inevitable crafts studio: i use 'microsofts free photosynth app, best pano app ever used
2024x1024 though :)
BTW, this is a problem with Photosynth on all supported mobile platforms; that is, on Windows Phone 8 too. There, it produces equally low-resolution output.
All in all, I wouldn't myself use Photosynth for anything that requires high(er) resolution. There are much better choices: DMD, Autostitch and, of course, the sweep pano mode of the iPhones. (The usual warnings apply to all non-5s iPhones, though, because of the locked exposure.)
"Having used quite a few of the current pano apps I cannot quite agree with you on Photosynth being the best."
Agreed. I've very carefully tested the available iOS / WP / Android pano apps and found the following: while Photosynth has pretty good stitching (for a non-sweep stitcher) and has significantly better exposure compensation / leveling than, say, the otehrwise excellent DMD Panorama or Cycloramic, it's REALLY let down by its REALLY bad output resolution.
For example, my Photosynth test shot at http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/9438886492/sizes/o/in/set-72157634926285679/ has the resolution of 4096 x 753 only, while, according to my tests, the top two apps, DMD and AutoStitch Panorama produce much higher-res (and more detailed) results. For example, the latter is 10544 x 1706. (Link to a pano showing the same subject as Photosynth above: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/9442549973/in/set-72157634926285679 )
David Hurt: Hmmm . . I use a Samsung Galaxy S4 - iFonez do absolutely NOTHING for me, nor does Anything Apple/Frapple makes.
Well, actually, it anything newer iPhone models are exceptionally good at, is their built-in sweep panorama mode, particularly that of the 5s. It's probably only the Note 3 and the GS4 that they can't beat. They're, however, significantly better than most other phones in this regard.
Menneisyys: My complaints with this gadget are as follows:
- what about making a Universal Bluetooth version? I have several phones (incl. both iOS and Android ones) and it's highly possible I'll switch to Android because of Apple's lack of innovation. However, TODAY, I'd like to shoot with my 5/5s.
- what about making a cradle capable of housing iPhones in their case? I've got my iPhone 5 in the OtterBox Defender case and the 5s in the OtterBox Commuter and wouldn't want to take the phones away from their cases.
"I have to laugh at your Lightning comment; seems the USB group is coming out with yet another interface spec to compete with Lightning's ease of insertion design. Might arrive in 2016. By then, there will probably be another half a billion iOS devices using Lightning on the market."
I've explicitly spoken of HDMI / VGA output, not the ease of insertion. Of course I know the latter is far superior with Lightning - this is why I don't use microUSB on my Nexus7.2013 for recharging but my Qi charger. Too bad Lightning doesn't excel at HDMI / VGA output - on the contrary.This is what makes the the Lightning connector inferior to SlimPort WRT video output: lag (around 80ms) and 900p true resolution. Some articles explaining this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=18447419&postcount=2 (see the ISO12233 framegrabs)
"Check out this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBXbgFeEYHo) and then go back and tell me which one of iPhone 5S and Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is the joke when it comes to 1280x720 120 fps. It seems you are misinformed."
OK, you were indeed right - it's the 1080p60 mode of the Note3 that is excellent, not the 720p120 one.
Nevertheless, this doesn't make the iPhone 5s record true HD in 720p120 mode - the sensor output it records is half of the output file resolution, that is, 640*360.
schorscho: I do see quite a lot of stitching and blending errors. Nevertheless a great innovation!
Much-much fewer than with handheld shooting - see my flickr links below. I've made tons of spheres on iOS devices for my iPhone photography articles - it's simply not possible to make anything remotely comparable one if you shoot handheld.
(cont'd from above)
- truly stereo speakers on iPads,- f.lux (possible even on non-rooted Android devices)- decent, high-quality HDMI output via SlimPort (not the Lightning lagging and lower-quality joke),- Wacom support etc.
These are painfully missing from current iDevices (and iOS7), while they're all implemented by Android / WP devices. (Not all of them in a single device, of course. For example, the cheap Nexus 7 2013 "only" has Qi, truly stereo speakers, full Bluetooth support, f.lux-alikes, USB OTG and decent, high-quality HDMI output via SlimPort of the list. Still, it'd be GREAT to have any / all of them the at least 80% more expensive iPads / iPad Mini Retinas.)
"I don't understand your "lack of innovation" statement; perhaps your idea of innovation and Apple's diverged somewhere along the way. I'm an engineer and I certainly see Apple innovating. "
Yes, surely they're bumping the specs and also introducing some great features (for example, the fingerprint) now and then. It's just that competing operating systems have a lot more kick-ass features. Just some of these proved and highly useful features:
- Qi charging,- true slow-mo videos (not the standard-definition, 640*360 120p joke the 5s has - the Samsung Note 3 and the LG G2 both have true 1920*1080 60p and the Sammy has true 1280*720 120p)- 4K video recording (as in the Samsung Note 3),- stereo audio recording (also in videos),- wider-angle lens (particularly in video),- Xenon flash,- OIS,- USB OTG,- memory card slot,- full, standardized Bluetooth support incl. OBEX file transfer,- windowed OS on iPads (as on everything with a pen on Samsungs),
Thanks. I'll wait, then. I'd prefer a universally usable gadget - not one with only compatible with some iPhone and iPod touch models, and not even when in a case.
JordanAT: So what is the effective resolution of the resulting image, and is there/will there be a way to view this on a PC? Is there a standard format which this conforms to.
I ask because I'm often in archtectural structures where having a view like this would be a great memory tool to go along with the dozens/hundreds of detailed photos I take. But looking at the webpage and samples, it seems like it's little more than a low resolution gimmick.
