with AE bracketing and subsequent HDR stitching" is a very casual holiday type of photography, unless you are pressing in a dynamic condition."
Sure I know. Nevertheless, when you can get acceptable results with shadow pushing on cameras with Sony / Toshiba (see Nikon) sensors, you can save a great deal of time / shutter activation count/ effort by not using bracketing.
I'd too bracket if the shadows of my Fuji X-Trans RAW's weren't that pushable at base ISO. They are - and they do deliver excellent pushed shadows, saving me a lot of time / effort / camera amortization when shooting panos.
Just an example: I generally shoot 180 shots for a complete shpere pano with a 41mm equiv lens (the Fuji 27mm one). With bracketing, that'd be (at least) 360 shots. There is quite a bit of difference.
Menneisyys: Ouch. DR sucks. I won't be getting this for some serious (read: massive shadow pushing) panorama shooting, I'm sure. 2-3EV of pushing is, in many cases, just insufficient.
Thanks, I've missed them. Will try to push the shadows of the one at http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_eos_5ds_r/photos/canon_eos_5ds_r_33.cr2 (the online JPEG conversions, converted by the bloggers, are nothing to write home about, DR-wise.)
"It's not hard to bracket and a couple clicks in LR6 does the rest."
With this camera, you indeed must AE bracket to achieve good DR. With the current crop of (better) Sony / Samsung / Nikon cameras (and all X-Trans Fuji ones), you can just push the shadows very hard to do almost the same. In my panos of late (shot with a Fuji), I didn't bother with AE bracketing and subsequent HDR stitching (or using a pano stitcher app with HDR stitching capabilities) - shadow pushing is perfectly usable on those models. Unlike, regrettably, on these Canons.
You mean the JPEG ones at http://www.photographyblog.com/previews/canon_eos_5ds_r_photos/ ? (That's their only article of their own, in addition to the pretty shallow and information-void preview.)
Ouch. DR sucks. I won't be getting this for some serious (read: massive shadow pushing) panorama shooting, I'm sure. 2-3EV of pushing is, in many cases, just insufficient.
WadeMedia: Now they need an Apple phone that shoots raw. They are making others look better.
"You're right, they're not true RAW images, but they're certainly not "completely useless"."
Of course they aren't. it's just that you can't get rid of the, regretfully, pretty strong NR in those files - unlike with both true RAW (vanilla Lollipop models and some other) and almost-RAW (S805-based Note4's etc) files.
ArtAlt: I think you mean Adobe, not Apple, right?
Nope, it's Apple's own RAW module. It's in the base OS and is updated automatically, which can also be seen in the App Store.app app.
I've posted an update log of my Mac (see the second entry):
BiondoPhoto: Few points to consider ...
1. Retouching _ 50mp res will simply make it easier to path objects that are either small or far away or part of a busy set with lots going on, especially if the camera is pulled back.
2. Hi ISO / Dynamic Range _ Studio / Commercial photogs light stuff, or at least shoot in an ideal lighting situation. Not because we have to in order to make the sensor work out, but because that is just what we do as pros. Esp.if you "grew up" shooting film.
3. Lenses _ Yes sharp lenses are a must, but overly sharp lenses / images are not always desirable especially in subject matter such as beauty, or in my case food & bev. I don't really want to see the texture of the meat on a microscopic level, but my client may need to crop into the frame or run a billboard, in which case the images will hold up nicely.
4. Low Pass Filter _ the higher the MP count, the weaker the AA filter can and will be in theory, ergo the same "better" lenses will now become sharper in essence.
"2. Hi ISO / Dynamic Range _ Studio / Commercial photogs light stuff, or at least shoot in an ideal lighting situation. Not because we have to in order to make the sensor work out, but because that is just what we do as pros. Esp.if you "grew up" shooting film."
You forget landscape photography and, more importantly, (proper = fully locked) panorama shooting. There, huge DR reserves (sometimes even +6EV shadow pushing) are a must.
ML66: AE Bracketing only 3 frames? I may hope for 5 frames!
But at least it's proper bracketing (+/-3), not the likes of Fujifilm with its absolutely useless +1/-1EV max. bracketing...