The homepage of Motrr lists DMD Panorama as a third-party app. The non-sphere HD mode (must be purchased via IAP) is comparatively high-resolution. For example, the shot I've published at http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/9436765759/sizes/o/in/set-72157634934114218/ has the resolution of 8841 x 1300 px. It's still lower than the 10800 x 2200...2400 of the iPhone 5/5s/5c's stock Camera's pano mode (let alone that of the GS4/Note 3) but is significantnly better than most other iOS pano apps - and, for that matter, that of the stock Android camera app or that of the LG G2.
Currently, the app only lists the old 30-pin version as compatible; that is, it's only compatible with pre-2012 iDevices (iPhone 3gs/4/4s, iPod touch 4g), not with the 5+ ones. Dunno if it's just a mistake and it already supports the BT one too.
If DMD Panorama will indeed support it in its HD mode, then, I'd say it'll have acceptable resolution. Again, not as high as that of Samsung's phones.
My complaints with this gadget are as follows:
richardrap: I find it a bit ridiculous all those adapters and gimmicks sold to enhance the iphone or androïd phones. At the end much more cumbersome and costly then any good compact cams - and still you get low quality highly modified pictures out of a micro sensor!
Show me a pocket cam with pretty much flawless non-sphere in-camera sweep pano, let alone true 360-degree spheres.
Indeed MUCH better than existing sphere apps for iOS when operated handheld.
Some examples I've made for my iOS Panorama Bible on my iPhone 5, back this July, in and in front of the main church of Tampere, Finland; all handheld, of course.
Indoors:360 Panorama: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/9439539840/in/set-72157634934114218
AutoStitch Panorama (using max quality):http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/9445337694/in/set-72157634934859658
AutoStitch Panorama (using default settings):
As you can see, all these shots are marred by stitching and other artifacts. Certainly much worse than those of this gadget.
M Jesper: USB2.0 and 4MB/s write speed, what are they smoking?
This thing seems like a redundant middleman. There are better ways for whatever people think this will help them with, even if it must be wireless, but i prefer using devices that simply take sd or micro-sd in the first place.
"Apple is treating photographers with complete contempt."
Also add the lack of almost all manual settings not only in the stock Camera app, but also even in the API. This is why there are no true manual setting apps for iOS, unlike for Nokia's Windows Phone 8 dialect, where even manual focus is possible, in addition to all the other manual settings.
More On: Rather than vent at Sandisk etc, how about pointing the finger at Apple?
If IOS had a mature OS with proper file management, including read/write access to portable media and a shared storage locker (common to all Apps), all this would be easy sailing.
As it is, it's a complete and utter pain in the ass and Apple shows no sign whatsover of moving forward.
In spite of this expect future reviews of Apple portables to spend most of their word counts analyzing the icon drop shadows.
Thye'll NEVER add official support for freely accessible external file systems over the Camera Connection Kit. That'd mean an end to their lucrative additional storage business ($100 / doubling), at least with people willing to use an external dongle / card reader connected via the CCK.
The underlying support, however, is there. Even symlinks can be used via the CCK on jailbroken non-iPhone/iPod touch devices - see for example http://www.iphonelife.com/blog/87/tutorial-how-you-can-use-your-memory-card-appstore-apps-external-ipad-storage-memory
shaocaholica: Hope this will push Apple to do the same.
They won't. Their API has always been poor and only little changes / improvements have been made. 7.1 won't bring any new camera API feature else.
Also, don't hold your breath - iDevices are just not meant for us serious photog's / geeks.
Shamael: so, I suppose that tablets of the future will have something that one can call "cameras"
Hope so... and let's also hope Google also puts better cameras on their tablets... the one on the N7.2 is a bad joke.
Not even Samsung puts the best cameras on their flagship tablets. While they include inherently better cameras there than Google, it's still falls short of their top mobile phone cameras (GS4, Note 3); for example, the one in the Note 10.1" 2014 doesn't support 1080p60/4K video recording or dual recording/shooting. But, at least, it supports panorama, which is just great on the flagship Android products.
In the latter regard, they're certainly better than Apple, who refuse to include their (also absolutely excellent) pano mode on iPads. Which is a pity.
jcmarfilph: Why would somebody waste time and resource in using a mediocre camera phone and a book just to get half-decent shot at best? I'd rather spend my money on a decent compact and don't even need to buy book on how to make decent shot from it.
Because it's always with you, unlike even the smallest compact?
While I'm certainly aware of the problems of the iPhone, in those moments it's still good to have it around.
jkoch2: Android can't handle AVCHD, SFAIK. RAW would choke small processors.
"Android can't handle AVCHD, SFAIK. RAW would choke small processors."
Wrong. AVCHD is a file format. You may have meant H.264, which is the encoding itself.
Which is done by Android (more specifically, the underlying SoC) just fine. Android (again, the SoC - in this case, the Snapdragon 800) doesn't even have problems with encoding 4Kp30 H.264 video streams (in the Note 3), let alone less demanding streams (1080p60, 1080p30, 720p120 etc.).
BTW, recording to AVCHD containers isn't supported / used by any smartphone OS right now. All of them record into MOV / MP4 / M4V containers.
paulbysea: As per usual the media only think about Apple. What about an article about apps for Android Tablets, The Nexus 7 2 has a better screen than any apple product, which suggest it would be better suited to photographers than over priced apple products.
"The Nexus 7 2 has a better screen than any apple product"
While I'm in no way an Apple fanboy, I don't think you're right. It IS more contrasty, yes. However, I find my iPad 3/4's screen more pleasuring to look at than that of my N7 2013. (I have all of them before you ask.)
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